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Post by Habit on Apr 14, 2022 10:23:59 GMT -5
I'm just a bit board lately and waiting for the Draft Lottery. My thought was the following if Mtl gets the #1 pick and Arizona get the #3 at minimum:
Flip 2022 picks, so Mtl get's #3 and Flip 2023 #1 Picks.
This way Arizona is guaranteed Shane Wright, Mtl still gets an amazing player and we are basically in the running again for Connor Bedard. I can see Mtl playing well enough next year to be "just" out of the draft lottery and this basically gets us back in the running for the #1 pick. Might have to give one of our 2022 2nd's in that scenario, but Arizona get the best player, thus wins the trade short term.
What are your thoughts if Mtl get the #1 pick?
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Post by frozone on Apr 14, 2022 10:41:05 GMT -5
I'm just a bit board lately and waiting for the Draft Lottery. My thought was the following if Mtl gets the #1 pick and Arizona get the #3 at minimum: Flip 2022 picks, so Mtl get's #3 and Flip 2023 #1 Picks.This way Arizona is guaranteed Shane Wright, Mtl still gets an amazing player and we are basically in the running again for Connor Bedard. I can see Mtl playing well enough next year to be "just" out of the draft lottery and this basically gets us back in the running for the #1 pick. Might have to give one of our 2022 2nd's in that scenario, but Arizona get the best player, thus wins the trade short term. What are your thoughts if Mtl get the #1 pick? Interesting thought. Are you proposing that we trade for the option to flip 2023 picks? Or a definitive flip of the picks? |
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Post by Habit on Apr 14, 2022 11:43:11 GMT -5
I'm just a bit board lately and waiting for the Draft Lottery. My thought was the following if Mtl gets the #1 pick and Arizona get the #3 at minimum: Flip 2022 picks, so Mtl get's #3 and Flip 2023 #1 Picks.This way Arizona is guaranteed Shane Wright, Mtl still gets an amazing player and we are basically in the running again for Connor Bedard. I can see Mtl playing well enough next year to be "just" out of the draft lottery and this basically gets us back in the running for the #1 pick. Might have to give one of our 2022 2nd's in that scenario, but Arizona get the best player, thus wins the trade short term. What are your thoughts if Mtl get the #1 pick? Interesting thought. Are you proposing that we trade for the option to flip 2023 picks? Or a definitive flip of the picks? You need to take a gamble, so its a definite flip of 2023 picks. |
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Post by Scotty D on Apr 14, 2022 15:12:12 GMT -5
I'm just a bit board lately and waiting for the Draft Lottery. My thought was the following if Mtl gets the #1 pick and Arizona get the #3 at minimum: Flip 2022 picks, so Mtl get's #3 and Flip 2023 #1 Picks.This way Arizona is guaranteed Shane Wright, Mtl still gets an amazing player and we are basically in the running again for Connor Bedard. I can see Mtl playing well enough next year to be "just" out of the draft lottery and this basically gets us back in the running for the #1 pick. Might have to give one of our 2022 2nd's in that scenario, but Arizona get the best player, thus wins the trade short term. What are your thoughts if Mtl get the #1 pick? is Arizona going to be that bad again ? Lots can happen in a year and i know that team is garbage but is it really that bleak of an outlook for them ?? |
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Post by folatre on Apr 14, 2022 16:03:48 GMT -5
Arizona is a cap floor team and they will be horrible next season. That is their plan.
For this reason, I do not believe Bill Armstrong would take you up on the interesting proposal you are making. By all accounts, there are a couple generational talents (and maybe one or two other franchise type players) in 2023. So potentially giving up the chance to get a transformational player in 2023 in order to move up two spots in 2022 seems like a gamble the Coyotes should not make.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 14, 2022 16:21:43 GMT -5
Arizona is a cap floor team and they will be horrible next season. That is their plan. For this reason, I do not believe Bill Armstrong would take you up on the interesting proposal you are making. By all accounts, there are a couple generational talents (and maybe one or two other franchise type players) in 2023. So potentially giving up the chance to get a transformational player in 2023 in order to move up two spots in 2022 seems like a gamble the Coyotes should not make. So now I'm going to accuse you of my brain theft...not that there is that much up there to steal. All this pain of dead last and selling off is going to get us what looks like an OK player in Wright. Yippeeeeee |
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Post by PTH on Apr 14, 2022 16:23:22 GMT -5
We take Shane Wright and run.
He and Suzuki will have 5 years difference, it's possible to have a handful of years where both are in their prime, and that would be our window. Hoping that we get a shot at Bedard or someone else, when we have the #1 pick right now, is unlikely to get us a better outcome than an actual 1st overall.
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 14, 2022 16:36:58 GMT -5
I'm just a bit board lately and waiting for the Draft Lottery. My thought was the following if Mtl gets the #1 pick and Arizona get the #3 at minimum: Flip 2022 picks, so Mtl get's #3 and Flip 2023 #1 Picks.This way Arizona is guaranteed Shane Wright, Mtl still gets an amazing player and we are basically in the running again for Connor Bedard. I can see Mtl playing well enough next year to be "just" out of the draft lottery and this basically gets us back in the running for the #1 pick. Might have to give one of our 2022 2nd's in that scenario, but Arizona get the best player, thus wins the trade short term. What are your thoughts if Mtl get the #1 pick? There is no need to do any draft gymnastics, as I truly believe that this team will be in the running for Bedard on their own 'merit'. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 14, 2022 17:05:12 GMT -5
We take Shane Wright and run. He and Suzuki will have 5 years difference, it's possible to have a handful of years where both are in their prime, and that would be our window. Hoping that we get a shot at Bedard or someone else, when we have the #1 pick right now, is unlikely to get us a better outcome than an actual 1st overall. Except....chances are very high we might be getting another Dvorak. I'm almost tempted to trade our first for Laffy. Almost.... |
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Post by PTH on Apr 14, 2022 17:42:27 GMT -5
We take Shane Wright and run. He and Suzuki will have 5 years difference, it's possible to have a handful of years where both are in their prime, and that would be our window. Hoping that we get a shot at Bedard or someone else, when we have the #1 pick right now, is unlikely to get us a better outcome than an actual 1st overall. Except....chances are very high we might be getting another Dvorak. I'm almost tempted to trade our first for Laffy. Almost.... For Lafrenière ? Why not. But I expect Wright to be in the Suzuki-Ryan Nugent Hopkins type: a #1 center if needed, could be a #2. If we end up with the equivalent to a Bergeron-Kreiji setup at center, I'll be thrilled. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 14, 2022 17:51:59 GMT -5
Except....chances are very high we might be getting another Dvorak. I'm almost tempted to trade our first for Laffy. Almost.... For Lafrenière ? Why not. But I expect Wright to be in the Suzuki-Ryan Nugent Hopkins type: a #1 center if needed, could be a #2. If we end up with the equivalent to a Bergeron-Kreiji setup at center, I'll be thrilled. Given all the connections, I can see this as a real possibility. Then make an offer for Dubois. There is a window of absolute jaw dropping off season. Or not. As for Wright, I don't know. There is all kinds of "he can be" but no "he will be". |
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Post by folatre on Apr 14, 2022 20:00:42 GMT -5
I hope the Habs win the lottery and pick Wright, not because he is McDavid or Matthews but because centre is still a glaring issue for the organization and he may well be better than Dvorak from day one in the league. However, if in all likelihood Montreal is picking in the 2-4 range, there will still be player with great talent waiting.
There are going to be a bunch of teams tanking for Bedard. I believe Montreal will be a bad team in 2022-23, but I think it is unlikely the Habs will be bottom three bad two seasons in a row.
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Post by frozone on Apr 14, 2022 20:26:10 GMT -5
The odds of us getting Wright are low, likely somewhere around 10-12% percent. So we will have to get "lucky" to get the top pick. To then trade that pick in hopes that more luck lies around the corner next season? That's a lot of luck that needs to go our way.
Taking luck out of the equation though...
No trade: we're likely to pick in the 2-4 spot this year, and I'll guess 8-10 spot next year.
Trade: we're likely to pick in the 2-4 spot this year, and the 2-4 spot next year.
So yes, I would do the trade. Next year's draft is a nice looking one, and I don't think there's a huge dropoff between Wright and Cooley for example in this year's draft. It also allows the Habs to focus on winning again, which is important. I personally hate tanking. Another full season of wanting to lose? No thanks!
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 14, 2022 22:54:53 GMT -5
Habs problem has been thermo have never gone back to back seasons top 3 bad. I think after picking 3rd the last few times they squeaked into the playoffs each time after. I would prefer 2 to 3 bad seasons and build it back up with higher quality talent.
I know there is no guarantees and can look at Buffalo and New Jersey as examples but I'd prefer a McDavid Drasital or Marner Matthews combo order a team that scrapes in each year.
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Post by folatre on Apr 15, 2022 5:23:44 GMT -5
The odds of us getting Wright are low, likely somewhere around 10-12% percent. So we will have to get "lucky" to get the top pick. To then trade that pick in hopes that more luck lies around the corner next season? That's a lot of luck that needs to go our way. Taking luck out of the equation though... No trade: we're likely to pick in the 2-4 spot this year, and I'll guess 8-10 spot next year. Trade: we're likely to pick in the 2-4 spot this year, and the 2-4 spot next year. So yes, I would do the trade. Next year's draft is a nice looking one, and I don't think there's a huge dropoff between Wright and Cooley for example in this year's draft. It also allows the Habs to focus on winning again, which is important. I personally hate tanking. Another full season of wanting to lose? No thanks! For sure, I concur with this. It would be ideal to try to find a trade partner willing to give up a non-lottery-protected 2023. But the bad teams from the 2021-22 season are not going to do that because they all expect (or reasonably fear) being bad again in 2022-23. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 15, 2022 14:31:40 GMT -5
With the draft in montreal, if we get the 1st overall, no way it gets traded unless a super sweetheart deal gets offered
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