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Post by drkcloud on Aug 18, 2022 13:15:00 GMT -5
No details on what's going back yet
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Post by folatre on Aug 18, 2022 13:35:50 GMT -5
This is major cap dump, so it certainly reasons Calgary will have to give up a nice asset. It appears the Flames could not bury Monahan on LTIR because medically he will supposedly be cleared to play around December.
However, Montreal has notable cap issues of its own to sort out. This move may suggest that management knows Price and perhaps also Byron are done.
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 18, 2022 13:43:11 GMT -5
This is major cap dump, so it certainly reasons Calgary will have to give up a nice asset. It appears the Flames could not bury Monahan on LTIR because medically he will supposedly be cleared to play around December. However, Montreal has notable cap issues of its own to sort out. This move may suggest that management knows Price and perhaps also Byron are done. Lots of speculation that Calgary's first is coming back. And I agree, unless there is another team or assets involved, signals Price is done for at least the coming year |
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 18, 2022 13:53:59 GMT -5
Looming at his stats his game has fallen off a cliff, but his first 4 or 5 seasons he was around 30 goals a season guy.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 18, 2022 14:21:59 GMT -5
Something is peculiar about this. I guess Hughes really wanted their first rounder next year
Monahan is a center. And I don't recall him ever playing on the wing.
This was a salary dump for Calgary so we won't be sending anything back to make cap room for us.
So we have magical room for this 6.3M AAV, but still haven't signed Kirby Dach. So we are now 6 million over the cap, without having Dach signed, so really about 10 million over ...
Aye yi yi
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 14:43:53 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 14:45:00 GMT -5
Flames and Kadri agree to 7x7...
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 14:59:28 GMT -5
Monahan deal might be part of another trade with the Preds
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 18, 2022 14:59:32 GMT -5
Something is peculiar about this. I guess Hughes really wanted their first rounder next year Monahan is a center. And I don't recall him ever playing on the wing. This was a salary dump for Calgary so we won't be sending anything back to make cap room for us. So we have magical room for this 6.3M AAV, but still haven't signed Kirby Dach. So we are now 6 million over the cap, without having Dach signed, so really about 10 million over ... Aye yi yi Monahan will be on the IR until Dec with hip surgery. Byron will start on the IR with hip issues as well. Contract of Drouin and Price might go on IR when season starts? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 15:07:12 GMT -5
Something is peculiar about this. I guess Hughes really wanted their first rounder next year Monahan is a center. And I don't recall him ever playing on the wing. This was a salary dump for Calgary so we won't be sending anything back to make cap room for us. So we have magical room for this 6.3M AAV, but still haven't signed Kirby Dach. So we are now 6 million over the cap, without having Dach signed, so really about 10 million over ... Aye yi yi Monahan will be on the IR until Dec with hip surgery. Byron will start on the IR with hip issues as well. Contract of Drouin and Price might go on IR when season starts? 25 mill on IR... are we the Lightning? |
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 18, 2022 15:11:16 GMT -5
Monahan will be on the IR until Dec with hip surgery. Byron will start on the IR with hip issues as well. Contract of Drouin and Price might go on IR when season starts? 25 mill on IR... are we the Lightning? I've seen Drouin play, And Drouin ain't no Kucherov.. Wonder if Hughes has a deal to dump Hoff, Drouin, Armia or others. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 15:13:34 GMT -5
25 mill on IR... are we the Lightning? I've seen Drouin play, And Drouin ain't no Kucherov.. Wonder if Hughes has a deal to dump Hoff, Drouin, Armia or others. Hughes would be my hero if he moved all 3 |
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Post by jkr on Aug 18, 2022 15:19:11 GMT -5
Flames and Kadri agree to 7x7... That's a lot of term for a guy that will turn 32 in early October. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 18, 2022 15:22:37 GMT -5
Flames and Kadri agree to 7x7... That's a lot of term for a guy that will turn 32 in early October. Yep but treliving doesn't want to work in one of his pops pizza joints so he's trying to save his job... the next gm can deal with the bad contracts |
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 18, 2022 15:37:00 GMT -5
That's a lot of term for a guy that will turn 32 in early October. Yep but treliving doesn't want to work in one of his pops pizza joints so he's trying to save his job... the next gm can deal with the bad contracts Right out of the MB playbook. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 18, 2022 15:37:52 GMT -5
Moneyham to Habs is fine when a first is attached to it.
No need to speculate if Price is done if this is deal is real.
LTIR is the new early retirement pension plan. Too bad Greeks didn't know about it...
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 18, 2022 16:14:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't this be something.. a 1st now and another 1st at the deadline.. I know, long ways away but still..
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 18, 2022 16:19:43 GMT -5
I'm more than happy to take Monahan off Triv's hands with a 1st. But is Calgary that much better in essence tradings Gaud, Tchuk, and Mon for Kadri and Hubby, and some other pieces. If you had asked a Flames fan 6 months ago if they'd be happy with that, I think the vast majority would have said no way.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 18, 2022 16:53:53 GMT -5
Confirmed. A conditional 1st round pick in 2025 and Monahan for future considerations.
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Post by PTH on Aug 18, 2022 16:58:07 GMT -5
So... either
1) Price is done, or at least not starting the season
2) Another move is pending. Anderson, Dvorak, Hoffman?
3) Hughes is betting he can figure this out on the fly, and 1st is worth bruising the ego of Armia by spending him down for cap savings (for example)
4) Allen is out ( though that wouldn't free enough cap on its own)
I love the idea of getting Monahan: he coukd be a great rental after a bounce back season, and if doesn't bounce back, he's out the door in 82 games...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 18, 2022 17:02:10 GMT -5
The conditions attached to this deal are mind boggling. No wonder it took hours to finalize.
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Post by PTH on Aug 18, 2022 17:04:25 GMT -5
I'm reading the conditions... and, wow.
I used to write contracts for a living and I'm not getting "this is clear and well-written" vibes...
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Post by PTH on Aug 18, 2022 18:00:12 GMT -5
Best explanation :
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Post by seventeen on Aug 18, 2022 18:01:43 GMT -5
The other thing I like about Hughes' philosophy is that he's trading with teams for their first round picks several years in the future. Calgary is a definite SC contender next year, but what will they look like in 2025. Treliving knows what's coming as evidenced by that one clause in the trade where "if Calgary's pick becomes the first overall pick (through the lottery), then Calgary keeps their pick and Habs get something else. Treliving is actually considering the possibility of the Flames missing the playoffs in 2025. If you want to contend on an continuing basis, you have to have great scouting and development. The more picks you have, the better the odds you're giving your scouts.
I also love that Hughes keeps refuting Bergevin's credos. Can't get centres? Hold my beer. Can't use Cap space? Hold my shot. Other teams were picking up quality assets while Bergie was hunting down Armia. What a doofus.
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 18, 2022 18:03:32 GMT -5
So I guess Price won't be playing. At least it's settled
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Post by seventeen on Aug 18, 2022 18:04:17 GMT -5
Thanks Paul! Not legal language, but that's exactly why it's easy to understand. |
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Post by PTH on Aug 18, 2022 18:06:51 GMT -5
The best scenario for us is both Florida and Calgary doing badly in 2024-25, we could end up with a 2nd overall!
I'm not seeing any great value in taking the 2024 pick, TBH.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 18, 2022 18:08:25 GMT -5
So I guess Price won't be playing. At least it's settled So I guess Hughes is maximizing the payroll to get it as close to the CAP after all the injured players are put on LTIR. At least until the trade deadline and then we free up some actual CAP space. Maybe. I haven't given much thought to the ramifications of CAP space when players come off LTIR. That must be why I'm watching less hockey. It's become a math exercise. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 18, 2022 18:10:22 GMT -5
The best scenario for us is both Florida and Calgary doing badly in 2024-25, we could end up with a 2nd overall! I'm not seeing any great value in taking the 2024 pick, TBH. Not unless, through some strange voodoo, it ends up being in the lottery. You don't usually get two good draft years in a row, so with 2023 being strong, there's a good chance Habs opt for 2025. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 18, 2022 18:14:43 GMT -5
So, Florida's 2025 is top ten protected from a previous deal. And there is no scenario where Calgary would have 2 picks in the top ten in 2025?
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