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Post by montreal on Apr 18, 2007 1:42:49 GMT -5
www.habprospects.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=54Emelin's team Lada is having major money problems again and could be expelled from the RSL. There are reports from the Russian media that Emelin might come to the Habs training camp this fall, if Lada can't find the money to pay their players and build a new rink, then Emelin's contract with Lada will be void and the team will be out of the RSL. A similar situation happend last year with Grabovski and Dynamo as he wasn't paid for months by his team, thus his contract became void.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2007 5:52:49 GMT -5
Praise Jebus!!!
Fold! Fold! Fold! Fold! *starts pounding on table* Everyone in unison, now. Fold! Fold! Fold!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 10:56:55 GMT -5
Jebus H. Rice has saved us all...I guess.
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Post by oldhabsfan on Apr 18, 2007 11:12:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure we're in the clear yet. I expect there are several Russian teams that could use a good defenceman. I guess a lot will depend on the level of pay they might offer, and how much confidence Emelin has in his abilities and how much he is willing to gamble on future high-earning years in the NHL. I'm assuming that the Canadiens are limited in the amount we can offer a rookie. The waiver rules in the new CBA must be a stumbling block to a two-way contract and I think the implication is that for Emelin it's the NHL or the RSL; I doubt he would be willing to consider the AHL unless financial weakness is becoming widespread in the RSL.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2007 12:42:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure we're in the clear yet. I expect there are several Russian teams that could use a good defenceman. I guess a lot will depend on the level of pay they might offer, and how much confidence Emelin has in his abilities and how much he is willing to gamble on future high-earning years in the NHL. I'm assuming that the Canadiens are limited in the amount we can offer a rookie. The waiver rules in the new CBA must be a stumbling block to a two-way contract and I think the implication is that for Emelin it's the NHL or the RSL; I doubt he would be willing to consider the AHL unless financial weakness is becoming widespread in the RSL. That's fine ... the CBA allows rookies to have bonus laden contracts. If he comes over, no one wants him in the AHL anyway. Any person with a pulse is better than what we have back there now ...  |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 18, 2007 12:58:56 GMT -5
he has to look at the bigger picture, the upside of money is bigger here and living here is much better than there where it is basically third world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 13:04:33 GMT -5
Cultural change + language change = scary.
Even if the money is better, how good is his English? Suppose Markov and Kovalev will help him, though.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 18, 2007 14:30:27 GMT -5
from what i saw of him at the world juniors almost a year and a half ago he will be able to stepin and play on the big club. he already plays north american style, he will get 100 PIM's and probably be a plus player on this team in his first season. he's pretty nasty in the corners, i loved watching him.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2007 19:04:42 GMT -5
he has to look at the bigger picture, the upside of money is bigger here and living here is much better than there where it is basically third world. Home is where the heart is .... and Markov (and I bet alot of other Russians) would disagree that living here is better. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 18, 2007 19:49:08 GMT -5
i guess if being paid by the mafia, living in a country where the economy is in a shambles and being a professional athlete but not playing in the best league in the world does it for him then frankly he was a wasted draft pick. most REAL athletes want to play with and against the best.
google this: most desirable countries to live in the world, let me know if russia is ahead of canada will ya.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 18, 2007 22:14:00 GMT -5
i guess if being paid by the mafia, living in a country where the economy is in a shambles and being a professional athlete but not playing in the best league in the world does it for him then frankly he was a wasted draft pick. most REAL athletes want to play with and against the best. google this: most desirable countries to live in the world, let me know if russia is ahead of canada will ya. Most desirable by whom? Russians? Recently there was a survey that listed Vancouver as the third most desirable city to live in the world. I wouldn't want to live there. So again desirable by whose standards? St. John's wasn't even in the survey. So how can they claim "the world" when not every city was in the survey. No pollution, Very low crime, friendliest province ... all depends on the standards you use. Andrei Markov has said time and time again, his heart is in Russia. He'd say Russia is the nicest place in the world to live. Quebeckers would say Quebec. You would say Vancouver. You can take the man out of the (insert refernece) but you can't take the (insert reference) out of the man. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 19, 2007 0:51:49 GMT -5
Cultural change + language change = scary. Even if the money is better, how good is his English? Suppose Markov and Kovalev will help him, though. nothing is really ever that difficult when you're a pro athlete, making a million/year, having everyone do everything for you, and some of them even live with an older player until they're adjusted. give me a million/year, fame and playing a sport for a living and i'd move to antarctica! all the best russian players have been doing it for over 15 years, my buddy whose a player agent said that although the money is good over there because of zero taxes it is harder to live there as things are still very behind us in a lot of ways third world. it is his home, and everyone loves their home, but i dont know any athlete that doesn't want to play against and with the best, why play a sport if you don't want to be at that level. even worse is if you are at that level and you play in a lesser league for some weak reason. in my opinion him or any other player that stays over there because the money is similar is a pussy that doesn't have any confidence in his ability. if he has a dying father, or a sick mother, or something like that i understand, but the language barrier and foreign country thing doesn't stick, athletes in every sport have been doing it for decades. i hope to see both of them in hamilton next season. at least it looks like valentenko will be. |
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Post by HABsurd on Apr 19, 2007 5:03:00 GMT -5
he has to look at the bigger picture, the upside of money is bigger here and living here is much better than there where it is basically third world. Home is where the heart is .... and Markov (and I bet alot of other Russians) would disagree that living here is better. It really depends where you are in Russia. I think you would be surprised how thoroughly modern Moscow actually is. If you have money, life can be very good indeed and certainly not inferior, and in many ways superior, to many North American cities. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2007 9:45:29 GMT -5
Home is where the heart is .... and Markov (and I bet alot of other Russians) would disagree that living here is better. It really depends where you are in Russia. I think you would be surprised how thoroughly modern Moscow actually is. If you have money, life can be very good indeed and certainly not inferior, and in many ways superior, to many North American cities. I don't doubt it for an instant. There are many slums over here in our cities ... that would make you believe you were in a war zone or third world. And conversely, I bet cities like Moscow, Odessa, St. Petersburgh, and Kiev (ok that isnt Russia technically) all have amazing aspects to them that put them on par with many of our cities. I agree that pro-athletes want to play with the best. But not all want to leave home; the greatest hockey player ever produced by Newfoundland never left the island, and many bar-stool conversations center on how he would have fared in the NHL. Whenever the Baby leafs needed an emergency call-up he would get the call, played something like 30 games in the AHL and got 20 points. (and thats without training with them, or practicing, or actively trying to stay in game shape). He doesn't regret his decision, so I am told. He just wanted to stay home (I guess). EDIT: His name is Andy Sullivan. He played for them in 1993-94 until 1995-96 (he was 33 when he played his first game with them) |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 19, 2007 12:45:27 GMT -5
to that i say that andy sullivan is also a pussy, he wouldn't leave home to play in the best league in the world, why was he afraid of being homesick?
that isn't any different than a kid getting offered a full ride scholarship to a US university but staying at home in canada because he was afraid he'd miss his mommy.
if emelin doesn't come over here because he doesn't want to leave home as an early 20's stud hockey player then it's probably better that he'd stay there, he wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of playing in montreal.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 19, 2007 12:48:16 GMT -5
Home is where the heart is .... and Markov (and I bet alot of other Russians) would disagree that living here is better. It really depends where you are in Russia. I think you would be surprised how thoroughly modern Moscow actually is. If you have money, life can be very good indeed and certainly not inferior, and in many ways superior, to many North American cities. if you have money you can live in any city in the world comfortably, so there is no reason for him to stay home and stay out of the best league in the world, it is every single athletes dream to play in the best league in their chosen sport. i think the habs didn't offer him a ton of money because i believe that they are allowing the russian league to develop him. he'll be over here soon i believe, if he has the balls to leave home. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2007 22:08:11 GMT -5
It really depends where you are in Russia. I think you would be surprised how thoroughly modern Moscow actually is. If you have money, life can be very good indeed and certainly not inferior, and in many ways superior, to many North American cities. if you have money you can live in any city in the world comfortably, so there is no reason for him to stay home and stay out of the best league in the world, it is every single athletes dream to play in the best league in their chosen sport. i think the habs didn't offer him a ton of money because i believe that they are allowing the russian league to develop him. he'll be over here soon i believe, if he has the balls to leave home. Not everything is black and white .. and not everyone puts value on money like you obviously do. Doesn't make them any less a person either. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 20, 2007 1:10:20 GMT -5
if you have money you can live in any city in the world comfortably, so there is no reason for him to stay home and stay out of the best league in the world, it is every single athletes dream to play in the best league in their chosen sport. i think the habs didn't offer him a ton of money because i believe that they are allowing the russian league to develop him. he'll be over here soon i believe, if he has the balls to leave home. Not everything is black and white .. and not everyone puts value on money like you obviously do. Doesn't make them any less a person either. excuse me, like i obviously do? everyone puts a lot of value on money, i'm just a little smarter than most when it comes to how to use it to my advantage, you'll never find me playing the lottery, yet poor and seniors are always buying tickets. that is because they want to be rich, in fact everybody does, you wouldn't turn down a million dollar cheque if someone gave you one. as far as making them less of a person, not exactly sure what that means, i don't think any person is more or less important than another. well maybe mother teresa and ghandi types are more important, but what i admire are people with courage who take risks in anything in life and don't just sit back on their fat asses and get themselves in a rut and then whine about it. if emelin is content to stay in russia, where he's "comfortable" then i don't admire him one bit, he'll always regret it, whether he'll admit it 10-20 years later is debatable, but he will regret it. |
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Post by oldhabsfan on Apr 20, 2007 1:18:52 GMT -5
the CBA allows rookies to have bonus laden contracts. I'm glad to know this; it's crucial for the team's future. I've been looking forward to seeing Alexei the Cruel establish his brutal tyranny over the Canadiens' defensive zone. |
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 20, 2007 8:06:20 GMT -5
I don't know if Emelin will stay in Russia or not, but to suggest that he is somehow a lesser man because he might, is ludicrous. Even if he wants to play in the best league in the world, does he live in a vacuum? It would be incredibly selfish of him to put himself above his family, wouldn't it?
We would have to walk a mile in his shoes, as they say, before making any judgements. Does Emelin have a family? A wife? Does she have a good job, a good career with lots of potential? How about kids? Does he have any kids? Are they all healthy? Do they have special needs? Parents? Grandparents? What is their health like? Are they sick? Should he close to them? Didn't Markov's dad die while Markov was in Canada? How much money, I wonder, would Markov have given to be close to his dad at the end? Did "playing against the best in the world" compensate for not saying a proper good-bye to his dad?
If Ememlin has kids, should they be close to their grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins/friends? Does Emelin have any brothers, sisters? What kind of shape are they in? What if Emelin has an autistic brother who needs constant attention, and two parents who are elderly and sick, along with a wife who speaks no English and couldn't get a job here but who is finishing up her medical degree and is fast-tracked to a high level position at the Moscow State Hospital? Wouldn't it be rather selfish of Emelin to think only of himself, turning down a $1 million offer to stay in Russia so that he can come to Hamilton for $75,000, and MAYBE make better money in a couple of years?
I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2007 9:08:18 GMT -5
I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite. Agree entirely. It's only a game; some of you need to relax. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 20, 2007 10:28:27 GMT -5
I don't know if Emelin will stay in Russia or not, but to suggest that he is somehow a lesser man because he might, is ludicrous. Even if he wants to play in the best league in the world, does he live in a vacuum? It would be incredibly selfish of him to put himself above his family, wouldn't it? We would have to walk a mile in his shoes, as they say, before making any judgements. Does Emelin have a family? A wife? Does she have a good job, a good career with lots of potential? How about kids? Does he have any kids? Are they all healthy? Do they have special needs? Parents? Grandparents? What is their health like? Are they sick? Should he close to them? Didn't Markov's dad die while Markov was in Canada? How much money, I wonder, would Markov have given to be close to his dad at the end? Did "playing against the best in the world" compensate for not saying a proper good-bye to his dad? If Ememlin has kids, should they be close to their grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins/friends? Does Emelin have any brothers, sisters? What kind of shape are they in? What if Emelin has an autistic brother who needs constant attention, and two parents who are elderly and sick, along with a wife who speaks no English and couldn't get a job here but who is finishing up her medical degree and is fast-tracked to a high level position at the Moscow State Hospital? Wouldn't it be rather selfish of Emelin to think only of himself, turning down a $1 million offer to stay in Russia so that he can come to Hamilton for $75,000, and MAYBE make better money in a couple of years? I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite. as i said directly above you: if he has a dying father, or a sick mother, or something like that i understand... it is also possible that he is infiltrated sp? with the mob and is working as a part-time hitman in the off-season and they won't let him leave as he's one of the best. if you see him in the corners it is entirely possible. so as i stated, if its a family thing i understand, but if it's a language barrier, or homesick thing then i don't. 99.?% of players good enough to play in the nhl come, if he doesn't i have a right to question his character. i sense that he wouldn't even have to go to hamilton, wouldn't suprise me at all to get $750 + some pretty solid bonuses and become a fan favourite in montreal instantly for his hard work and grit and nastiness. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2007 17:42:05 GMT -5
I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite. Agree entirely. It's only a game; some of you need to relax. I am relaxed, (hic). |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 20, 2007 17:58:58 GMT -5
excuse me, like i obviously do? That wasn't intended as a snub, and reading it now I see how it may have come out wrong. I apologize. I just meant that you seem to "envy" his opportunity (if envy is the right word) and you see it as a wasted opportunity on his part. The money may not mean anything to Emelin. In fact, the competition might mean nothing to Emelin. He may put his family and comfort above everything. I don't know. I am just speculating. But I didn't intend that as a put down. Well you called Sullivan a "pussy". I don't know why he stayed home. I can only speculate, and if I was a guessing man it was family reasons. Don't think he had anyone sick, though he might have, but apart of me, again total speculation, thinks he liked his life better here ... young family, wife, etc. I don't know if he made the right decision or not, but to call him a "pussy" for decising what was more important in his own life? That's a tad much IMO. Who has a fat ass, and is in a rut, whining about it? If Emelin has a fat ass than he has some working out to do before coming over to North America, doesn't he?  |
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 20, 2007 21:47:59 GMT -5
I don't know if Emelin will stay in Russia or not, but to suggest that he is somehow a lesser man because he might, is ludicrous. Even if he wants to play in the best league in the world, does he live in a vacuum? It would be incredibly selfish of him to put himself above his family, wouldn't it? We would have to walk a mile in his shoes, as they say, before making any judgements. Does Emelin have a family? A wife? Does she have a good job, a good career with lots of potential? How about kids? Does he have any kids? Are they all healthy? Do they have special needs? Parents? Grandparents? What is their health like? Are they sick? Should he close to them? Didn't Markov's dad die while Markov was in Canada? How much money, I wonder, would Markov have given to be close to his dad at the end? Did "playing against the best in the world" compensate for not saying a proper good-bye to his dad? If Ememlin has kids, should they be close to their grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins/friends? Does Emelin have any brothers, sisters? What kind of shape are they in? What if Emelin has an autistic brother who needs constant attention, and two parents who are elderly and sick, along with a wife who speaks no English and couldn't get a job here but who is finishing up her medical degree and is fast-tracked to a high level position at the Moscow State Hospital? Wouldn't it be rather selfish of Emelin to think only of himself, turning down a $1 million offer to stay in Russia so that he can come to Hamilton for $75,000, and MAYBE make better money in a couple of years? I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite. Great and eloquent post. In fact it reminded me of a Habs future player (hopefully). This player decided to stay home and play for a local team in a lower league instead of joining a National Team he was selected for. Why? Because his Mom was gravely ill. This player is David Fischer. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2007 22:25:11 GMT -5
He definitely will be at the WHC as he was named to the final Russian roster. Quite an accomplishment at his age, and he will get to hang out with future teammate Andre Markov throughout the whole tourney. Go get 'em!! A prospect from a number of years ago who has shown no signs of coming over, Konstantin Korneev, was the last cut and joins the team as an injury reserve. www.russianprospects.com/public/index.php?&id=5680 |
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Post by oldhabsfan on Apr 30, 2007 23:17:43 GMT -5
...at the WHC... A prospect from a number of years ago who has shown no signs of coming over, Konstantin Korneev, was the last cut and joins the team as an injury reserve. Eurohockey.net lists Korneev at 181 cm. = 5 feet 11 inches, 83 kg. = 183 pounds. This is 5 pounds lighter than Stephane Robidas, also a smart skilled player who because of his light weight seems to be a marginal NHLer making I think $550,000 at age 30. While Korneev seems to be an oustanding player on the big international rinks in the RSL, I don't think it's likely he would be a success on the small NHL rinks. I suspect that Korneev and the Canadiens are agreed on this. Korneev can play in his own country, make good money and pay little tax. There's no reason for him to beat his head against the wall trying to make it big in the NHL. I vaguely remember reading years ago that Korneev's father was fairly big, and that the club thought that Korneev might grow significantly from a draft weight of 176 pounds, which I guess was a good gamble for a highly skilled 275th pick. It didn't work out. A spell at centre was not a success. That page has been turned. We move on. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 2, 2007 12:24:33 GMT -5
I don't know if Emelin will stay in Russia or not, but to suggest that he is somehow a lesser man because he might, is ludicrous. Even if he wants to play in the best league in the world, does he live in a vacuum? It would be incredibly selfish of him to put himself above his family, wouldn't it? We would have to walk a mile in his shoes, as they say, before making any judgements. Does Emelin have a family? A wife? Does she have a good job, a good career with lots of potential? How about kids? Does he have any kids? Are they all healthy? Do they have special needs? Parents? Grandparents? What is their health like? Are they sick? Should he close to them? Didn't Markov's dad die while Markov was in Canada? How much money, I wonder, would Markov have given to be close to his dad at the end? Did "playing against the best in the world" compensate for not saying a proper good-bye to his dad? If Ememlin has kids, should they be close to their grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins/friends? Does Emelin have any brothers, sisters? What kind of shape are they in? What if Emelin has an autistic brother who needs constant attention, and two parents who are elderly and sick, along with a wife who speaks no English and couldn't get a job here but who is finishing up her medical degree and is fast-tracked to a high level position at the Moscow State Hospital? Wouldn't it be rather selfish of Emelin to think only of himself, turning down a $1 million offer to stay in Russia so that he can come to Hamilton for $75,000, and MAYBE make better money in a couple of years? I have no idea what Emelin's situation is, and I made all of the above up. But the point is nobody knows what his situation is, and just because he *may* not want to come to North America doesn't mean he has character issues. In fact, it could mean just the opposite. ...humbug... he's a headcase and a bum... I read somewhere that he wears his hat crooked, does coke in a hotel room while on the road with the door wide open, hits on 12yr old girls, skies with his son on bunny hill when on sick leave, moves at night to avoid paying his landlord and worst of all thinks that francophone players have a special attraction on the local fans in Montreal. A total nut case. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 3, 2007 15:00:38 GMT -5
Yemelin said he really wishes he could be with the HABS next year but doesn't seem too confident that he'll be able to get out of the last year of his contract with Lada. www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/228434.html |
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Post by duster on May 3, 2007 15:50:06 GMT -5
Lada is having financial trouble and money talks. Once the transfer agreement is signed with the Russian league next week, it could be as simple as finding the right price. I'm betting it would cheaper than a Samsonov buyout or Bouillon's salary...
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