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Post by folatre on Feb 15, 2022 22:19:30 GMT -5
For sure, seventeen, I imagine guys with serious term and AAV such as Petry and Gallagher are likely not moveable at the deadline. Those are complicated trades and they are easier to work out in the summer when more suitors can get involved and there is time to clear cap space, etc.
Chiarot is very much in demand. His game has tailed off over the last six weeks as the Habs' season descended into hell, but let's not forget that he was very good in 2019-20, very good in the 2021 Stanley Cup run, and quite good in the first twenty games of this season. With Montreal in a position to retain 50 percent of a middle class AAV, there are at least 7-10 clubs very interested in adding a big physical guy who can skate in order to shore up their d-corps with an eye to the post-season.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 16, 2022 2:08:37 GMT -5
The trade deadline makes for some foolish moves by gms who think they gotta a chance. And while there may not be many offers now, that will change when gms see their competitors make some additions and then realize if they want to stay in the hunt they gotta go get some players. Is it a coincidence that Flames got Toff shortly after Oil signed Kane? The dominos have started to fall and gms will come knocking on Hughes door in the next month - happens every year. Masai Ujiri of the Raptors said in a presser after the NBA TDL that he rarely makes trades, especially big ones at the TDL. He said that there is so much going on, so much noise, that making a rational decision is difficult, so he doesn't participate much. That would be the case for most GM's unless you are really tempted and feel your team is so, so close and need that little extra to get over the hump. Makes more sense then, to make those trades now, rather than at the last minute. Trouble is that GM's first offers are often low-ball types and get little reaction. They get improved little by little, but perhaps too slow to avoid that Christmas Eve rush (Metaphorically speaking). Because of CAP issues, I don't expect much after the Toffoli deal. Chiarot will be dealt, even if it's for a bag of pucks. He's a UFA, so we losing nothing by trading him at the TDL. Petry, Gallagher etc. will probably be summer deals. GMs like to say TDL and FA day are for suckers. But year after year GMs get real active on those days and, yes, make bad deals. But they keep doing it. I don't see this year being an exception. Any GM that thinks his team has a chance and sees a competitor improve will feel compelled to make a deal to keep up. And many will worry about long term cap situations at the end of the season. Hughes is in great position. Let's just hope he and his people know what they're doing when it comes to prospects (Heineman) and drafting. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 16, 2022 9:43:44 GMT -5
Masai Ujiri of the Raptors said in a presser after the NBA TDL that he rarely makes trades, especially big ones at the TDL. He said that there is so much going on, so much noise, that making a rational decision is difficult, so he doesn't participate much. That would be the case for most GM's unless you are really tempted and feel your team is so, so close and need that little extra to get over the hump. Makes more sense then, to make those trades now, rather than at the last minute. Trouble is that GM's first offers are often low-ball types and get little reaction. They get improved little by little, but perhaps too slow to avoid that Christmas Eve rush (Metaphorically speaking). Because of CAP issues, I don't expect much after the Toffoli deal. Chiarot will be dealt, even if it's for a bag of pucks. He's a UFA, so we losing nothing by trading him at the TDL. Petry, Gallagher etc. will probably be summer deals. GMs like to say TDL and FA day are for suckers. But year after year GMs get real active on those days and, yes, make bad deals. But they keep doing it. I don't see this year being an exception. Any GM that thinks his team has a chance and sees a competitor improve will feel compelled to make a deal to keep up. And many will worry about long term cap situations at the end of the season. Hughes is in great position. Let's just hope he and his people know what they're doing when it comes to prospects (Heineman) and drafting. Gm's and owners are pressured into making bad deals every year from fans, press and even the players themselves. The Habs don't need to be aggressive, let the desperate GM's come to them!! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 16, 2022 10:09:36 GMT -5
GMs like to say TDL and FA day are for suckers. But year after year GMs get real active on those days and, yes, make bad deals. But they keep doing it. I don't see this year being an exception. Any GM that thinks his team has a chance and sees a competitor improve will feel compelled to make a deal to keep up. And many will worry about long term cap situations at the end of the season. Hughes is in great position. Let's just hope he and his people know what they're doing when it comes to prospects (Heineman) and drafting. Gm's and owners are pressured into making bad deals every year from fans, press and even the players themselves. The Habs don't need to be aggressive, let the desperate GM's come to them!! Fully agree. By trading Toffoli this early, they have put up a huge “open for business” sign and removed any doubt that the Habs would consider hockey trades and not just rentals of pending UFAs. His phone will be buzzing no doubt. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 16, 2022 11:08:40 GMT -5
I hope Hughes and Horton are cagey enough to try and pit playoff competitors against each other... instead of burgerbrains code (when its convenient) nonsense
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 16, 2022 13:37:39 GMT -5
Beyond Hughes and Gorton, who will be running the draft, providing evaluations of these prospects? Has there been a replacement to Trevor Timmins named or does Hughes have that much confidence in his knowledge of prospects?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 16, 2022 14:10:21 GMT -5
Beyond Hughes and Gorton, who will be running the draft, providing evaluations of these prospects? Has there been a replacement to Trevor Timmins named or does Hughes have that much confidence in his knowledge of prospects? Marty Lapointe is the head of scouting for this draft. I fully expect a new boss will be hired in the off-season after the draft as the top candidates are already gainfully employed preparing their existing teams for the draft. Hughes has said as much on both fronts. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 16, 2022 14:44:52 GMT -5
Gm's and owners are pressured into making bad deals every year from fans, press and even the players themselves. The Habs don't need to be aggressive, let the desperate GM's come to them!! The most pressure often comes from the owner. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 16, 2022 14:49:44 GMT -5
Beyond Hughes and Gorton, who will be running the draft, providing evaluations of these prospects? Has there been a replacement to Trevor Timmins named or does Hughes have that much confidence in his knowledge of prospects? Marty Lapointe is the head of scouting for this draft. I fully expect a new boss will be hired in the off-season after the draft as the top candidates are already gainfully employed preparing their existing teams for the draft. Hughes has said as much on both fronts. Scouting department heads have been hired in the past, before the draft, but usually with the condition that they don't take part in the draft or anything leading up to the draft. (The jury will disregard that last testimony which is tattooed into your memory). It's extremely unlikely anyone changes place until after the draft, though. That's the way it should be. (Now that's not saying talks can't be held before the draft indicating that there's interest). |
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Post by PTH on Feb 16, 2022 16:13:57 GMT -5
Gm's and owners are pressured into making bad deals every year from fans, press and even the players themselves. The Habs don't need to be aggressive, let the desperate GM's come to them!! The most pressure often comes from the owner. And the owner is going by marketing reports. I think it was Doc Holliday who had a friend with some insight into Habs management and he was discouraged at how decisions were based on marketing. Polling says fans want an offensive star: trade for Linden, since it was the closest we could do. Doesn't work out ? Not a good idea in general ? Meh, whatever, move along, we'll decide next year. Fans want a commitment to winning now ? Get a couple of rentals so the guys in the room feel the love, even though the rental clearly wasn't worth the price paid. etc, etc. |
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Post by habsask on Feb 16, 2022 17:36:27 GMT -5
Marty Lapointe is the head of scouting for this draft. I fully expect a new boss will be hired in the off-season after the draft as the top candidates are already gainfully employed preparing their existing teams for the draft. Hughes has said as much on both fronts. Scouting department heads have been hired in the past, before the draft, but usually with the condition that they don't take part in the draft or anything leading up to the draft. (The jury will disregard that last testimony which is tattooed into your memory). It's extremely unlikely anyone changes place until after the draft, though. That's the way it should be. (Now that's not saying talks can't be held before the draft indicating that there's interest). Yes I look forward to hearing about changes in amateur and pro scouting and also respecting Player Development which I think we all agree was a complete disaster during the Bergevin regime. Of course there may have been no Player Development Program at all in which case it was entirely AWOL. One can at least hope with the current regime. Cheers |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 16, 2022 18:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Feb 16, 2022 19:43:09 GMT -5
In fairness, that quote is pretty much something Bergevin could've said. I think all GMs want a competitive program every year, that brings in kids, signs the occasional UFA, has a high compete level, and if everything goes south one year, you can expect the next season to be a good one again. |
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Post by habsask on Feb 16, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5
Interesting to see that in the practice line-up in the article Gallagher was on the 4th line. It will be interesting to see what the tomorrow's game line-up is.
If he stays on the 4th line I'm not quite sue what that means. Has his play deteriorated that much? Or is it preparation for life without Gally?
Just ruminating.
Cheers
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Post by Cranky on Feb 16, 2022 23:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by Douper on Feb 17, 2022 6:22:06 GMT -5
It's bad, at least in the early 2000's we could always count on our goalie, Andre Markov and whoever he played with. At this rate our top scorer will have less than 45 points. Ouch |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 17, 2022 10:38:53 GMT -5
And it's likely to get a lot worse as the fire sale continues. Just hope the kids make the most of their TOI. So far I'm happy with Poehling's development - he's for sure a good #3 centre and maybe hire if he can find his scoring firs tNHL game scoring touch. Cole seems to be finding his groove. And if only we could see Romy on the PP instead of the 'never will bes' like Wideman and Clague, or 'has beens' like Petry. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 17, 2022 11:52:10 GMT -5
And it's likely to get a lot worse as the fire sale continues. Just hope the kids make the most of their TOI. So far I'm happy with Poehling's development - he's for sure a good #3 centre and maybe hire if he can find his scoring firs tNHL game scoring touch. Cole seems to be finding his groove. And if only we could see Romy on the PP instead of the 'never will bes' like Wideman and Clague, or 'has beens' like Petry. U said it... I've been screaming for Romy on the PP since the start if the season... hes the only d who can put the puck on the net consistently and plays with his head up. He can make a tape to tape freakin pass |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 17, 2022 14:20:53 GMT -5
And it's likely to get a lot worse as the fire sale continues. Just hope the kids make the most of their TOI. So far I'm happy with Poehling's development - he's for sure a good #3 centre and maybe hire if he can find his scoring firs tNHL game scoring touch. Cole seems to be finding his groove. And if only we could see Romy on the PP instead of the 'never will bes' like Wideman and Clague, or 'has beens' like Petry. Poehling's been the nicest surprise to me. Lots of hockey people (Jack Han included) didn't think he'd ever be an NHL centre and instead, he's finding his groove. I think many people underestimated his smarts and his willingness to learn and adjust. The previous regime had trouble fitting him in until they had no choice. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 17, 2022 14:34:24 GMT -5
And it's likely to get a lot worse as the fire sale continues. Just hope the kids make the most of their TOI. So far I'm happy with Poehling's development - he's for sure a good #3 centre and maybe hire if he can find his scoring firs tNHL game scoring touch. Cole seems to be finding his groove. And if only we could see Romy on the PP instead of the 'never will bes' like Wideman and Clague, or 'has beens' like Petry. Poehling's been the nicest surprise to me. Lots of hockey people (Jack Han included) didn't think he'd ever be an NHL centre and instead, he's finding his groove. I think many people underestimated his smarts and his willingness to learn and adjust. The previous regime had trouble fitting him in until they had no choice. The previous regime had trouble teaching... didnt think it was their responsiblity |
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