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Post by Cranky on Aug 20, 2022 14:08:38 GMT -5
Price...go away. Thank you but now you need to get out of the picture.
We have Allen and Sieve, aka Montehole. Fine but we need to look at 3 years ahead and a top 10 goalie.
Primeau does not give me a top 10 vibe and maybe not even a top 30 starter. It's the last year of passing through waivers and if he's not NHL ready by next year, he's gone.
So...do we target a young goalie through trade? Wait? Waffle? Or worry?
BTW..Oettinger is out there as RFA but the first we have to give up is our first. Not worth a top five draft even though there is the possibility of oettinger being Price at 23.
Thoughts?
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 20, 2022 19:44:25 GMT -5
I don't think do. Remember goalies don't cost much to acquire in trade. So when we're are finished rebuilding we can evaluate where our prospects are. I personally think we have a couple goalies in the pipeline not named Primeau that are promising. I think NWT can give a more thorough review on them. Also it's all about who gets hot at the right time.
There are maybe 2 or 3, goalies in the league that are consistent year after year. Vasilevsky, Hellybuck, Markstrom?
Goalies that have yet to prove multiple seasons; Saros, Demko, Sheskertin, Sorokin?
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Post by folatre on Aug 20, 2022 21:13:16 GMT -5
Yes, I think it is likely Montreal will need an 'external' solution in net. However, I do not believe it is something that needs to be addressed this season and, unless a nice trade falls in management's lap, perhaps not even next summer.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 20, 2022 21:38:38 GMT -5
Yup, the team needs a goalie. But not yet. Allen/Montembeault are good for the “plan” next year. Management needs to figure out if Price is done and what happens to his contract first. This will be an issue until it isn’t.
As for Primeau…not sold yet. He needs a very good year in Laval this year. Dobeš and Dichow look promising, but are several years away at the earliest. Will there be goalies available if there is no rush? Likely. I don’t see this as a current priority for HuGo…yet.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 21, 2022 16:40:08 GMT -5
I love the thinking here. It's all about being ready in 3-4 years. Forget this year and next. Help the kids develop and give them ice time Just like a nice recipe. Then we let it bake.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 21, 2022 19:46:47 GMT -5
Yup, the team needs a goalie. But not yet. Allen/Montembeault are good for the “plan” next year. Management needs to figure out if Price is done and what happens to his contract first. This will be an issue until it isn’t. As for Primeau…not sold yet. He needs a very good year in Laval this year. Dobeš and Dichow look promising, but are several years away at the earliest. Will there be goalies available if there is no rush? Likely. I don’t see this as a current priority for HuGo…yet. It takes 3-4 years to marinate a goalie...and we got no prime beef. The odds of Primeau as a starter? Only be default. The odds of Primeau being top 10? At this point, highly unlikely. Up to now, I thought that there was a slim chance in hell that Price was a 40 game starter for a few more years, now, that's dead and gone. So now there is no more questions about the hole we have. If HuGo don't act now, then they need to be active and sign a FA. Not going to be cheap or anywhere near top 10. Those go for several million, which just wiped out most of what we saved on Price. WIHTOUT any guarantee that we actually have a top 10. If we didn't have a likely top 5 pick, I would be ungently screaming for an Oettinger offer sheet. If you can't make them...steal them.  |
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 22, 2022 8:49:06 GMT -5
Yes, we need a goalie--eventually.
Would sure be nice to have at least one in the system to be ready 4 or more years down the road...but this group doesn't need an out-of-the-gate phenom who will--once again--artificially raise the team to the draft table's No Man's Land.
Been there, done that...we need "the players".
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 22, 2022 10:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by habsburgher on Aug 23, 2022 14:43:43 GMT -5
What about Varlamov?
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2022 17:20:16 GMT -5
35 years old. Need a young goalie that will mature when we contend. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2022 18:37:32 GMT -5
I like Ullmark and I think Boston will have to move him in order to lock Swayman up long-term next summer and re-sign Pastrnak. The big Swede just turned 29 and there are not any injury red-flags. Unfortunately, I believe a lot of teams hunting for a goalie next summer will be chatting with Don Sweeney and the Bruins would probably prefer not to deal him within the division, let alone to Montreal.
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Post by Habit on Aug 23, 2022 19:51:35 GMT -5
35 years old. Need a young goalie that will mature when we contend. I think we missed the boat with a few that moved this summer: - Ville Husso - 26 years old and would have been in his prime in 2-3 years when the core comes of age.
- Alexandar Georgiev - 25 years old would have been here for a decade.
- Jake Oettinger - 23 years old with Holtby/Khudobin/Wedgewood in front of him.
- Carter Heart - 23 years old but not living up to teh potential in Philly. Buy low?
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2022 21:02:07 GMT -5
35 years old. Need a young goalie that will mature when we contend. I think we missed the boat with a few that moved this summer: - Ville Husso - 26 years old and would have been in his prime in 2-3 years when the core comes of age.
- Alexandar Georgiev - 25 years old would have been here for a decade.
- Jake Oettinger - 23 years old with Holtby/Khudobin/Wedgewood in front of him.
- Carter Heart - 23 years old but not living up to teh potential in Philly. Buy low?
We missed the boat because once again, Price played with his maye he will, maybe he won't spinner. All about him. First I would of signed Samsonov over Monte The Sieve and went after Oettinger. A second would of been a steal. In one swoop, we got better, made Allen available and most important...Price who? |
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 23, 2022 23:29:18 GMT -5
Oettinger is no way behind those listed on Dallas. Je isn't going anywhere, not even a second. Samsonov was my pick. The Leafs got him for a steal
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Post by Cranky on Aug 24, 2022 0:01:08 GMT -5
The only concern i have about Samsonov is what is between his ears.
Habs are going to have an epic sieve on defense. It needs a super self confident goalie that wont fall apart when one goes in from a defensive error pr bad tending.
Would Sammy shake it off or fall apart? We know that Monty/Allen have come back from beer league games.
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Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2022 13:37:08 GMT -5
Samsonov is athletic and checks a lot of the boxes. But he sure seems to have trouble tracking the puck and this made him susceptible to giving up what Caps fans classified as too many soft goals.
I do not believe Oettinger was ever available. Dallas was just getting him some work in the AHL to start his pro career and also gradually clearing out the vets ahead of him on the organizational depth chart.
I would not have minded Husso or Georgiev. I think they can be effective tandem starters in the league. Though I am not sure how much upside there is because the sample size for Husso is very small and Georgiev has not really performed at a high level the last couple of seasons.
The Flyers are well on their way to wrecking Hart. I would be intrigued to see what he could do with a change of scenery. But he was a high pick and their management (and fans) believe in his potential, so for practical purposes I doubt he is really all that available.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2022 13:49:36 GMT -5
I think we missed the boat with a few that moved this summer: - Ville Husso - 26 years old and would have been in his prime in 2-3 years when the core comes of age.
- Alexandar Georgiev - 25 years old would have been here for a decade.
- Jake Oettinger - 23 years old with Holtby/Khudobin/Wedgewood in front of him.
- Carter Heart - 23 years old but not living up to teh potential in Philly. Buy low?
We missed the boat because once again, Price played with his maye he will, maybe he won't spinner. All about him. First I would of signed Samsonov over Monte The Sieve and went after Oettinger. A second would of been a steal. In one swoop, we got better, made Allen available and most important...Price who? With that uncertainty over Price's status and the rest of the dog's breakfast of contracts Hughes has to stickhandle around, I'm not sure it was possible to try and solve the goaltending issue last year. Anyway, there are 4 developing goalie kids and if none pan out, then a trade or UFA scenario comes into play. Cleaning up the CAP 'balance sheet' so to speak is likely a higher priority for Hughes (and Molson). PS. Frankly, in a year with a deep and strong draft along with 2 first round picks, I don't mind having inconsistent goaltending. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 24, 2022 15:31:56 GMT -5
Yup, the team needs a goalie. But not yet. Allen/Montembeault are good for the “plan” next year. Management needs to figure out if Price is done and what happens to his contract first. This will be an issue until it isn’t. As for Primeau…not sold yet. He needs a very good year in Laval this year. Dobeš and Dichow look promising, but are several years away at the earliest. Will there be goalies available if there is no rush? Likely. I don’t see this as a current priority for HuGo…yet. It takes 3-4 years to marinate a goalie...and we got no prime beef. The odds of Primeau as a starter? Only be default. The odds of Primeau being top 10? At this point, highly unlikely. Up to now, I thought that there was a slim chance in hell that Price was a 40 game starter for a few more years, now, that's dead and gone. So now there is no more questions about the hole we have. If HuGo don't act now, then they need to be active and sign a FA. Not going to be cheap or anywhere near top 10. Those go for several million, which just wiped out most of what we saved on Price. WIHTOUT any guarantee that we actually have a top 10. If we didn't have a likely top 5 pick, I would be ungently screaming for an Oettinger offer sheet. If you can't make them...steal them. Not sure about the baking time for an NHL goalie, Rogatien Vachon made the jump from Juniors and Ken Dryden won a cup out of college prior to his rookie season. they all are different but confidence plays a big part, |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 24, 2022 17:11:12 GMT -5
I’d argue we need TWO goalies.
But I’m probably one of the very few who would be quite happy and comfortable seeing Cayden Primeau in net for 55 games. If we can’t have one CP, might as well go with another
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 24, 2022 19:12:14 GMT -5
It's definitely a two tender league. Gone are the days of aa goalie playing 70 games year.
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Post by Douper on Aug 25, 2022 18:00:42 GMT -5
Right now we need 2 goalies who max out at 850 save percentage. We need our forwards to play creative hockey, our dmen need to learn how to move the puck and our 2 goalies need to be sub par. We need Bedard or Mishkov
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Post by folatre on Aug 25, 2022 18:10:30 GMT -5
I hear you, man. Getting a generational talent would be ideal. And it looks as though there are a few incredible consolation prizes (Fantilli, Allen, Dvorsky, etc.) as well.
In the league today, starting 55-60 games is essentially a stand alone number one. Granted, it is vitally important for teams with playoff aspirations to win games when the backup plays.
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