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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2022 19:15:51 GMT -5
The GDT will reflect this ...
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 19, 2022 20:01:30 GMT -5
There is no way this happens if MBHead was still in charge...
Glad to see it tho... Majority of Habs fans loved PK and his demise started when he was traded... don't think he ever got over that... don't think he saw that coming...
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Post by Skilly on Dec 19, 2022 20:40:02 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’d “honour” PK. Why?
And more importantly why is PK getting honoured before Andrei Markov? (And I’m sure others that posters can name)
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Post by jkr on Dec 19, 2022 22:26:21 GMT -5
Other teams do this for former players. It will probably be some video clips and a short intro.
I agree that Markov is worthy of recognition but he is also a person that does not seek out the spotlight.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 21, 2022 11:33:29 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 21, 2022 11:59:17 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’d “honour” PK. Why? And more importantly why is PK getting honoured before Andrei Markov? (And I’m sure others that posters can name) En français ... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 21, 2022 12:04:39 GMT -5
It would be cool if they did both at the same time... they were a great pairing
And a class act would be to sign Markov to a 10 game contract to get his 1000 games with the Habs... he couldn't be any worse than Wideman...
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 21, 2022 12:20:55 GMT -5
Perhaps part of the "honour" is because the MB regime..
a. damn-near ignored his work (ongoing) with the Montreal Children's Hospital, and
b. sent him off unceremoniously, as the scapegoat for a Price-less season...and before the NMC kicked in. Berg and MT couldn't wait to be rid of him.
The Habs' community needs a chance to officially say thanks.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2022 14:28:58 GMT -5
Perhaps part of the "honour" is because the MB regime.. a. damn-near ignored his work (ongoing) with the Montreal Children's Hospital, and b. sent him off unceremoniously, as the scapegoat for a Price-less season...and before the NMC kicked in. Berg and MT couldn't wait to be rid of him. The Habs' community needs a chance to officially say thanks. Ok. But they say thanks to all kinds of players when they return with a video montage. Toffoli most recently. Are you inferring they didn’t put up a video montage when Subban returned to the Bell Center with other teams? The last time Montreal did something like this was Dec 18, 2014. Maybe it’s the Christmasy thing to do. The last time it was Saku Koivu. I just don’t see the careers as comparable. Markov should be first. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 21, 2022 14:55:39 GMT -5
I think Markov will receive such recognition. More than fully deserved. Whether pre- or post-Subban's night doesn't matter to me. Markov has said he's happy for PK.
Coincidentally, Markov (along with Radulov) was also treated shabbily by Berg at the end.
We made really, really good offers to these guys. There's no negotiation. First come, first served.
Then he signed Alzner...basically making Markov's decision for him.
He's (Alzner's) got a really good gap, a great stick, a good first pass. He'll never run numbers. But he's a top 4 for sure. In my opinion, our defense is better. -- Berg, July 2, 2017.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 21, 2022 15:31:45 GMT -5
I like Subban but i'm not sure why he desrves some kind of special recognition.
There are other Hab players that played longer and had more points so maybe there are other factors which have nothing to do with hockey...and more to do with current politics.
Let's see how political the "ceremony" will get. If you hear the words "inclusion and diversity" then you know why Subban is "celebrated".
Do i care? Only if i was a retired player and did far more then Subban to deserve HOCKEY recogntion. See Markov.
Whatever....
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2022 15:34:03 GMT -5
He's (Alzner's) got a really good gap, a great stick, a good first pass. He'll never run numbers. But he's a top 4 for sure. In my opinion, our defense is better. -- Berg, July 2, 2017. Ok....who thinks Bergie had good judgment? C'mon....hands up.  |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 21, 2022 15:41:32 GMT -5
I like Subban but i'm not sure why he desrves some kind of special recognition. There are other Hab players that played longer and had more points so maybe there are other factors which have nothing to do with hockey...and more to do with current politics. Let's see how political the "ceremony" will get. If you hear the words "inclusion and diversity" then you know why Subban is "celebrated". Do i care? Only if i was a retired player and did far more then Subban to deserve HOCKEY recogntion. See Markov. Whatever.... Also...politically, what are the optics of celebrating a Russian?  Everything's political now. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 21, 2022 15:47:00 GMT -5
He's (Alzner's) got a really good gap, a great stick, a good first pass. He'll never run numbers. But he's a top 4 for sure. In my opinion, our defense is better. -- Berg, July 2, 2017. Ok....who thinks Bergie had good judgment? C'mon....hands up. I miss Berg and his cohorts, especially Sly, JJ and MTHead |
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Post by mikeg on Dec 21, 2022 16:22:52 GMT -5
Chantal Machabe already said they wanted to do it for Marky and Subban at the same time but that Markov was not available that date (i mean... war, etc.) so all is ok. He will get his day eventually, hopefully if he isn't drafted by poutine to fight...
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 21, 2022 16:28:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, mikeg.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 22, 2022 20:40:45 GMT -5
Ok....who thinks Bergie had good judgment? C'mon....hands up. I miss Berg and his cohorts, especially Sly, JJ and MTHead You Judas. 😉😅 |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 22, 2022 20:41:30 GMT -5
I like Subban but i'm not sure why he desrves some kind of special recognition. There are other Hab players that played longer and had more points so maybe there are other factors which have nothing to do with hockey...and more to do with current politics. Let's see how political the "ceremony" will get. If you hear the words "inclusion and diversity" then you know why Subban is "celebrated". Do i care? Only if i was a retired player and did far more then Subban to deserve HOCKEY recogntion. See Markov. Whatever.... Also...politically, what are the optics of celebrating a Russian? Everything's political now. He’s a Canadian citizen. |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 23, 2022 1:37:39 GMT -5
I'm good with both being honoured for their contribution to Le Club.
But if it's an either or, I'm going with PK. For as great as Markov was FOR THE HABS, he was never recognized league wide as an exceptional player. He had two all-star appearances. PK won the Norris, had 3 all-star appearances, and was on two First all-star teams. When you factor in what PK did for charities in Montreal it is no contest. Completely different personalities, but PK embraced Mtl. Perfectly reasonable for Le Club to return the favour and honour him. It's acts like this that send a message to current and future players that we are family and our community goes beyond the ice surface. Nick seems to recognize this. Amen!
I firmly believe the trade was a kick to PK's gut which he never recovered from. As others have pointed out, Markov was equally unceremoniously ejected. In the annals of CH history, MB will be seen as the worst gm ever, and on so many levels including no hockey aptitude and even worse respect for the players.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2022 8:23:45 GMT -5
Also...politically, what are the optics of celebrating a Russian? Everything's political now. He’s a Canadian citizen. Doesn't seem to matter to some... I'm glad it's going to happen when Markie's schedule allows. A quiet warrior. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 23, 2022 10:32:36 GMT -5
I'm good with both being honoured for their contribution to Le Club. But if it's an either or, I'm going with PK. For as great as Markov was FOR THE HABS, he was never recognized league wide as an exceptional player. He had two all-star appearances. PK won the Norris, had 3 all-star appearances, and was on two First all-star teams. When you factor in what PK did for charities in Montreal it is no contest. Completely different personalities, but PK embraced Mtl. Perfectly reasonable for Le Club to return the favour and honour him. It's acts like this that send a message to current and future players that we are family and our community goes beyond the ice surface. Nick seems to recognize this. Amen! I firmly believe the trade was a kick to PK's gut which he never recovered from. As others have pointed out, Markov was equally unceremoniously ejected. In the annals of CH history, MB will be seen as the worst gm ever, and on so many levels including no hockey aptitude and even worse respect for the players. Woah woah woah....no one beats Reggie Houle for worst GM. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 23, 2022 11:14:25 GMT -5
I'm with you there Tank but I'll give Bergevin 2nd place.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 23, 2022 11:37:18 GMT -5
It's a close call on whose hockey aptitude, Houle or MB, was lower. But Reggie was/is always a gentleman unlike the egomaniac who thought he was God's gift to hockey. We can agree they can share the podium.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2022 11:37:23 GMT -5
I'm with you there Tank but I'll give Bergevin 2nd place. I think Houle wins by half a car length but that's it... What MBHead did here was the worst thing a boss could do. Houle was not a very bright guy but I don't think he was vengeful or mean. MBHead was all those things and more. The crap way some players (the non-chosen ones) were treated, the way he let MTHead do the things he did, the way no support was given to drafted players, the lack of on and off ice support for roster players, the outright nepotism in hiring friends, rejecting Larry Robinson.... I could go on and on. In looking at how HuGO conduct themselves as representatives of this organisation you really see how much MBHead and his cohorts are pieces of Saperlipopette |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 23, 2022 12:14:43 GMT -5
I'm with you there Tank but I'll give Bergevin 2nd place. I think Houle wins by half a car length but that's it... What MBHead did here was the worst thing a boss could do. Houle was not a very bright guy but I don't think he was vengeful or mean. MBHead was all those things and more. The crap way some players (the non-chosen ones) were treated, the way he let MTHead do the things he did, the way no support was given to drafted players, the lack of on and off ice support for roster players, the outright nepotism in hiring friends, rejecting Larry Robinson.... I could go on and on. In looking at how HuGO conduct themselves as representatives of this organisation you really see how much MBHead and his cohorts are pieces of Saperlipopette I beg to differ. I watched the race and would say MB 'won by half a horse's head". |
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Post by franko on Dec 23, 2022 12:32:08 GMT -5
]I beg to differ. I watched the race and would say MB 'won by half a horse's head". I was expecting someone to call MB the other end of a horse. tight race to the bottom, regardless. |
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Post by madhabber on Dec 23, 2022 13:34:18 GMT -5
Two things:
- One: Between Houle and Bergevin, Houle was the worst GM. Houle lost so many trades and by a lot. Look up the worst trades in Habs history and Burger Brain doesn't come close. Where Bargain Bin-Bergy-did fail was his free agents signing, including his own (excluding Pacioretty, that was a great sgining). Radulov was a great 1 year signing and then a failure. He failed at resigning Markov and failed with so many others. Semin, Alzner, Hoffman etc.
- Two: Markov deserves his day just as much as PK. PK was great, I loved him when he was here. He has a higher peak with the Norris and all-star team. But not only was Markov great, Markov made his teammates better. Souray, Streit, Komisarek, Rivet all had career years when partnered with Markov. Because of Markov, all those guys got their big contracts, which they wouldn't have had without Markov (at least not as much). Our powerplay was effective and feared because we had a quarterback setting Souray, Streit, MA Bergeron, Mathieu Schneider and Kovalev for one timers. You didn't call him the general for nothing. Different personality, he was a quiet as opposed to PK's flamboyance. He was a team guy. And he became a Canadian citizen to boot. And almost a 1000 games with the Habs. Should have been 1000 + , but because Bergy Boob, well...
I'm not placing Markov above PK, I place him on the same level. Plus isn't he the second or third highest scoring D in Habs history. That demands Respect. Capital R.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2022 13:37:43 GMT -5
I think Houle wins by half a car length but that's it... What MBHead did here was the worst thing a boss could do. Houle was not a very bright guy but I don't think he was vengeful or mean. MBHead was all those things and more. The crap way some players (the non-chosen ones) were treated, the way he let MTHead do the things he did, the way no support was given to drafted players, the lack of on and off ice support for roster players, the outright nepotism in hiring friends, rejecting Larry Robinson.... I could go on and on. In looking at how HuGO conduct themselves as representatives of this organisation you really see how much MBHead and his cohorts are pieces of Saperlipopette I beg to differ. I watched the race and would say MB 'won by half a horse's head". More like half a horses ass... MTHEAD is the other half |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2022 14:27:24 GMT -5
EDIT: Apologies, madhabber...before my post below, I missed this part of your post above. Plus isn't he the second or third highest scoring D in Habs history. That demands Respect. Capital R. Markov quietly/humbly tied Guy Lapointe for 2nd overall in Habs' D points (572) on March 28, 2017. Assisting on a Lehky goal. Granted in 213 more games than Lapointe. But also granted that Lapointe was an offensive dman on a dynastic team. Markov played 5 of the remaining 6 regular season games and was held pointless. If Berg had re-signed #79 instead of signing Alzner, Markov would no doubt be alone in 2nd--cracking the 1000 games and 600 pts. bars in the process. The Bell Centre crowd with a standing ovation on the announcement. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2022 16:37:26 GMT -5
It's a close call on whose hockey aptitude, Houle or MB, was lower. But Reggie was/is always a gentleman unlike the egomaniac who thought he was God's gift to hockey. We can agree they can share the podium. My take is that Reggie is working diligently for the Habs, selling Molson's like no one's business and then gets thrust into one of the toughest jobs in hockey. No preparation or background of any kind. No surprise he sucked. Thing is, I think he got better as the years went on. Turning our attention to the Bergmeister....he was supposed to have the experience, the training, blah, blah blah. What he did was burn up the best years of Price, Subban and Pacioretty (and probably Gallagher as well) and lived off amazing goalending and the work of two elite defensemen. He got worse as time went on. Nah...for me it's a slam dunk. Bergie wins by a Jupiter country mile. |
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