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Post by Polarice on Mar 31, 2022 6:31:40 GMT -5
I don't believe this is correct. There was some concern about the blood clots linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine, but that is not mRNA technology. Studies have shown that blood clotting is not linked to either the BionTech/Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. BTW Covid does cause blood clotting at a far higher rate than the AstraZeneca vaccine That's correct. But I don't think Nilan cared so much about actual facts as just finding a legit-finding excuse for being part of the people prolonging the pandemic. He didn't use it as an excuse I just remember hearing him talk about his condition....never mentioned the vaccine. |
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Post by Polarice on Mar 31, 2022 6:46:22 GMT -5
He mentioned on the show that because of his injuries he's prone to blood clots. One of the major side effects from an MRNA vaccine is blood clots. I don't believe this is correct. There was some concern about the blood clots linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine, but that is not mRNA technology. Studies have shown that blood clotting is not linked to either the BionTech/Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. BTW Covid does cause blood clotting at a far higher rate than the AstraZeneca vaccine Pfizer's own documents list 1290 side effects that can happen from taking their Vaccine....most of them are very, very rare, however, blood clots leading to strokes was one of them. They listed out of 80 million doses only 60,000 had complications, about the same as the flu shot. However, if you had one of those pre conditions, no one should be able to make you take the vaccine. I'm triple Vaxed, and had zero side effects, however, I'm not telling anyone what to put into their body. And I agree, it was a crappy trade! |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 31, 2022 8:30:20 GMT -5
Well, I think Chris Nilan's apology is sincere, anyway ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 31, 2022 9:08:27 GMT -5
Well, I think Chris Nilan's apology is sincere, anyway ... Cheers. Agree Dis. Nilan was a blood and guts enforcer during the decades-long goon era. Fearless. Regardless of how one feels about that part of the game, the NHL fostered and promoted it. For years on end, the Nilans of the league made a lot of room for the Drouins. Most Habs' fans loved Nilan. It's easy to forget that enforcers were also the recipients of daily verbal bile and threats from opposition fans and media. Not much "assistance" for enforcers back then. Suck it up. Deal with it. Not saying it was "right", but that's the way it was. I think Drouin would understand that context and accept the apology. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 31, 2022 12:26:36 GMT -5
Well, I think Chris Nilan's apology is sincere, anyway ... Cheers. We all say things in the heat of the moment or in jest. Things said on the internet are more difficult to deny or retract. When we played hockey we referenced the sexual orientation of an opponent's mother, language and religion, skin color and anything else that might piss someone off. Standards have changed and offending Peruvian handicapped lefthanded socialists is unacceptable and offensive. I'm sure worse things have been said in anger off the record by all. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 31, 2022 15:56:38 GMT -5
I'm triple Vaxed, and had zero side effects, however, I'm not telling anyone what to put into their body. There is a case for that and no one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, but (the inevitable but) when rules are made to protect society as a whole, one shouldn't complain if they are excluded from some services because they have made that choice. That's all. ps. I'm winning 4-3.  |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2022 16:48:17 GMT -5
I'm triple Vaxed, and had zero side effects, however, I'm not telling anyone what to put into their body. I'm also triple vaxxed..but still rabid... Originally i didn't have a problem with restricting unvaxxed, passport and all, but then....when Duclos came out and declared hate on the unvaxxed, who was nothing more then Trudeaus proxy, that's when it became "wait what?" for me. That's when hyper infectious Omicron was infecting everyone and the 7%-8% of the unvaxxed at the time Duclos came out where getting reduced very rapidly through infections and subsequent immunity. Blunt science 101. The unvaxxed were getting infected by Omicron at a rate of approximatly 1%-2% per week. In a matter of weeks, their numbers would be insignificant. No need to attack other then to play politics. It's one thing to have various restrictions but when it's a politician doing nothing more then playing destructive vote-getting politics on fellow Canadians, i wont stand for it. From ANY politician. Memories of the Greek junta demonizing and persecuting fellow Greeks came flooding back. And...TODAY with covid...we are where we are without even the slightest need of the political bullcrap and hate some politician decided to stir up because he thought would get him votes.. BTW...at HF i was tracking everything Omicron related including vax rates, hosptilizations, etc. I didn't post them here because it appeared nobody cared. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 31, 2022 17:02:05 GMT -5
I'm triple Vaxed, and had zero side effects, however, I'm not telling anyone what to put into their body. There is a case for that and no one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, but (the inevitable but) when rules are made to protect society as a whole, one shouldn't complain if they are excluded from some services because they have made that choice. That's all. ps. I'm winning 4-3. 10 and you get a free coffee... |
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Post by Polarice on Apr 1, 2022 7:32:47 GMT -5
I'm triple Vaxed, and had zero side effects, however, I'm not telling anyone what to put into their body. I'm also triple vaxxed..but still rabid... Originally i didn't have a problem with restricting unvaxxed, passport and all, but then....when Duclos came out and declared hate on the unvaxxed, who was nothing more then Trudeaus proxy, that's when it became "wait what?" for me. That's when hyper infectious Omicron was infecting everyone and the 7%-8% of the unvaxxed at the time Duclos came out where getting reduced very rapidly through infections and subsequent immunity. Blunt science 101. The unvaxxed were getting infected by Omicron at a rate of approximatly 1%-2% per week. In a matter of weeks, their numbers would be insignificant. No need to attack other then to play politics. It's one thing to have various restrictions but when it's a politician doing nothing more then playing destructive vote-getting politics on fellow Canadians, i wont stand for it. From ANY politician. Memories of the Greek junta demonizing and persecuting fellow Greeks came flooding back. And...TODAY with covid...we are where we are without even the slightest need of the political bullcrap and hate some politician decided to stir up because he thought would get him votes.. BTW...at HF i was tracking everything Omicron related including vax rates, hosptilizations, etc. I didn't post them here because it appeared nobody cared. Ya that's exactly what happened to me....when the government started turning neighbour against neighbour I got my back up. Must be an old man thing.  |
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 1, 2022 8:23:42 GMT -5
I'm triple vexxed and just took a Saperlipopette-kicking this week. So I am not to pro vaxx at the moment. Now if the vax actually prevented transmission or getting it than yeah...jab them up.
Back to the original subject, there is no longer freedom of speech because everything is analyzed to the umpteenth degree. Sometimes it isn't even the words said but the meaning behind them. Pretty soon it will be don't say a word society because someone will get offended.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 1, 2022 8:30:47 GMT -5
I'm also triple vaxxed..but still rabid... Originally i didn't have a problem with restricting unvaxxed, passport and all, but then....when Duclos came out and declared hate on the unvaxxed, who was nothing more then Trudeaus proxy, that's when it became "wait what?" for me. That's when hyper infectious Omicron was infecting everyone and the 7%-8% of the unvaxxed at the time Duclos came out where getting reduced very rapidly through infections and subsequent immunity. Blunt science 101. The unvaxxed were getting infected by Omicron at a rate of approximatly 1%-2% per week. In a matter of weeks, their numbers would be insignificant. No need to attack other then to play politics. It's one thing to have various restrictions but when it's a politician doing nothing more then playing destructive vote-getting politics on fellow Canadians, i wont stand for it. From ANY politician. Memories of the Greek junta demonizing and persecuting fellow Greeks came flooding back. And...TODAY with covid...we are where we are without even the slightest need of the political bullcrap and hate some politician decided to stir up because he thought would get him votes.. BTW...at HF i was tracking everything Omicron related including vax rates, hosptilizations, etc. I didn't post them here because it appeared nobody cared. Ya that's exactly what happened to me....when the government started turning neighbour against neighbour I got my back up. Must be an old man thing. I'm triple vaxxed with the Covid cocktail, one of each... been fortunate havent caught it |
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 1, 2022 10:37:14 GMT -5
Ya that's exactly what happened to me....when the government started turning neighbour against neighbour I got my back up. Must be an old man thing. I'm triple vaxxed with the Covid cocktail, one of each... been fortunate havent caught it Same. Pzifer-Moderna. Went back to the work office for the first time in 2 years (mandatory) and boom, 3 days later sick as a dog. Also a bunch of co-workers are suffering now so lots of people are really not for going back to the office. Maybe it is this new strain that is supposed to be 70% more contagious... I have just about had enough of it. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 1, 2022 11:33:06 GMT -5
I'm triple vaxxed with the Covid cocktail, one of each... been fortunate havent caught it Same. Pzifer-Moderna. Went back to the work office for the first time in 2 years (mandatory) and boom, 3 days later sick as a dog. Also a bunch of co-workers are suffering now so lots of people are really not for going back to the office. Maybe it is this new strain that is supposed to be 70% more contagious... I have just about had enough of it. I've have AZ then Pfizer them moderna They've started pushing at my work but I told my director I'm 58 and I'm retiring in 2 years... I'm not going back... the big issue was lack of space before the pandemic, we now have more people and less space because of distancing... not sure how the mandarins will figure that out... I guess they just love watching their minions running around |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2022 17:20:30 GMT -5
Ya that's exactly what happened to me....when the government started turning neighbour against neighbour I got my back up. Must be an old man thing. Nahhh....I think it's called principles. Bought some when I was 18 when got my head bashed and bullet fragments in riots against the junta. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2022 17:34:48 GMT -5
I'm triple vexxed and just took a Saperlipopette-kicking this week. So I am not to pro vaxx at the moment. Now if the vax actually prevented transmission or getting it than yeah...jab them up. Back to the original subject, there is no longer freedom of speech because everything is analyzed to the umpteenth degree. Sometimes it isn't even the words said but the meaning behind them. Pretty soon it will be don't say a word society because someone will get offended. Offended? And? The vax was oversold by the garbage media and never properly explained. It basically gives you a head start on fighting the virus, but never stops it from infecting you. So if you have a really good immune system or very high antibody count, it kills it before you get symptoms...and goes down a sliding scale. The slower your immune speeds up to fight it, the more you get sick. In your case and my diagnosis as a pretty tv doctor, you got it, with symptoms but the vax gave your immune system the immune "memory" to fight it off and that is why you did not need to be hospitalized or worse. Those antibodies you initially get from the vax wane over time and that is the entire basis behind the booster shots. I had my booster in December and not planning on becoming a pin cushion unless I have to travel. Then again I don't have a lot of contact with a lot of people because retirement gives me the option to pick and chose when and where I go. If you do, that's different. even worse if you got young ones. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2022 17:42:24 GMT -5
I'm triple vaxxed with the Covid cocktail, one of each... been fortunate havent caught it Try kissing random strangers as an experiment.....  Same. Pzifer-Moderna. Went back to the work office for the first time in 2 years (mandatory) and boom, 3 days later sick as a dog. Also a bunch of co-workers are suffering now so lots of people are really not for going back to the office. Maybe it is this new strain that is supposed to be 70% more contagious... I have just about had enough of it. I've have AZ then Pfizer them moderna They've started pushing at my work but I told my director I'm 58 and I'm retiring in 2 years... I'm not going back... the big issue was lack of space before the pandemic, we now have more people and less space because of distancing... not sure how the mandarins will figure that out... I guess they just love watching their minions running around if you can do your job effectively, I don't understand why they would force you back into an office. On one hand, we retired into house arrest, but I'm glad I no longer have the factory because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep people apart. So my inner Stalin would have to come out and no one who was unvaxxed would have a job. Nothing personal or malevolent, it's just not possible to keep people apart when it's a production line and people are working next to each other. Your case and working from home, VASTLY different issue. Or in this case, none issue. |
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Post by frozone on Apr 1, 2022 18:44:53 GMT -5
I'm triple vexxed and just took a Saperlipopette-kicking this week. So I am not to pro vaxx at the moment. Now if the vax actually prevented transmission or getting it than yeah...jab them up. Back to the original subject, there is no longer freedom of speech because everything is analyzed to the umpteenth degree. Sometimes it isn't even the words said but the meaning behind them. Pretty soon it will be don't say a word society because someone will get offended. Offended? And? The vax was oversold by the garbage media and never properly explained. It basically gives you a head start on fighting the virus, but never stops it from infecting you. So if you have a really good immune system or very high antibody count, it kills it before you get symptoms...and goes down a sliding scale. The slower your immune speeds up to fight it, the more you get sick. In your case and my diagnosis as a pretty tv doctor, you got it, with symptoms but the vax gave your immune system the immune "memory" to fight it off and that is why you did not need to be hospitalized or worse. Those antibodies you initially get from the vax wane over time and that is the entire basis behind the booster shots. I had my booster in December and not planning on becoming a pin cushion unless I have to travel. Then again I don't have a lot of contact with a lot of people because retirement gives me the option to pick and chose when and where I go. If you do, that's different. even worse if you got young ones. Likewise, I've had 3 doses but I'm quite bitter about the government's messaging regarding the vaccines. It sounds great to say that vaccination is the only way to end the pandemic, but I just don't see how it can be true with the vaccines that we have at our disposal. In contrast, the message in many other countries is more nuanced - that we need a mix of vaccination, natural immunity, HVAC, PPE, etc. to beat this pandemic. In Quebec especially, increasing our hospital capacity would quite possibly be the most valuable way to spend our money. I'm still very much pro vax, but imo we've been misled by the government and media for a vaccine that just isn't that great. As for Nilan, I'm not even sure if he's working in the business at all anymore. Maybe if he was a team ambassador or still employed by Bell Media, then sure I could imagine his employer forcing him to apologize publicly... but he's just a fan at this point. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 1, 2022 19:40:26 GMT -5
Offended? And? The vax was oversold by the garbage media and never properly explained. It basically gives you a head start on fighting the virus, but never stops it from infecting you. So if you have a really good immune system or very high antibody count, it kills it before you get symptoms...and goes down a sliding scale. The slower your immune speeds up to fight it, the more you get sick. In your case and my diagnosis as a pretty tv doctor, you got it, with symptoms but the vax gave your immune system the immune "memory" to fight it off and that is why you did not need to be hospitalized or worse. Those antibodies you initially get from the vax wane over time and that is the entire basis behind the booster shots. I had my booster in December and not planning on becoming a pin cushion unless I have to travel. Then again I don't have a lot of contact with a lot of people because retirement gives me the option to pick and chose when and where I go. If you do, that's different. even worse if you got young ones. Likewise, I've had 3 doses but I'm quite bitter about the government's messaging regarding the vaccines. It sounds great to say that vaccination is the only way to end the pandemic, but I just don't see how it can be true with the vaccines that we have at our disposal. In contrast, the message in many other countries is more nuanced - that we need a mix of vaccination, natural immunity, HVAC, PPE, etc. to beat this pandemic. In Quebec especially, increasing our hospital capacity would quite possibly be the most valuable way to spend our money. I'm still very much pro vax, but imo we've been misled by the government and media for a vaccine that just isn't that great. As for Nilan, I'm not even sure if he's working in the business at all anymore. Maybe if he was a team ambassador or still employed by Bell Media, then sure I could imagine his employer forcing him to apologize publicly... but he's just a fan at this point. I got banned in HF covid thread and triggered some people here when presenting the actual facts instead of "vax or anti-vax" polar views. Which is really not my style to back down but sometimes it's better to shut up then divide a community. What is true with covid and now with the war, garbage media is feeding quick and fast confirmation bias. There is no intent to give out the facts and explanations. Yes, it's more time consuming and many will understand whatever they want to understand out of the facts and explanations, but just because some idiots will misread fact to suit their narrative, you don't shove "take it or you are an evil anti-vaxxer". People need a broader, honest explanation to which I firmly believe you would have more buy in and better protect our society. If one knows that they can still get the virus regardless of vaxxing, then what is a better approach? "Vax or you will die" OR an explanation how the vaccine works, it's limitation and what you have to do to mitigate suffering from it? Just for the record, we still wear our masks in high human density or questionable environments. Masks should ALSO be explained and their benefits and limitations made clear. Have you heard any explanation from the garbage media? |
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