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Post by Skilly on Dec 10, 2022 23:26:43 GMT -5
Montreal hasn't gotten many shots in the first two periods that last three games in a row. So this isn't an aberration. Remember one game they had 5 goals but only 8 shots on net
I guess my jinx worked. Detroit lost in OT, Florida lost ...a Montreal win would have pulled them ahead of Florida and within 2 of Detroit. But, now we are 4 back. They aren5 going to win many games unless they start shooting. For a team that has an awful lot of players with elite shots, they sure love passing. I guess they just want to see their buddies succeed. Awwwww they bonded. Now, try friggin making some good decisions, especially at both blue lines.
It's pretty hard to watch the second, third and fourth line bumble through their shift knowing our only chance at scoring is that first line
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 10, 2022 23:33:39 GMT -5
It's pretty hard to watch the second, third and fourth line bumble through their shift knowing our only chance at scoring is that first line Which is why the tank is required I missed the game tonight but from the highlights I heard Gary Galley... so I'm glad I missed it... I'm sure he spent all his time extolling the virtues of every Kings player, their parents, their 1st grade teacher... man I hate that asshole |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 11, 2022 7:45:10 GMT -5
It's pretty hard to watch the second, third and fourth line bumble through their shift knowing our only chance at scoring is that first line Which is why the tank is required I missed the game tonight but from the highlights I heard Gary Galley... so I'm glad I missed it... I'm sure he spent all his time extolling the virtues of every Kings player, their parents, their 1st grade teacher... man I hate that asshole I'm not sure a tank is required, but deadwood has to be trimmed ... I'm not against a tank. But I'm also not against this team making the playoffs either Last night on the Hoffman goal, is an example of the pros and cons of this team. Guhle rushes into the zone , makes a good pass to Dadonov. Everyone in that situation would shoot. Guhle followed expecting a shot, but Dadonov, Did Dadonov things, and Dadonoved the play right up. Tried to deke were one was not required and the puck is stripped from him. Luckily Guhle was following up, and luckily Hoffman was in Guhle's position to receive a good pass for an open look. Dadonov may have gotten an assist there, but he did nothing to create that goal, he was actually a hinderance. He needs to go. Does he need to be replace by the tank? No. But he has to go. In my opinion, this team is better than Florida and Detroit as it is now. You get rid of players like Dadonov that are adding nothing (and there are about 5 of them) and this team is way better .... but yes, the tank helps that exponentially if we get a good player. I just don't think this team is a bottom ten team even with the deadwood. We get a goalie and rid of the deadwood and this team can surprise people |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 11, 2022 10:32:20 GMT -5
Which is why the tank is required I missed the game tonight but from the highlights I heard Gary Galley... so I'm glad I missed it... I'm sure he spent all his time extolling the virtues of every Kings player, their parents, their 1st grade teacher... man I hate that asshole I'm not sure a tank is required, but deadwood has to be trimmed ... I'm not against a tank. But I'm also not against this team making the playoffs either Last night on the Hoffman goal, is an example of the pros and cons of this team. Guhle rushes into the zone , makes a good pass to Dadonov. Everyone in that situation would shoot. Guhle followed expecting a shot, but Dadonov, Did Dadonov things, and Dadonoved the play right up. Tried to deke were one was not required and the puck is stripped from him. Luckily Guhle was following up, and luckily Hoffman was in Guhle's position to receive a good pass for an open look. Dadonov may have gotten an assist there, but he did nothing to create that goal, he was actually a hinderance. He needs to go. Does he need to be replace by the tank? No. But he has to go. In my opinion, this team is better than Florida and Detroit as it is now. You get rid of players like Dadonov that are adding nothing (and there are about 5 of them) and this team is way better .... but yes, the tank helps that exponentially if we get a good player. I just don't think this team is a bottom ten team even with the deadwood. We get a goalie and rid of the deadwood and this team can surprise people The thing is HuGo have proven they can move picks for prospects so a 1st rounder, even in the 10 to 20 range plus a 2nd might get us that 2nd line C or a right winger prospect that will allow Dach to be the 2C... This is why I am pushing for a tank, it can solve some problems for us and we will still have a decent 1st rounder in a deep draft. I am hopeful Monahan can get us another 1st |
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Post by folatre on Dec 11, 2022 10:55:16 GMT -5
The only place for Dadonov to go is to the press box or Laval. With no disrespect intended, soft finesse middle six wingers with modest to poor offensive production are at the bottom of every playoff teams' shopping list. From day one, I was skeptical about there being any sort of market for overpriced low-energy wingers like Dadanov and Drouin. And frankly one-third of the way through the season I am more convinced there is no market.
Hockey is debatable, but I do not see a team with average goaltending and four rookies on the blueline on a nightly basis staying in the playoff chase. And that does not even get into the festering issue that many nights there is simply no secondary scoring. I think St. Louis (and Robidas) is doing a good job with this roster, however I see too many holes.
Time will say. In fact, this week may be quite telling. The boys are going to face a desperate Calgary team, then on the road to play the Sens and we all know how they get up for games against the Habs, and Saturday against the Lightning. Yes, the standings are compressed at the moment but a five game losing streak can literally change the complexion of the season.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 11, 2022 12:50:04 GMT -5
I'm all for the tank! And the nice thing is I don't have to root too hard as it is inevitable.
The team has 3 good players who who will hopefully become elite (Suze, Cole and Guhle) and something to build around. After that, none of the players contribute much and only a few ever will. I'm all in favour of getting rid of the deadwood, and for no return, just clear cap space (Drouin, Dads, and Hoffman). But we ain't getting anything much in return that will help this year. So as bad as the deadwood is, any players used to fill the void, through trade or already in the organization, are not going to improve the team this year.
Hopefully we can get something for others such as Gally, Anderson, Dvo, Armia, Monahan, Eddy. But anyone trading for those players ain't giving up current talent to get them. Those teams would be in 'win now' mode.
In the end, there is little HuGo can do to improve this team's performance this season. The team has played above expectations but the league is starting to settle in and we will find our proper place. We will likely be bottom 3 in the East within a month; and bottom 7 in league by the trade deadline. This team ain't making no playoffs.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 11, 2022 13:38:37 GMT -5
Notwithstanding that Wideman is apparently a great teammate, it seems highly probable he will be playing hockey for the Rocket soon enough as guys like Drouin and Gallagher return to the active roster. Yeah, the boys really did not have it tonight. The Kings played good crisp hockey right out of the gate and Montreal had the tough task of chasing the game while being the second best team on the ice. Well, there could be a repeat of this same scenario on Monday. Toronto beats Montreal's upcoming opponent (Calgary), who will thus be coming in even more desperate for two points. We could definitely use Gallagher and Drouin. Dadanov and Anderson are playing above where they should be (the bench IMO, but that's a discussion for another day). Marty's life is complicated by the fact that they really need those duds to play better so that they have some actual trade value. You'd have to be a really desperate GM to give up much of anything for those guys. Dadanov likely is worth more than Anderson right now because his contract expires this July and Anderson's is an anchor for another 4 years after this one. Geeze, Berg's a fool. If only he was wearing his jester hat when Geoff extended him it might have changed things. Hey, what am I saying? Daddy and Andy should be getting 20-25 minutes a game. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 11, 2022 13:43:36 GMT -5
The thing is HuGo have proven they can move picks for prospects so a 1st rounder, even in the 10 to 20 range plus a 2nd might get us that 2nd line C or a right winger prospect that will allow Dach to be the 2C... This is why I am pushing for a tank, it can solve some problems for us and we will still have a decent 1st rounder in a deep draft. I am hopeful Monahan can get us another 1st That's not a bad idea, depending on who we get for those picks. This is a really good draft, though, so even picks between 10 and 20, especially 10-13, have really good potential. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 11, 2022 14:00:25 GMT -5
The thing is HuGo have proven they can move picks for prospects so a 1st rounder, even in the 10 to 20 range plus a 2nd might get us that 2nd line C or a right winger prospect that will allow Dach to be the 2C... This is why I am pushing for a tank, it can solve some problems for us and we will still have a decent 1st rounder in a deep draft. I am hopeful Monahan can get us another 1st That's not a bad idea, depending on who we get for those picks. This is a really good draft, though, so even picks between 10 and 20, especially 10-13, have really good potential. We need a 2nd line centre... an Xavier Bourgault might be nice... he would tick a number of boxes for this team and we know the Oilers are desperate for playoff success... |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 11, 2022 14:04:19 GMT -5
The game was hard to watch. Our young defence was man handled and 90% of it was soft forwards.
Go back to two years ago and EVERYBODY was playing tough defense. Now, which forward is " tough to play against"? I don't care how big Guhle and X is, when the other team can gang up on them, you get last night game.
Miserable game...but at least the loss has value.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 11, 2022 17:34:45 GMT -5
That's not a bad idea, depending on who we get for those picks. This is a really good draft, though, so even picks between 10 and 20, especially 10-13, have really good potential. We need a 2nd line centre... an Xavier Bourgault might be nice... he would tick a number of boxes for this team and we know the Oilers are desperate for playoff success... That second line centre is still a bit of a question mark (which constantly raises the thought of keeping Monahan because despite having just turned 28, he is an ideal 2nd centre [caveat: if healthy]). Is Dach good enough? He has shown flashes and the criticism over his faceoffs may be overblown. Three of 4 yesterday and two of those were against Danault in the LA zone, so you know Phil was trying his best. That's not chopped liver. I think in a year or two he can definitely be that guy. But for insurance and assuming we're in the bottom 7, say, we'll have a choice of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Will Smith, Dalibor Dvorsky, Brayden Yager, Calum Ritchie and probably someone else I'm forgetting or isn't slotted as a centre. If we're comfortable with Dach, or Beck, as our #2 centre, that opens up adding high end wingers like Michkov, Eduard Sale and Zach Benson. It's safe to say that 6 or 7 of those guys would have been ranked ahead of Slafkovsky in last year's draft. That's what we could be passing up by finishing too high. There are even more really solid players, but those can be had with Florida's pick. It is a once in a decade opportunity and I'm pretty sure HuGo know that and aren't going to muff it. The Habs are going to be a really fun team in 3 years. And yes, Bourgault would indeed be nice. Imagine him as our #4 centre, driving opponents crazy.  |
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Post by folatre on Dec 11, 2022 19:50:54 GMT -5
Who knows what Kenny Holland might do. I imagine the pressure is immense and growing to win the Cup in the window before Draisaitl and McDavid need new massive contracts (or depart via UFA). I think it would be easier to snag their first rounder, assuming Edmonton is safely away from the playoff bubble, than kids such as Holloway, Bourgault, or Schaeffer.
I believe Dach can play centre defensively and we know he is pretty effective driving play offensively. It might take another whole season to markedly improve on faceoffs but that should come with time. I suppose it is possible management simply loves him on the wing and foresee other guys being the 2C and 3C (Dubois and Beck) when the roster is truly ready for its 'lift off' in the standings.
Not that he is running the show or coaching the team, however I would be curious what Dach thinks and prefers. I have always perceived that most guys who play the pivot do not love getting pushed out to the wing. Heck, I have noticed that even in youth hockey some kids sulk a little when their coach decides they are not well suited to playing centre (jeje, my son never had go through such anguish because from his first day in Mite they put him on the wing).
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