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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 25, 2022 11:57:46 GMT -5
Down to 2 games and then we still have to win the lottery. But having the 1st overall at the bell center would be pretty sweet. I dont trust the nhl and I dont trust bettman... to use the word lottery and NHL together is a joke |
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Post by folatre on Apr 25, 2022 13:42:27 GMT -5
My son is getting seriously pumped about the draft lottery, yet I have been gently reminding him the odds are what they are and there is really no point in feeling too down in the event Montreal does not win the lottery. It would be different, obviously, if there was a transcendental generational talent like McDavid or Matthews. In that case, I imagine we would all be feeling despondent if the Habs lost the lottery. But in this draft, not only is there no McDavid or Matthews, the reality is Montreal, Arizona, and Seattle may each have a different kid at the top of their list.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 25, 2022 23:57:17 GMT -5
My son is getting seriously pumped about the draft lottery, yet I have been gently reminding him the odds are what they are and there is really no point in feeling too down in the event Montreal does not win the lottery. It would be different, obviously, if there was a transcendental generational talent like McDavid or Matthews. In that case, I imagine we would all be feeling despondent if the Habs lost the lottery. But in this draft, not only is there no McDavid or Matthews, the reality is Montreal, Arizona, and Seattle may each have a different kid at the top of their list. I agree there are no studs in this draft. But you want BPA and I'd be stunned if Wright doesn't go first overall. He's been lighting it up since Xmas. When I read the reports about him he sounds a lot like Suze. That would be a pretty strong one-two punch. While neither is a generational talent they could provide 45 minutes a game of strength down centre, including both on the PP and PK. Having said that, I would not be unhappy with Cooley. He is more likely to be the game breaker if he is the real deal. Not a big fan of his size, particularly as Cole will need some help in the corners, but the NHL is becoming more of a small man's game than ever before. Next for me would be Savoie, although he's even smaller than Cooley at 5'9" Botton line: I have every faith in Gorts and Hughes that they will select the BPA, so I want them to have the first overall so we get the best player in the draft. |
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Post by drkcloud on Apr 26, 2022 21:46:10 GMT -5
Coyotes come through with the upset over the Wild. 2 solid pts ahead of us now. Time to mail it in boys
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Post by Skilly on Apr 26, 2022 22:04:07 GMT -5
Coyotes come through with the upset over the Wild. 2 solid pts ahead of us now. Time to mail it in boys 1 more loss and 32nd is clinched |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 26, 2022 22:28:36 GMT -5
Coyotes come through with the upset over the Wild. 2 solid pts ahead of us now. Time to mail it in boys 1 more loss and 32nd is clinched That needs to be a loss in regulation. We can still catch Yotes with a win and an OT loss. But I don't see us doing that, although Rags may be pretty demoralized with tonight's loss to Canes and we got them on a B2B. Still think this may come down to that Fla game. Fla lost tonight so hopefully that last game will mean something to them for Presidents Trophy. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2022 22:20:19 GMT -5
Coyotes come back again....down 3-0 in Dallas. Win 4-3 in OT.
Have we now clinched 32nd?
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 27, 2022 22:33:32 GMT -5
Coyotes come back again....down 3-0 in Dallas. Win 4-3 in OT. Have we now clinched 32nd? YES! YES! AND YES! I watched Rags game and was the most pissed off I've ever been with a Habs win in my entire life. Although I don't know if I've ever been pissed off with a Habs win. Then I checked the scoreboard to see what happened in the Yotes game and saw Yotes won. We now have a 25% chance in the lottery of getting the 1st overall and can not pick any lower than 3rd overall. |
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Post by drkcloud on Apr 27, 2022 23:06:02 GMT -5
Wonderful... Here's hoping we get a difference maker!
Let's take a minute to appreciate this accomplishment. This MB constructed team, put together to make the playoffs where anything can happen finished dead last.
WORSE than an Arizona team that was DELIBERATELY trying to implode and dismantle anyone good to avoid bankruptcy.
WORSE than first year expansion team named Kraken (lol).
Truly the accomplishment. Slow clap for Bergy 👏
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Post by drkcloud on Apr 27, 2022 23:15:24 GMT -5
Last time my team had the first overall was 1980. I was a young kid living in Regina Saskatchewan. The streak of watching them lift cups was over but I was psyched at the possibility of a local Pat named Wickenheiser coming in. He had absolutely set Regina town buzzing. When they got him I felt certain we'd be winning cups again in no time. Unfortunately it didn't work out quite that well but after a setback of a couple years to begin the eighties, we were at least in the mix for most of the decade.
We really need to break this streak of no cups. It's becoming Lafflike. Hoping for a solid difference maker if not a generational talent
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 27, 2022 23:59:59 GMT -5
We still need to win the lottery. Hopefully the balls fall our way and not like Detroit who went 1st to 4th.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 28, 2022 3:57:33 GMT -5
So, a guaranteed top three pick and the first pick in every round thereafter. Only way this mess of a season makes sense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2022 5:10:26 GMT -5
The Arizona Coyotes are my second favourite team... The comeback kids... they have goven their 864 fans something to cheer about, plus everyone on this board
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2022 7:11:01 GMT -5
If my understanding of the lottery rules is correct, as well as my math, if we finish last overall we have a 25.5% of getting the first pick. I get that by adding the chance of Habs winning the lottery by our 'ball' being selected is 18.5%, and teams 12 thru 16 have a combined percentage of having the winning ball totalling 7% but they cannot improve by more than 10 spots. So if teams 12 thru 16 win the lottery we maintain our first overall spot. So 18.5% plus 7% gives us a 25.5% of getting first overall if we can finish dead last. Not bad odds! You nailed it brother www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 28, 2022 9:57:09 GMT -5
Wonderful... Here's hoping we get a difference maker! Let's take a minute to appreciate this accomplishment. This MB constructed team, put together to make the playoffs where anything can happen finished dead last. WORSE than an Arizona team that was DELIBERATELY trying to implode and dismantle anyone good to avoid bankruptcy. WORSE than first year expansion team named Kraken (lol). Truly the accomplishment. Slow clap for Bergy 👏 What happened this year is exactly what happened during other failed seasons of the Berg decade: NO PRICE, NO DICE (i.e. Price either missing or not at his best.) No disrespect intended toward our other roster players...they've tried their best. Just nowhere near enough high-end talent. Lafleur's passing was a reminder of how spoiled we were by the 76-79 dynasty. 9 future Hall of Famers--8 of whom didn't wear goalie equipment.  Yes, such a team will never be constructed again, but if that stretch was our zenith...we are now living in the nadir. Show me the players.
-- Red FisherGood post CH! If Price had been healthy he would have been better than Monty and Allen, and we would have finished in the middle of the pack with no legit chance at a Cup and no possibility of improving through the draft. A decade of this nonsense has finally come to an end and now we not only have a top draft pick but some people who know what to do with it. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 28, 2022 11:33:08 GMT -5
What do I win?!
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2022 11:39:51 GMT -5
You get used Mike Hoffman Sens Jersey...lol |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 28, 2022 11:54:18 GMT -5
You get used Mike Hoffman Sens Jersey...lol Awesome, as long as it was used by anyone but Hoffman! |
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Post by jkr on Apr 28, 2022 13:15:31 GMT -5
You get used Mike Hoffman Sens Jersey...lol Awesome, as long as it was used by anyone but Hoffman! Now that made me really LOL.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2022 13:32:55 GMT -5
Awesome, as long as it was used by anyone but Hoffman! Now that made me really LOL. Quite a bit of disdain for the Hoff |
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Post by franko on Apr 28, 2022 19:02:33 GMT -5
Now that made me really LOL. Quite a bit of disdain for the Hoff well deserved, well earned |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2022 19:31:09 GMT -5
A decade of this nonsense has finally come to an end and now we not only have a top draft pick but some people who know what to do with it. This is the part that concerns me. Gorton's drafting record with Boston was short but good (Kessel, Lucic, Marchand) and he signed Chara and Marc Savard as UFA's. That set the Bruins up for a Cup and many years of competitiveness. His drafting record with the Rangers is not good at all, IMO. He oversaw drafts from 2016-2020, 5 draft years. 2016- first pick wasn't until #81, Sean Day. A forgettable year. 2017 - Picks #7 and #21, Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil. Man....two flops (more or less). 2018 - Vitali Kravtsov at #9. Not the best overall draft, but they missed out on Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson. Later at #22 they did ok with K'Andre Miller. Lundqvist at 28 may yet get there. 2019 - Thanks to the lottery got the 2nd overall pick and chose Kappo Kakko. Still early, but first impressions aren't great, especially not for a 2nd overall pick. Who could they have had? Kirby Dach, Bowen Byram, Moritz Seider, Dylan Cozens, Trevor Zegras, Podkolzin, Boldy, Caufield, Newhook and Krebs. Huge miss there, IMO. Unless Kakko explodes in the playoffs or next year. 2020 - Man, Rinse, repeat. Lafreniere, but hard to question the pick as pretty well everyone would have taken him first. Only 2 years since that pick, but who was passed over? Stutzle, Raymond, Jake Sanderson, Drysdale, Lundell, Jarvis and a bunch of other guys. It's really early in this case, and I'd love to have Lafreniere because I think he's been misused badly. Hell, with Panarin and Kreider already at LW, why would they pick another LW? Trade down a spot or two and pick someone else. The question I have is if Gorton had full discretion with the Rangers scouting staff. They rarely got someone in the later rounds, if at all, and missed out on too many top picks. Like the Bruins in 2015, if they'd made better picks, they'd be a powerhouse today. That's Gorton's record, not Hughes'. We'll find out this year what impact Timmins had on scouting. Our picks the last 3-4 years have been pretty good and firing him may have been throwing out the baby with the bathwater...or it may have just been housecleaning. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 28, 2022 20:46:56 GMT -5
It seems to me, during his tenure in New York, Gorton hit on the d-men (Miller and Schneider are playing quite well in the NHL and Lundqvist continues to be held in high regard) and frequently missed on the forwards. Some of it could be contextual, granted; but it is certainly interesting to contemplate.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 29, 2022 0:08:52 GMT -5
I have confidence it Gorts, a lot more than MB. But to me, the key is Hughes. I get the sense he is on top of all the prospects, both because his kids are that age and playing the game at a high level, and because as an agent that is his business to identify kids with potential and sign them as clients. The latter is particularly important. I suspect as an agent he was going to a lot more amateur games than most gms and he had his people scouting as well.
So between Gorts and Hughes there will very good discussions of who they want. Something I don't believe MB was capable of.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 29, 2022 11:15:44 GMT -5
I have confidence it Gorts, a lot more than MB. But to me, the key is Hughes. I get the sense he is on top of all the prospects, both because his kids are that age and playing the game at a high level, and because as an agent that is his business to identify kids with potential and sign them as clients. The latter is particularly important. I suspect as an agent he was going to a lot more amateur games than most gms and he had his people scouting as well. So between Gorts and Hughes there will very good discussions of who they want. Something I don't believe MB was capable of. I assume Hughes will be aware of a lot of kids around the tween to mid teen levels because as an agent, you have to know who is coming down the pipe and might make it to the big show and sign them. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 29, 2022 15:18:34 GMT -5
I have confidence it Gorts, a lot more than MB. But to me, the key is Hughes. I get the sense he is on top of all the prospects, both because his kids are that age and playing the game at a high level, and because as an agent that is his business to identify kids with potential and sign them as clients. The latter is particularly important. I suspect as an agent he was going to a lot more amateur games than most gms and he had his people scouting as well. So between Gorts and Hughes there will very good discussions of who they want. Something I don't believe MB was capable of. I agree. Two years from now, how will that translate? He won't be going to as many games or seeing as many prospects (for good reason; there's a lot more to the GM job than just scouting). You HAVE to have a good scouting group and that's not rocket science, so HuGo know that and hopefully will put more focus on it after the draft and in the summer when some time gets freed up and some potential scouts/directors of player personnel become available or consider a move. It's all about improving the organization because all that stuff filters down. I'd love to sit down with Gorton though and ask him about the Rangers scouting record over that time. I wonder if, with hindsight, he'd replace anyone. |
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