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Post by Cranky on Dec 4, 2022 19:37:43 GMT -5
Ohh nooo..Price is a hunter and gun advocate! Cancel him! Price came out solidly against this gun restriction theater. In fact, in Greece, I own the same type of shotgun he's carrying. I go wild hog hunting and if the first slug doesn't take them down, it's nice to have a few more rounds available. They will gore you and EAT YOU. It's semi auto with 5 rounds including the chamber. It is NOT on the current agenda of banning but it's semi-auto which Trudeau and his propaganda media has made sure "semi-auto" sounds like military weapon type. Skill testing question... if you have a gun license you can buy any kind of gun. The above is completely false. If you don't know how restrictive current gun legislation is in Ontario, with multiple and more restrictive liscence for restricted firearms, plus the level of safety measures, please don't guess an opinion. toronto.citynews.ca/2022/12/04/canadiens-carey-price-trudeau-gun/ |
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Post by PTH on Dec 5, 2022 21:03:42 GMT -5
You're missing the point.
It's 10% off for 14 women killed (and a survivor died by suicide a few days later)
The pro-gun association he is unconditionally backing just had a promotion with the keyword "Poly", referring to the massacre of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989. There have been commemorative celebrations many, many times at the Bell Centre, yet Price's only excuse for his tone-deaf comment was that he was unaware of this historical event. In other words, he lived in Montreal, but DGAF about anything happening in town, even in the rink he was playing in.
The anniversary is tomorrow.
This might not matter to non-Montrealers, but anyone who is 35 or over remembers that day if they lived in Montreal.
Carey significantly tarnished his legacy.
10% off for 14 dead women !
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Post by HABsurd on Dec 5, 2022 22:25:09 GMT -5
You're missing the point. It's 10% off for 14 women killed (and a survivor died by suicide a few days later) The pro-gun association he is unconditionally backing just had a promotion with the keyword "Poly", referring to the massacre of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989. There have been commemorative celebrations many, many times at the Bell Centre, yet Price's only excuse for his tone-deaf comment was that he was unaware of this historical event. In other words, he lived in Montreal, but DGAF about anything happening in town, even in the rink he was playing in. The anniversary is tomorrow. This might not matter to non-Montrealers, but anyone who is 35 or over remembers that day if they lived in Montreal. Carey significantly tarnished his legacy. 10% off for 14 dead women ! It is an astounding statement by Price, given that the Polytechnique Massacre has been commenerated every year since in the opening ceremony before Montreal Canadiens games. As an aside semi-auto shotguns, like the one that Price is holding, are not banned in the amendments to Bill C-21. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 5, 2022 22:31:25 GMT -5
You're missing the point. It's 10% off for 14 women killed (and a survivor died by suicide a few days later) The pro-gun association he is unconditionally backing just had a promotion with the keyword "Poly", referring to the massacre of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989. There have been commemorative celebrations many, many times at the Bell Centre, yet Price's only excuse for his tone-deaf comment was that he was unaware of this historical event. In other words, he lived in Montreal, but DGAF about anything happening in town, even in the rink he was playing in. The anniversary is tomorrow. This might not matter to non-Montrealers, but anyone who is 35 or over remembers that day if they lived in Montreal. Carey significantly tarnished his legacy. 10% off for 14 dead women ! It is an astounding statement by Price, given that the Polytechnique Massacre has been commenerated every year since in the opening ceremony before Montreal Canadiens games. As an aside semi-auto shotguns, like the one that Price is holding, are not banned in the amendments to Bill C-21. Frankly, the strictly gun-related aspect of this isn't something I'm knowledgeable about, and I've seen claims both ways about his gun. But his timing and his tone-deafness couldn't be worse. This is Montreal's Columbine. For someone to be pro-gun rights and not be aware of this after 14 years in town says a lot (none of it good) about him. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 5, 2022 22:41:34 GMT -5
I'm taken aback that this group thinks using the word POLY as a discount code is OK. Referencing a massacre to save money?
They sound like brainless trolls.
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Post by PTH on Dec 5, 2022 22:54:28 GMT -5
It appears they were in a dispute with the gun-control group named after the massacre, and lost focus using that as a discount code. It was classless and clueless, but likely not downright evil (ie, this isn't Alex Jones territory).
The fact that Carey's defense is that he didn't know anything about that tragedy makes him look...... not good.
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Post by franko on Dec 5, 2022 23:00:28 GMT -5
It is an astounding statement by Price, given that the Polytechnique Massacre has been commenerated every year since in the opening ceremony before Montreal Canadiens games. I may be being petty, but I think "commemorate" may not be the best word . . . "remembered" may be better. back to regular programming. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 3:54:13 GMT -5
Price made the statement last Saturday. If he says anything next Saturday, "it's only x days since". If it's a month from now, "as an ex Montreal player". His timing should of been earlier but that's not going to matter to those that want to hold the Polytechnique event as an excuse for theatrical gun control. Not diminishing the tragedy in any way, but it is soiled by politicians for obvious political gain. The issue that he has, as do I, is that it's going law abiding gun owners that has absolutely nothing to do with public safety other then political theater. In fact, the same Liberal party also introduced a bill that REDUCES sentences for gun crimes. Think about that. All politics, all the time....selling political theater of "doing something" by going after law abiding gun owners and NO real action on stopping bikers, truckers and indigenous border communities from flooding the streets with guns. BTW...how do I know about guns and trucks? I drove one in university and one had to be blind not to see truckers unloading boxes of handguns from underneath trailers. See something say something..would get you a few bullets in the head by bikers. More fun facts...I found a brown bag with two handguns in my cab as a "present" to keep my mouth shut. Since they were "used" and of unknown "heritage", they were promptly sledgehammered, wiped and donated to the Saint Lawrence river gun depository. I could of made $300-$400 by selling them, serious money back then, but I preffer not to be known as JailAddict. War stories aside, I don't think people understand the level of stupid political theater this has become. You are NOT safer. Even if you confiscate every single legally firearm, you have not touched hundreds of thousands of illegal guns floating in the streets...and in the worst hands imaginable. torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-reducing-sentencing-requirements-for-serious-gun-crimes |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 6:39:35 GMT -5
Dec 5, right on que, here is the REAL problem that doesn't sit well with the Drama Teachers political theater...or anyone who wants to argue they feel safer by confiscating legal firearms from responsible citizens. Note...ONE GUN was stolen in Canada. ONE. The rest were smuggled from the States. Rinse and repeat this thousands of times over the years, www.tps.ca/media-centre/stories/guns-seized-before-sold-on-streets/ |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 7:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 6, 2022 8:53:38 GMT -5
A few random thoughts. I am a Qc'er, over 35 and don't remember the incident in question. Does that make me a bad guy? Also, I am not a gun owner, not looking to be one but I do have friends and family that do own them. They are not happy. Especially those that have their guns registered. They feel that the are going to lose tons of money now because they are going to be considered illegal. Some are used in hunting, some are WW1 relics. Like Cranky says, the problem isn't the guns you know about. It's the ones you don't. The bad guys aren't going to display that information.
Another thought. People kill people. They just choose the instrument to facilitate that task. If could be a knife, a vehicle, fire, missile, chemical, biological, nuclear, baseball bat, etc or even ones hands. I am sure there are more ways...
As usual, media driven to send a message out to the world.
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 9:39:25 GMT -5
I don't know what this means for gun control, but I think people here might underestimate how completely out of touch Carey Price is showing himself to be. He's just proven clearly he was never an actual Montrealer despite making a gazillion bucks over more than a decade here.
Retiring his jersey is a non-starter for me. That's how bad this is for his image.
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Post by HABsurd on Dec 6, 2022 10:32:52 GMT -5
It is an astounding statement by Price, given that the Polytechnique Massacre has been commenerated every year since in the opening ceremony before Montreal Canadiens games. I may be being petty, but I think "commemorate" may not be the best word . . . "remembered" may be better. back to regular programming. Via Cambridge dictionary commemorate: to remember officially and give respect to a great person or event, especially by a public ceremony or by making a statue or special building: e.g. Gathered all together in this church, we commemorate those who lost their lives in the war. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 10:59:48 GMT -5
It keeps on getting better: Carey just admitted he knew about the tragedy, and lied about it.
I'm guessing yesterday he thought not being aware somehow was a better answer... ?
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2022 11:02:20 GMT -5
I may be being petty, but I think "commemorate" may not be the best word . . . "remembered" may be better. back to regular programming. Via Cambridge dictionary commemorate: to remember officially and give respect to a great person or event, especially by a public ceremony or by making a statue or special building: e.g. Gathered all together in this church, we commemorate those who lost their lives in the war. tru dat, but "commemorate" is usually thought of as remembering a positive thing (not that losing a life in a war is positive, but it was for a great cause). Polytechnique was not positive. I know, semantics. my apologies. |
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2022 11:04:49 GMT -5
It keeps on getting better: Carey just admitted he knew about the tragedy, and lied about it. I'm guessing yesterday he thought not being aware somehow was a better answer... ? it was a dolt move, all the way around. him, the "promotion" . . . but C-21 is still a bad bill. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 11:17:31 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way.
It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it.
The guy has proven to be selfish trash.
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2022 11:29:06 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. yup. the problem with the bill (I guess I'm arguing) is that it was originally a bill about hand-guns that was amended (out of the blue, say many) to include long guns, and a long list of those. appeasing the voters in the big cities, creating an urban-rural divide? I don't trust politicians, think it's always about trying to get enough votes for "next time", but I'd like to think that isn't it. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2022 12:24:55 GMT -5
I never expected Price to be back but this incident may expedite his departure.
He knew the entire tragic story yet did not think that perhaps he should run it by a skilled communicator like Chantal Machabee in order to advise him. Instead we see a lame explanation that turned out to be a lie.
It's very disappointing when someone turns out to be nothing like the person you thought they were.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 6, 2022 13:01:16 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 13:22:47 GMT -5
Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Glad we agree he's being selfish. His lack of interest in the city he lived in is now editorial news all over. None of it is complimentary. I'm sure McKinnon could make jokes about Columbine and they'd go over just as well, though. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2022 13:59:06 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Can't agree entirely about that. My family left Montreal for Ontario in the late 70s. I see it discussed here and I have seen vigils on this date. They are small groups, yes, but this date is comemmorated. |
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2022 17:08:30 GMT -5
Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Can't agree entirely about that. My family left Montreal for Ontario in the late 70s. I see it discussed here and I have seen vigils on this date. They are small groups, yes, but this date is comemmorated. for sure. it's still national news, and it's still remembered across the country, though lesser than in QC. memories are waning as days go by but the generation bring it to the forefront every year. and moves like the gun rights group made will keep tearing at the scab. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 18:25:43 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Of course I know about it but didn't directly associate the date to the tragedy. Obviously many did in Quebec and of course it was intended to be political. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 18:46:12 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. yup. the problem with the bill (I guess I'm arguing) is that it was originally a bill about hand-guns that was amended (out of the blue, say many) to include long guns, and a long list of those. appeasing the voters in the big cities, creating an urban-rural divide? I don't trust politicians, think it's always about trying to get enough votes for "next time", but I'd like to think that isn't it. That's exactly what happened. Trudeau and company sold the first part to the gun fearing voters and decided all by themselves to make all the guns illegal piecemeal. It does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to reduce gun violence in cities because to do that, it goes straight up against some minorities that are involved in it, (blacks and gangs, indigenous and gun running), so it's pure political theater for mostly liberal voting city dwellers that don't know the difference, educated on the subject and/or the root source of guns involved in violence. To a city dwellers, all guns are evil... Once again, like targeting the unvaxxed, Trudeau is deliberatly using divisive tactics. He knows city dwellers don't know much about guns other then the constant barrage that it's all due to "guns" and the catch all "gun violance"...which deliberately obfuscated the real cause....gang banger violance. Pure garbage politics from the usual suspects.,. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2022 19:35:33 GMT -5
I dont know Cranky.
I've lived in cities or suburbs all my life and it's pretty clear to me that gun violence is largely perpetrated by criminals with handguns. I have friends that hunt and I know them to be responsible gun owners.
This tactic with the legislation isn't fooling me. In fact, with a little bit of thought I think most people would see through what thd Liberals are doing.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 20:41:33 GMT -5
I dont know Cranky. I've lived in cities or suburbs all my life and it's pretty clear to me that gun violence is largely perpetrated by criminals with handguns. I have friends that hunt and I know them to be responsible gun owners.This tactic with the legislation isn't fooling me. In fact, with a little bit of thought I think most people would see through what thd Liberals are doing. The magic words are in bracket. You know people and you know they are responsible, a 20 something year old growing up in the city may have never seen a rifle or know anyone who hunts. Even my wife questions "why would most people need a gun?". Which is hilarious living with me. But before she met me, already in her twenties, she didn't know anyone who owned a gun. That was half a century ago and it only gotten worse in society as it becomes ever more urbanized. I owned a gun from 13. Semi-auto shotgun for geese like Price has in the picture. By 16 i owned a high powered rifle that i use to hunt woodchucks in eastern Quebec. I don't hunt now because killing Bambi is too easy for me to be a sport...and my hard rule of eating what i kill...unless they are steel targets. In Greece it's wild hogs and they are an amazing tasting treat...and destructive pest. Nowhere in there is the discription or growing up as a gangbanger with a gun fetish...which trudeau wants to sell as "gun owners". |
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 20:53:07 GMT -5
Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Of course I know about it but didn't directly associate the date to the tragedy. Obviously many did in Quebec and of course it was intended to be political. And the group he is endorsing had just mocked the tragedy. This isn't just about bad timing. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2022 21:11:18 GMT -5
And the group he is endorsing had just mocked the tragedy. This isn't just about bad timing. I know absolutely nothing about that group. Don't assume that Price knew they were mocking the tragedy. Or that he intentionally put out the statement as a means to belittle it. On the other hand, there is no doubt that the Liberals know the timing and the politics and will use and abuse the tragedy for political ends. Lastly...I don't know how much coverage it has in Quebec, i suspect that it's prominent, but I also suspect it's a mention in passing or historical footnote in the rest of Canada. Even I have forgotten the date, but not the incident. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 6, 2022 21:13:29 GMT -5
I know absolutely nothing about that group. Don't assume that Price knew they were mocking the tragedy. Or that he intentionally put out the statement as a means to belittle it. On the other hand, there is no doubt that the Liberals know the timing and the politics and will use and abuse the tragedy for political ends. Lastly...I don't know how much coverage it has in Quebec, i suspect that it's prominent, but I also suspect it's a pasdinb mentio or historical footnote in the rest of Canada. Even I have forgotten the date, but not the incident. He endorsed the group. The fact that they are trash is his problem now. Hence, my "10% for 14 women killed" comment now applies to him since he chooses to endorse them. If he didn't bother looking up the issue he was going public about, that's all on him. The subsequent lies as well. They are trash, and so is he. |
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