Ukraine

[Cranky]

Apr 16, 2022 13:01:33 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

Another random thought, I am agreeing with Cranky on how sanctions don't work with dictators. There is always some country willing to help them out, mainly China. Sanctions on North Korea, Iran has done nothing to change their outlook on things.

To be clear, I think sanctions can work BUT they have to be real sanctions and not lollipoops that we are fed by the ever so full of bullcrap politicians and the garbage media.

Because I believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and Pornhub, when I heard that there were going to "serious" sanctions, I envisioned a NATO wide, Western wide stoppage of buying everything Russian. If they did that, it would be a shock to the Russian masses and the last thing that Puta wants is the population to turn on him. Those kinds of sanctions would turn the ruble into rubble and within a month, massive, massive inflation would hit Russians. THAT is what real sanctions can do.

But it wasn't.

Everything was done on a piecemeal and self-interest first basis. The SWIFT was sold as "we got them" but in fact, when I started to dig deeper into it, not an easy task because it was really buried, one of the biggest Russian banks that is used to make energy payments was mysteriously left off the SWIFT sanctions. That reflected directly when I was tracking the ruble and a week later, it stopped sinking and reversed course. Now it's back to were it's was pre-war. Why? Because there are now backdoor deals were there are still transfers of dollars and Euros exchanged even though it's not done through SWIFT. On top of that, there are now renminbi-ruble and rupee-ruble exchanges based on a basket of values. Basically the SWIFT sanctions are worthless.

Right now, right this minute, German imports of gas alone is subsidizing the murder of Ukrainians. So are US steel and commodity imports. So are Western bypasses that buy Russian products one hand removed. There are ships with oil and commodities that dock into Russian friendly countries, which is most of the planet and exchange hands. So the steel going through country X is no longer Russian, but exported by X country. All it cost was some paperwork shuffle.

The west is buying about 1.5 BILLION dollars/euros a DAY in energy and commodities, but somehow, thru shear magic, that is not used to fund the Russian invasion. Nope, Puta is putting that money into angel causes...that just happen to go boom.

Then there is the uber bullcrap of sanctioning Russians directly. Our beloved leader uhhh and ahhs us the latest list of evil Russians sanctioned, most who never visit here and can't find Canada on a map, but somehow, those sanctions are going to "bite" on the Russian elite? It is nothing less then absolute arrogance from him and politicians that we the masses are sooo stupid, so utterly stupid that we believe that our government is "doing something". It's nothing. It's no more effective then Russia sanctioning Trudeau or you and me.

Then there is the garbage media who are selling us this straight up bullcrap as real and effective. Even today, with the ruble rising back to it's pre-war level and Russia showing no serious effects from the sanctions, they straight up lie that "it takes time". Utter bullcrap. I can't understand why they lie like that other then a nudge and a wink from the political class that it's "part of the war effort not to rile up the western masses". If anyone wants proof of that, go back to the rail blockades and the endless bullcrap about how it was shutting down the country when in reality, they simply used several other lines to bypass the blockades. The media knew this and yet, they agreed not to make it public. Think about that. They got together and agreed to sell a narrative. ALL of them. Print and TV. ALL OF THEM. I thought that it was an impossible level of collusion, I was wrong.

If anyone thinks there is no collusion in the media, then you believe in Santa and Pornhub more then I do.

So there it is, sanctions don't work when they are not really sanctions but political theater to placate our anger.

[Cranky]

No words....

[Tankdriver]

Cranky, you post sums exactly why sanctions will never work. There will always be an out offered by some country.

The only thing that is a given is that the body list is just going to keep rising.

[Cranky]

The mighty Russian Army....die the slowest, most painful death.

Hello you fn lying, two bit politicians and all you fn economic collaborating countries.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Willie Dog]

The EU leaders other than the UK, should be ashamed, Germany and France, the biggest phonies in the EU...

[jkr]

Found this list - what the U.S. had sent so far as of March 16.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/16/fact-sheet-on-u-s-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

[jkr]

Apr 17, 2022 14:35:17 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

The EU leaders other than the UK, should be ashamed, Germany and France, the biggest phonies in the EU...

Things will get worse if Macron doesn't win next Sunday.

[Cranky]

I'm not worried about Macron. Not that he's done much other then take propaganda photos of himself and lots of hot air.

The Ukrainians have started an offensive to cut off supply lines to Donbass and wear down the Russian garbage. This is either the hands down dumbest led invasion in the history of mankind or there is a master plan by the master planner Puta where Ukraine lands up in the Kremlin.

Armor is ALWAYS on a extension cord. Cut that cord anywhere in that legnth and it simply withers and dies a slow, painful death.

It seems that Russian generals think they are fighting in Syria where they can simply win by showing up against tribal level army. Sorry, it doesn't work that way against real armies.

WHY on earth did I believe that Russia was actually anything more then Saddams military? On the other hand, what we have here is a proxy war where Ukraine may not have the massive US total war machine mowing down this Russian garbage in days, literally days, but it does have it's formidable infantry level support.

Here is what I'm concerned about. Unless all the Russian military command is wearing diapers, they may lose this, learn from it and re-invest and re-organize into an actual first world military. On the other hand, they are so far behind that they are fighting a 1970 war strategy now. By the time they get to 2020 level, it will be 2030 and those wars will be all drones. Todays armour and planes will be obsolete, musket level obsolete.

Meanwhile, back in Canada, we will have the latest and greatest weapons to defend ourselves.....hot air from politicians and suicide geese....but at least the geese are "green".

[Willie Dog]

Apr 17, 2022 18:40:06 GMT -5 Cranky said:

I'm not worried about Macron. Not that he's done much other then take propaganda photos of himself and lots of hot air.

The Ukrainians have started an offensive to cut off supply lines to Donbass and wear down the Russian garbage. This is either the hands down dumbest led invasion in the history of mankind or there is a master plan by the master planner Puta where Ukraine lands up in the Kremlin.

Armor is ALWAYS on a extension cord. Cut that cord anywhere in that legnth and it simply withers and dies a slow, painful death.

It seems that Russian generals think they are fighting in Syria where they can simply win by showing up against tribal level army. Sorry, it doesn't work that way against real armies.

WHY on earth did I believe that Russia was actually anything more then Saddams military? On the other hand, what we have here is a proxy war where Ukraine may not have the massive US total war machine mowing down this Russian garbage in days, literally days, but it does have it's formidable infantry level support.

Here is what I'm concerned about. Unless all the Russian military command is wearing diapers, they may lose this, learn from it and re-invest and re-organize into an actual first world military. On the other hand, they are so far behind that they are fighting a 1970 war strategy now. By the time they get to 2020 level, it will be 2030 and those wars will be all drones. Todays armour and planes will be obsolete, musket level obsolete.

Meanwhile, back in Canada, we will have the latest and greatest weapons to defend ourselves.....hot air from politicians and suicide geese....but at least the geese are "green".

We better drone up them geese because Jus 'N Jaz are to busy eco spooning to give a rats ass about our military

[Cranky]

I've been thinking...where is this headed?

Moskva was a huge blow to Russian and Putas pride. I think this brings chemical/nukes at the very edge of use. One more embarrassing blow like that and it's going to happen.

Then there is the "formal" note that Russia sent to the US. In it Russia claimed that US and NATO shipments of “most sensitive” weapons to Ukraine were “adding fuel” and could bring “unpredictable consequences.”

That is a CLEAR threat if I ever heard one.

That's now Putas decision to use wmd.

Our decision, the West decision is then on the edge of either responding with force or cowering, which basically breaks up the West illusion of righteousness and justice. We can no longer talk about how we value human life, how we stand up to evil, how we are a just society that base our existence on moral and righteous pillars.

We will be cowards. We would the biggest gas bags in human history.

Of course nobody wants to have a nuclear war, but how exactly are you NOT going to have one when you are faced with someone who already did it? Who has no regard for human life and his mission is to break up Europe and dominate as a superpower? He can't do it with conventional military or economic means, but he can certainly do it by threatening and if he desires, using weapons of mass destruction whenever he needs to. Why not? If we don't respond, he KNOWS it works so more is in store.

Two thoughts..

There is no such thing as peace in weakness. It simply buys phyric time before the next iteration of intimidation. Or use.

It will come to the most basic decision the western world has ever faced. Stand up or wither. A fork in the road that both lead to hell...

t.co/jVVYH0CaCu

[Cranky]

Up close and REALLY personal.

In this video you are seeing the "heroic" end of looters, rapist and murderers, also known as Russian soldiers. They have stolen a van, note the Z on the van, loaded it up with stolen goods, obviously killed all the families to get their precious washing machines.....and got ambushed by Ukrainians.

Seven dead and one injured. Baaad day. Too bad, not sad....

DEAD PEOPLE VIDEO

Note...AGAIN a drone is involved in surveillance. Next step in Crankys world of ham sandwich between kill buttons...no humans or hand grenades needed. 2-3 Cranky AP (Anti Personal) drones drop in and do the job. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide.

[Cranky]

Wali resurfaced....

[Cranky]

Greece is freezing Russian assets and those poor oligarchs are getting upset.

The latest is Greece has seized a Russian ship and in FACT, can shut down Russian exports at will. If Russian somehow are stupid enough to hit a Greek ship, say goodbye to the Russian Black Sea fleet. 10 minute flight to the Black Sea and they have Harpoon missiles coming out of their wazoo.

Never pick a fight with someone who has both hands around your throat.

ATHENS — Greece on Tuesday seized a crude oil Russian tanker as part of European Union sanctions against Russia, a Greek shipping ministry official said.

nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/greece-seizes-russian-tanker-as-part-of-eu-sanctions

[Cranky]

If you really want to know how much Prime Minister Singh Trudeau helping Ukraine....

...you shouldn't open this link.

public.flourish.studio/visualisation/9464341/?utm_source=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/9464341

I'm embarrassed.

[HABsurd]

Apr 20, 2022 6:14:44 GMT -5 Cranky said:

If you really want to know how much Prime Minister Singh Trudeau helping Ukraine....

...you shouldn't open this link.

public.flourish.studio/visualisation/9464341/?utm_source=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/9464341

I'm embarrassed.

Interesting. A more complete picture can be found at the source site. www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

Note, Canada is ranked 9th in total support. Still insufficient, but not nothing.

[Tankdriver]

Reminds me of this answer from the PM in regards to a question from retired corporal Brock Blaszczyk.

youtu.be/VNg3acnGAsc


“Why are we still fighting against certain veterans’ groups in court? Because they’re asking for more than we are able to give right now,” Trudeau responded.


Basically this is the same answer he is giving Ukraine in regards to Russia.

[Cranky]

Apr 20, 2022 8:55:36 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

Reminds me of this answer from the PM in regards to a question from retired corporal Brock Blaszczyk.

youtu.be/VNg3acnGAsc


“Why are we still fighting against certain veterans’ groups in court? Because they’re asking for more than we are able to give right now,” Trudeau responded.


Basically this is the same answer he is giving Ukraine in regards to Russia.

Watched that video in shame.

This "leader" gives a terrorist 10 million, he gives 40 BILLION, yes BILLIONS to people for wrongs 60 years ago...but can't take care of our own.

BTW...I directly took on Veterans Affairs on behalf of thousands of Greek vets, was ready and had the big fat mean$ to bring legal fn hell on their heads....and they quietly "reviewed" the ruling and reversed it. Everybody else talked and talked and talked.....I got sick and tired of hearing them talk. One of my proudest moments.

[Willie Dog]

Apr 20, 2022 17:24:52 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Apr 20, 2022 8:55:36 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

Reminds me of this answer from the PM in regards to a question from retired corporal Brock Blaszczyk.

youtu.be/VNg3acnGAsc


“Why are we still fighting against certain veterans’ groups in court? Because they’re asking for more than we are able to give right now,” Trudeau responded.


Basically this is the same answer he is giving Ukraine in regards to Russia.

Watched that video in shame.

This "leader" gives a terrorist 10 million, he gives 40 BILLION, yes BILLIONS to people for wrongs 60 years ago...but can't take care of our own.

BTW...I directly took on Veterans Affairs on behalf of thousands of Greek vets, was ready and had the big fat mean$ to bring legal fn hell on their heads....and they quietly "reviewed" the ruling and reversed it. Everybody else talked and talked and talked.....I got sick and tired of hearing them talk. One of my proudest moments.

Jussie is a disgrace... but he's a part of a long line of politicians who have disrespected our military

[jkr]

You were right Cranky - Macron wins French election.

www.france24.com/en/france/20220424-live-follow-the-results-of-france-s-presidential-election-run-off

[Cranky]

Apr 24, 2022 15:00:05 GMT -5 jkr said:

You were right Cranky - Macron wins French election.

www.france24.com/en/france/20220424-live-follow-the-results-of-france-s-presidential-election-run-off

(This is going to be a long rant, get coffee.,.or ignore.)

Distrust and verify.

People are simply unaware how much collusion goes on in the propaganda medias. Mostly left, but also on the right, depending on the issues.

In the French election, I translated multiple articles from major French papers and ran across the EXACT same message...."this is a close election, oh my God, we are doomed". Then they present some "poll" whose numbers look waaaaay too suspicious, but complements the gloom and doom. They were tossing out 52% to 48% which makes it look so close that if the reader didn't vote for Macron, there goes France...and the planet. Article after article, regardless of media, same exact "message".

It went straight into my "distrust and verify" bin.

There is no actual "Ministry of Propaganda And Talking Points" yet amazingly, they ALWAYS have the same unified message.

Remember our rail shut down? Where all the media is screaming "oh my God, the rail is shut down, the country is doomed" yet I can hear or see the freight trains, running through, day and night. How was that unified message even possible when anyone who cared to look at a rail track saw oil tankers and powder tankers (corn/wheat) in the middle of "rail shutdown". Those can only come from one region of Canada...and it ain't Nanuvut.

(From house and real estate properties, I pass rail tracks. Every second day, as per insurance requirement, I have to security check them. Eleven o'clock I see the gloom news, at 2 in the morning I'm waiting at a rail crossing for the freight trains to pass. Rolling my eyes and shaking my head at the bs I heard a few hours earlier.)

98% of the people won't dig beyond the layers upon layers upon layers of deliberate same speak/messaging, which is of course, the reason the propaganda media deliberately layer it so deep. Enter Google and social media, making sure that those layers are packed thick.

Do you know that in Google if you put a minus sign in front of search subject, it excludes that source/subject? Two years ago, when I searched "trump" and put 50 minus signs to exclude CNN, cnbc, as many left sources as possible and yet, I could NOT find a Fox or right leaning media article on him even on the 20th page. I even got anti-Trump articles from Japan before Wall Street Journal. How is that possible from an open source search? Unless of course it isn't....

Have you noticed what is going on with Musk and twitter? Why are all the lefty media melting down?

Welcome to 2022 and the DELIBERATE control by the propaganda media and platforms. If one celebrates that because they share ideology, then enjoy the reasoning, which is the masses are too stupid to see past their propaganda.

They are right.

As for the French election, I had it at 60/40. It's 58/42.

Distrust and verify.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Apr 18, 2022 18:56:55 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Wali resurfaced....

A Superstar in rent-a-car ... his dossier keeps getting bigger and bigger ...

Sigh.

[Cranky]

Apr 24, 2022 18:39:57 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Apr 18, 2022 18:56:55 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Wali resurfaced....

A Superstar in rent-a-car ... his dossier keeps getting bigger and bigger ...

Sigh.

I'm still trying to get my head around these "superstar" snipers and tweeting tigers.

Call me old fashioned, but my father's advice, a REAL sniper who put his life on the line for 5 years, he said "hide in plain sight", "do not let anyone know where you were and were you are going". Yet here we are with superstar snipers and tweeting tigers who can't wait to get their next hot spot.

BTW, I was in contact with a "amateur front line supplier" that I could help, but funny thing, he doesn't know my distrust and verify is going to be engraved on my headstone. Jury is still out on him and I got my sneakers on to run the other way. Wars are full of profiteers, opportunist and cons, hands soaked in blood.

[Cranky]

I'm not crazy. No I'm not. STOP ASKING MY WIFE!

[BadCompany]

Apr 24, 2022 16:32:34 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Apr 24, 2022 15:00:05 GMT -5 jkr said:

You were right Cranky - Macron wins French election.

www.france24.com/en/france/20220424-live-follow-the-results-of-france-s-presidential-election-run-off

(This is going to be a long rant, get coffee.,.or ignore.)

Distrust and verify.

People are simply unaware how much collusion goes on in the propaganda medias. Mostly left, but also on the right, depending on the issues.

In the French election, I translated multiple articles from major French papers and ran across the EXACT same message...."this is a close election, oh my God, we are doomed". Then they present some "poll" whose numbers look waaaaay too suspicious, but complements the gloom and doom. They were tossing out 52% to 48% which makes it look so close that if the reader didn't vote for Macron, there goes France...and the planet. Article after article, regardless of media, same exact "message".

It went straight into my "distrust and verify" bin.

There is no actual "Ministry of Propaganda And Talking Points" yet amazingly, they ALWAYS have the same unified message.

Remember our rail shut down? Where all the media is screaming "oh my God, the rail is shut down, the country is doomed" yet I can hear or see the freight trains, running through, day and night. How was that unified message even possible when anyone who cared to look at a rail track saw oil tankers and powder tankers (corn/wheat) in the middle of "rail shutdown". Those can only come from one region of Canada...and it ain't Nanuvut.

(From house and real estate properties, I pass rail tracks. Every second day, as per insurance requirement, I have to security check them. Eleven o'clock I see the gloom news, at 2 in the morning I'm waiting at a rail crossing for the freight trains to pass. Rolling my eyes and shaking my head at the bs I heard a few hours earlier.)

98% of the people won't dig beyond the layers upon layers upon layers of deliberate same speak/messaging, which is of course, the reason the propaganda media deliberately layer it so deep. Enter Google and social media, making sure that those layers are packed thick.

Do you know that in Google if you put a minus sign in front of search subject, it excludes that source/subject? Two years ago, when I searched "trump" and put 50 minus signs to exclude CNN, cnbc, as many left sources as possible and yet, I could NOT find a Fox or right leaning media article on him even on the 20th page. I even got anti-Trump articles from Japan before Wall Street Journal. How is that possible from an open source search? Unless of course it isn't....

Have you noticed what is going on with Musk and twitter? Why are all the lefty media melting down?

Welcome to 2022 and the DELIBERATE control by the propaganda media and platforms. If one celebrates that because they share ideology, then enjoy the reasoning, which is the masses are too stupid to see past their propaganda.

They are right.

As for the French election, I had it at 60/40. It's 58/42.

Distrust and verify.

As always, follow the money. News organizations, like everything, are now primarily owned by corporations, and not by a lot of different corporations. Lots of videos like this one:

[Tankdriver]

I agree with regards to propaganda in the media, but without digging in the context of this video above, is it possible they were repeating a quote that the ex: a president might of said?

I try to look at everything in both views no matter what the subject is presented. For example we've been told the war in Ukraine is a land grab and that the Russians are evil, etc. But does anyone really know what the people of the Donbas region want? We know there are pro separatists groups there. Is it a small amount? a large amount? I am not advocating on the part of Russia either. I am just saying sometimes we only get certain parts of messages. You have to look at it as a couple breaking up. One person will say one thing and another person will say something else. Most of the time it is a little bit of A and a little bit of B.

[BadCompany]

Apr 25, 2022 11:39:26 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

I agree with regards to propaganda in the media, but without digging in the context of this video above, is it possible they were repeating a quote that the ex: a president might of said?

No, this is the infamous Sinclair Script. Sinclair is a broadcast group that owns 185 local TV stations, and 620 channels in 86 US markets. They are on all networks (Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc). From their own website:

Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. is a diversified media company and leading provider of local sports and news. The Company owns and/or operates 21 RSN brands; owns, operates and/or provides services to 185 television stations in 86 markets; is a leading local news provider in the country; owns multiple national networks; and has TV stations affiliated with all the major broadcast networks. Sinclair’s content is delivered via multiple-platforms, including over-the-air, multi-channel video program distributors, and digital platforms.

I mean, the idea that a major corporation in 86 markets is a "LOCAL" news provider is kind of contradictory, no? "For more on what's happening in our community let's go to our corporate headquarters in Maryland..." 

Their "mission statement", again from their very own website, states the following:

We produce compelling, engaging, informative newscasts.

Notice the "we produce." Those local news stations that you think are producing their own material? Not all of it. Perhaps not even the majority of it. That's coming from a Corporate Head Office.

And of course print media is no better, nor is anything you are going to read on the internet. People like to blame "the media", but really it's just capitalism at it's finest. Control the medium, control the message. Anything that comes from a "major" outlet is being produced (or at the very least vetted) by a bean-counter in a corporate office, and anything that is coming from a small, "independent" outlet is either being produced by a tin-foil crackpot in his basement, or worse, a foreign entity.

The truth, as the X-Files would say, is out there. But you gotta wade through a lot of crap to find it.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Apr 25, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5 BadCompany said:

As always, follow the money. News organizations, like everything, are now primarily owned by corporations, and not by a lot of different corporations. Lots of videos like this one:

An entire network that uses the same teleprompter ... How to Condition the Masses 101 ...

Cheers.