Chychrun

[Willie Dog]

Should HuGo try to land Chychrun, the asking price is 2 1sts and a prospect which is steep but having him for this year and 2 more at 4.6M is a deal... if only he was a RHD

[Cranky]

WAY too steep and not needed now. Worse, when he hits FA, he's a 10 million dollar man and that's not going to be possible if we want Dubois and keep CC.

[folatre]

Chychrun is a nice young d-man, but the ask is too steep for a guy who is injury prone and not really elite. I would pass.

However, Armstrong will probably get what he is asking because top four d-men with term on a manageable contract are generally just not available and some GM with a win-now mandate will see Chychrun as the missing piece.

[seventeen]

Definitely not giving him our firsts. Some team in the 25-32 expected draft range might do that, but I think Chychrun is overrated because of the buzz. He had one good year in the shortened Covid 56 game season where the divisions were weird. Last season...0.45 ppg and -20. He's clearly a decent defenseman, but is he even a top pair man? I haven't seen him play, so need to take that into account, but the stats don't seem to warrant it. Basically, Armstrong is playing on other GM's desperation, which is not a bad strategy (Hughes uses it well).

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Pass ...

[NWTHabsFan]

Interesting. Clarke is a decent piece in the return. I expect the Yotes would get a fair bit more too.

[jkr]

Friedman was reporting yesterday that Chychrun was being held out of games now. Deal must be close.

[folatre]

The Kings' rebuild was not overly long (three seasons of stinking) but they definitely restocked the prospect pool and, in reality, they are in a good position to put some chips in for a coveted d-man like Chychrun.

One would assume the package would be Clarke, the Kings 2023 first rounder, and a good young NHL forward or forward prospect.

The Kings were one of the teams (Rangers were another and that is not happening now) that I have long thought could have been inclined to get involved on Edmundson. It is looking more and more like Edmundson will be traded anytime from after the season ends until the 2024 trade dealine.

[Andrew]

It feels like Chychrun's name has been out there forever in trade rumors. Just get something done already Arizona.

[jkr]

Chychrun is only 24 with 2 years left at 4.6 after this season. Why do they want to deal him?

[Willie Dog]

Feb 13, 2023 16:05:44 GMT -5 jkr said:

Chychrun is only 24 with 2 years left at 4.6 after this season. Why do they want to deal him?

I think...

they can get a boatload for him

by the time they are ready to be a cup competitor he'll be close to 30

They want to keep costs down in the short term

[seventeen]

Feb 13, 2023 18:12:17 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Feb 13, 2023 16:05:44 GMT -5 jkr said:

Chychrun is only 24 with 2 years left at 4.6 after this season. Why do they want to deal him?

I think...

they can get a boatload for him

by the time they are ready to be a cup competitor he'll be close to 30

They want to keep costs down in the short term

Yeah, same reason we're doing what we're doing. In Chychrun's case, he's being overvalued (IMO) and because of that, Armstrong is drooling to trade him, despite the age and contract. It'll help the tank too. Guy has an injury history, though. Caveat emptor.

[folatre]

I agree, Chychrun is being overvalued, so it is plausible that Armstrong is merely being tempted by the attraction of 'selling high.' But Arizona is the definition of a dysfunctional franchise, so there are plenty of reasons to assume this is just another chapter in heading off the not so distant future when this player will require a much more lucrative contract to retain his services.

Dvorak was a young respectable 2C for a losing team and not on an onerous contract, and yet they traded him for two magic beans that may never amount to anything. And he, apparently, really liked being a member of their ogranization.

My sense is management, in a totally rudderless organization, perceives it is possible to squeeze 5-7 years of job security out of constructing a lengthy (i.e. no timetable for winning) rebuild while placating ownership and their accountants from freaking out by keeping the club at the cap floor (with actual salary outlays well below that figure).

[Tankdriver]

They are looking to trade him for 2 reasons.

First is he has a limited no trade clause kicking in at the end of the year and second it doesn't fit in with their time-line. In two years when they will be good, he'll be a free agent. So they are trying to build around Cooley and possibly Mathews.

[seventeen]

Feb 13, 2023 22:14:25 GMT -5 folatre said:

Dvorak was a young respectable 2C for a losing team and not on an onerous contract, and yet they traded him for two magic beans that may never amount to anything. And he, apparently, really liked being a member of their ogranization.

One of those magic beans (the other is a 2024 2nd rounder) is Filip Bystedt, a right hand centre for Linkopings (I always loved that name) in the Swedish top league. He has a respectable 15 points in 34 games, which for a just turned 19 year old isn't bad at all. Frankly, I'd probably trade Dvorak for him straight up right now (yeah, I'm a river boat gambler). Nineteen...15 points in a league where coaches don't play youngsters much, 6'3", 187 lbs. There's another kid who is 11 months younger, with virtually the same numbers in the SHL, who is considered a top 3 pick in this year's draft....a Leo Carlsson. Ok they're not the same, but Bystedt is looking like a decent return for Dvorak. Thanks Marc. (I say that a lot)

[seventeen]

Feb 14, 2023 0:39:33 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

They are looking to trade him for 2 reasons.

First is he has a limited no trade clause kicking in at the end of the year and second it doesn't fit in with their time-line. In two years when they will be good, he'll be a free agent. So they are trying to build around Cooley and possibly Mathews.

Thanks. That adds some extra ammo to what folatre said. Arizona must feel he isn't re-signing with them, so it's PL Dubois time. Except Winnipeg is contending so needs to keep PLD.