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Post by HABsurd on Dec 6, 2022 23:41:00 GMT -5
I dont know Cranky. I've lived in cities or suburbs all my life and it's pretty clear to me that gun violence is largely perpetrated by criminals with handguns. I have friends that hunt and I know them to be responsible gun owners.This tactic with the legislation isn't fooling me. In fact, with a little bit of thought I think most people would see through what thd Liberals are doing. The magic words are in bracket. You know people and you know they are responsible, a 20 something year old growing up in the city may have never seen a rifle or know anyone who hunts. Even my wife questions "why would most people need a gun?". Which is hilarious living with me. But before she met me, already in her twenties, she didn't know anyone who owned a gun. That was half a century ago and it only gotten worse in society as it becomes ever more urbanized. I owned a gun from 13. Semi-auto shotgun for geese like Price has in the picture. By 16 i owned a high powered rifle that i use to hunt woodchucks in eastern Quebec. I don't hunt now because killing Bambi is too easy for me to be a sport...and my hard rule of eating what i kill...unless they are steel targets. In Greece it's wild hogs and they are an amazing tasting treat...and destructive pest. Nowhere in there is the discription or growing up as a gangbanger with a gun fetish...which trudeau wants to sell as "gun owners". It is also true that recent mass shootings in Nova Scotia, Quebec City and Yukon have been perpetrated with semi-auto rifles. I might add that I only have a semi-auto shotgun Benelli M4 clone (Canuck Operator) and note this is not restricted under the current legislation. You have much more experience owning firearms, are any of the firearms that you own will be restricted under the current proposed legislation? |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 7, 2022 12:06:10 GMT -5
It is also true that recent mass shootings in Nova Scotia, Quebec City and Yukon have been perpetrated with semi-auto rifles. I might add that I only have a semi-auto shotgun Benelli M4 clone (Canuck Operator) and note this is not restricted under the current legislation. You have much more experience owning firearms, are any of the firearms that you own will be restricted under the current proposed legislation? The semi-auto is in Greece. Out of reach of the banning-de-jour. Benelli are generally excellent shotguns. My first semi was an Ithica. That's a looong time ago. I cut the barrel by 2" because hogs only respect slugs. There was ammendments so check the list to see if it was snuck in. The whole thing is that "semi-auto" means military in the eyes of the gun uneducated and of course the politicians that push this theater. So eventually, you will lose it. I will buy a pump soon...because the next whacko with an American weapon is going to spark even more gun banning theater. Because OBVIOUSLY gang bangers carry semi shotguns in their pants.... |
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Post by HABsurd on Dec 7, 2022 15:48:37 GMT -5
It is also true that recent mass shootings in Nova Scotia, Quebec City and Yukon have been perpetrated with semi-auto rifles. I might add that I only have a semi-auto shotgun Benelli M4 clone (Canuck Operator) and note this is not restricted under the current legislation. You have much more experience owning firearms, are any of the firearms that you own will be restricted under the current proposed legislation? The semi-auto is in Greece. Out of reach of the banning-de-jour. Benelli are generally excellent shotguns. My first semi was an Ithica. That's a looong time ago. I cut the barrel by 2" because hogs only respect slugs. There was ammendments so check the list to see if it was snuck in. The whole thing is that "semi-auto" means military in the eyes of the gun uneducated and of course the politicians that push this theater. So eventually, you will lose it. I will buy a pump soon...because the next whacko with an American weapon is going to spark even more gun banning theater. Because OBVIOUSLY gang bangers carry semi shotguns in their pants.... You seem to be arguing that the target of the legislation is semi-auto weapons etc. However, that is not the case, there are no semi-auto shotguns listed in neither in the original legislation not the amendment. The legislation does target weapons that can handle large magazines. I guess you can employ a slippery slope argument, but I don't see it happening especially given the pushback on the Simonov SKS (military weapon that can handle large magazines but rarely used in that capacity). |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 7, 2022 17:14:11 GMT -5
The semi-auto is in Greece. Out of reach of the banning-de-jour. Benelli are generally excellent shotguns. My first semi was an Ithica. That's a looong time ago. I cut the barrel by 2" because hogs only respect slugs. There was ammendments so check the list to see if it was snuck in. The whole thing is that "semi-auto" means military in the eyes of the gun uneducated and of course the politicians that push this theater. So eventually, you will lose it. I will buy a pump soon...because the next whacko with an American weapon is going to spark even more gun banning theater. Because OBVIOUSLY gang bangers carry semi shotguns in their pants.... You seem to be arguing that the target of the legislation is semi-auto weapons etc. However, that is not the case, there are no semi-auto shotguns listed in neither in the original legislation not the amendment. The legislation does target weapons that can handle large magazines. I guess you can employ a slippery slope argument, but I don't see it happening especially given the pushback on the Simonov SKS (military weapon that can handle large magazines but rarely used in that capacity). Actally i saw a list on twitter with what appeared to be semi shotguns. Originally it was handguns THEN only shotguns with detachable magazine THEN bunch were added after under the scary banner of "semi automatic". Up to you to find out. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 8, 2022 7:27:23 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Dec 26, 2022 9:10:08 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the bill. I've gotten a lot of conflicting information about it so I wouldn't know what to think either way. It's Price's role in using his name-recognition in a really, really tone-deaf, selfish way, that I'm arguing. Plus, he tried to lie his way out of it. The guy has proven to be selfish trash. Anyone outside of Montreal does not care about the anniversary of 14 female engineering students at École Polytechnique that died. That's just a brutal but honest fact. Carey not being in Montreal, would not be subject to all the press that is going on between the tragedy and the pro gun association. How would he....no one outside the city has. Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. This isn't true. I started Engineering in 1992, and every year I was in university we had a ceremony to remember the victims of Ecole Polytechnique |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 26, 2022 9:26:09 GMT -5
Right now Carey is looking out for himself and his people...anything outside of that shouldn't even be discussed. Glad we agree he's being selfish. His lack of interest in the city he lived in is now editorial news all over. None of it is complimentary. I'm sure McKinnon could make jokes about Columbine and they'd go over just as well, though. I see myself falling on your side of this discussion. This has nothing to do with guns or gun control ... it's the equivalent of Nathan McKinnon posting a picture of himself with guns with a #NRA , and a #Columbine Promo code. It is completely clueless to the environment you are working / living in. Price has always been my favourite player on Montreal. But I've been posting since the Sochi Olympics, that he has been doing many things that I consider selfish, and not looking out for the Montreal Canadiens. This is another to add to that growing list. I'm sure Price will get into the HHOF purely on the ol boys club vote (ie Hockey Canada types), but this puts serious doubt into whether his jersey should be retired. And I'm not too sure it should now. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 26, 2022 13:30:08 GMT -5
Glad we agree he's being selfish. His lack of interest in the city he lived in is now editorial news all over. None of it is complimentary. I'm sure McKinnon could make jokes about Columbine and they'd go over just as well, though. I see myself falling on your side of this discussion. This has nothing to do with guns or gun control ... it's the equivalent of Nathan McKinnon posting a picture of himself with guns with a #NRA , and a #Columbine Promo code. It is completely clueless to the environment you are working / living in. Price has always been my favourite player on Montreal. But I've been posting since the Sochi Olympics, that he has been doing many things that I consider selfish, and not looking out for the Montreal Canadiens. This is another to add to that growing list. I'm sure Price will get into the HHOF purely on the ol boys club vote (ie Hockey Canada types), but this puts serious doubt into whether his jersey should be retired. And I'm not too sure it should now. Under no circumstances should his jersey be retired |
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Post by jkr on Dec 27, 2022 9:49:54 GMT -5
Glad we agree he's being selfish. His lack of interest in the city he lived in is now editorial news all over. None of it is complimentary. I'm sure McKinnon could make jokes about Columbine and they'd go over just as well, though. I see myself falling on your side of this discussion. This has nothing to do with guns or gun control ... it's the equivalent of Nathan McKinnon posting a picture of himself with guns with a #NRA , and a #Columbine Promo code. It is completely clueless to the environment you are working / living in. Price has always been my favourite player on Montreal. But I've been posting since the Sochi Olympics, that he has been doing many things that I consider selfish, and not looking out for the Montreal Canadiens. This is another to add to that growing list. I'm sure Price will get into the HHOF purely on the ol boys club vote (ie Hockey Canada types), but this puts serious doubt into whether his jersey should be retired. And I'm not too sure it should now. I don't think the HOF is a sure thing. I was just looking at the stats of goalies that are around Price in the wins category. Rinne has more wins and similar numbers for SP and GAA and has won a Vezina but no Cups. I dont think he gets in. If it was up to me, Jon Quick would go in before Price. He now has more wins and similar GAA and SP numbers. But more importantly he has won 2 Cups and a Conn Smythe. I know Price won Olympic gold but you could make the argument that it was a short tournament playing for a stacked team. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 28, 2022 17:29:04 GMT -5
I see myself falling on your side of this discussion. This has nothing to do with guns or gun control ... it's the equivalent of Nathan McKinnon posting a picture of himself with guns with a #NRA , and a #Columbine Promo code. It is completely clueless to the environment you are working / living in. Price has always been my favourite player on Montreal. But I've been posting since the Sochi Olympics, that he has been doing many things that I consider selfish, and not looking out for the Montreal Canadiens. This is another to add to that growing list. I'm sure Price will get into the HHOF purely on the ol boys club vote (ie Hockey Canada types), but this puts serious doubt into whether his jersey should be retired. And I'm not too sure it should now. I don't think the HOF is a sure thing. I was just looking at the stats of goalies that are around Price in the wins category. Rinne has more wins and similar numbers for SP and GAA and has won a Vezina but no Cups. I dont think he gets in. If it was up to me, Jon Quick would go in before Price. He now has more wins and similar GAA and SP numbers. But more importantly he has won 2 Cups and a Conn Smythe. I know Price won Olympic gold but you could make the argument that it was a short tournament playing for a stacked team. When anyone argues for Price to be included in the HOF they ALWAYS use his international play. A case can’t be made by just using his NHL play. There are way too many goalies of equal or better stats / play. Then the pro Price group will ALWAYS change their tactic and point to the quality of the team in front of him. The most recent argument being Price only played with one 80 point player. Quick only ever played with two. This is why I feel the Hockey Canada boys club, will move hell and high water to get Price in the HOF. Do I think he should be? No, I don’t. I use to think that his number should be retired though, but I now question that |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 30, 2022 1:18:59 GMT -5
Hart winner
Vezina winner
Olympic gold medal winner
Top Olympic goalie
World junior gold medal winner
Trophy for best goaltender in WHL
Trophy for best goaltender in CHL
Jack Butterfield winner (MVP playoffs Calder cup)
Calder Cup winner
Ted lindsay winner
Jennings trophy winner
Bill Masteron winner
Most wins by a Habs goalie
World cup of hockey champion
Silver medals at under 17 and under 18 tournaments.
You guys are dreaming if his number isn't retired and HHOF
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Post by franko on Dec 30, 2022 2:12:00 GMT -5
Hart winner Vezina winner Olympic gold medal winnerTop Olympic goalieWorld junior gold medal winnerTrophy for best goaltender in WHLTrophy for best goaltender in CHLJack Butterfield winner (MVP playoffs Calder cup)Calder Cup winnerTed lindsay winner Jennings trophy winner Bill Masteron winner Most wins by a Habs goalie World cup of hockey championSilver medals at under 17 and under 18 tournamentsYou guys are dreaming if his number isn't retired and HHOF two different areas for discussion of a results based career: HHOF likely; number retired possible. his gun lobbying (and I'm sure his addiction problems) will be mentioned as reasons to exclude him, but his hockey career should be the factor that determines. and . . . what about Paul Henderson? (and no, I don't think his number should be retired). |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 30, 2022 16:20:09 GMT -5
Hart winner Vezina winner Olympic gold medal winnerTop Olympic goalieWorld junior gold medal winnerTrophy for best goaltender in WHLTrophy for best goaltender in CHLJack Butterfield winner (MVP playoffs Calder cup)Calder Cup winnerTed lindsay winner Jennings trophy winner Bill Masteron winner Most wins by a Habs goalie World cup of hockey championSilver medals at under 17 and under 18 tournamentsYou guys are dreaming if his number isn't retired and HHOF two different areas for discussion of a results based career: HHOF likely; number retired possible. his gun lobbying (and I'm sure his addiction problems) will be mentioned as reasons to exclude him, but his hockey career should be the factor that determines. and . . . what about Paul Henderson? (and no, I don't think his number should be retired). HHoF... yes. The awards and trophy and medals means he deserves to be in the HHoF... A retired number is a Montreal Canadiens only thing...Number doesn't get retired if you don't have a cup ring... the Montreal Canadiens have standards... Furthermore there is no way the team will raise the ire of the franco fan base after this whole gun fiasco brought on by Carey being too dumb to have social media specialists who would have warned him about what he was posting... |
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Post by Polarice on Jan 17, 2023 10:19:37 GMT -5
two different areas for discussion of a results based career: HHOF likely; number retired possible. his gun lobbying (and I'm sure his addiction problems) will be mentioned as reasons to exclude him, but his hockey career should be the factor that determines. and . . . what about Paul Henderson? (and no, I don't think his number should be retired). HHoF... yes. The awards and trophy and medals means he deserves to be in the HHoF... A retired number is a Montreal Canadiens only thing...Number doesn't get retired if you don't have a cup ring... the Montreal Canadiens have standards... Furthermore there is no way the team will raise the ire of the franco fan base after this whole gun fiasco brought on by Carey being too dumb to have social media specialists who would have warned him about what he was posting...I don't know about that....the crowd went crazy when he showed up at the PK Subban thing, |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 17, 2023 10:38:19 GMT -5
HHoF... yes. The awards and trophy and medals means he deserves to be in the HHoF... A retired number is a Montreal Canadiens only thing...Number doesn't get retired if you don't have a cup ring... the Montreal Canadiens have standards... Furthermore there is no way the team will raise the ire of the franco fan base after this whole gun fiasco brought on by Carey being too dumb to have social media specialists who would have warned him about what he was posting...I don't know about that....the crowd went crazy when he showed up at the PK Subban thing, Yes they did but,imo, a large part of the outcry (which Carey well deserved for his stupidity) was from non hard-core habs fans, special interest, politician etc... The fans in the building will be less judgmental of Carey coming to Montreal to salute PK. |
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