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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 22, 2023 2:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 23, 2023 2:30:09 GMT -5
Tx for the history lesson Dis! I watched Game #2 live and it was striking to watch it again almost 50 years later. I did not realize Larry got a penalty for boarding on The Hit. In watching it again, I really don't see why it was a penalty other than the ref seeing the damage to the boards, scratching his chin, and saying "If that's not boarding..?" And watching the Big 3, WOW! Usually one or two of them out there, so dominating at both ends. They were so good, Bowman could play Bouchard.  Heck, even Wideman could have won a Cup on that team  |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 23, 2023 11:12:51 GMT -5
Even with Stephenson in goal because of a Parent injury, the series was quite close.
Three 1-goal wins, and the 5-3 clincher in Game 4. Lafleur with the eventual game (and Cup) winner in that one, too...late in the third period. Pete Mahovlich with the insurance.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2023 16:51:08 GMT -5
After watching the first period, wasn't sure how the Flyers weren't down 3-0. Lots of chances for the Habs. The league today is faster, but surprisingly it's not a lot faster than I thought before watching that game again. The transition game is certainly quicker, but the loss of the red line probably accounts for that. Gainey and Cournoyer were lightning fast. My boy, Murray Wilson, was probably faster than both.
One thing that stands out is how good the big 3 were. Wow. Larry has to be one of the most underrated defencemen ever. You rarely hear his name mentioned along with the Orrs and Potvins and Bourques and Lidstroms, but after Orr, there's no one I'd pick before Robinson. No one else combines the skating, size, offense and the deterrent factor like Larry.
Just as a comparison, I looked at the career average season +/- numbers for these guys. Hockeydb doesn't have those before 1970, so some of Orr's are missing, but he would be the clear #1. I excluded his last 3 season where he only played 36 games because of the knee surgeries. Over the other 5 seasons I have data for, he averaged a number of 85.2. That is ridiculous. That number would be lower if I could add in his previous 4 seasons with the Bruins, only one of which included a high scoring team. To see how ludicrous that is, Bourque averaged 23.5 over his 23 year career, Lidstrom 22.5 over 20 years, Potvin 30.6 and Good ole Larry, 36.9. Potvin played 15 seasons, and the other 3, 20 or more each and were decent even in their last seasons. Larry and Orr were the only ones without a minus season. They all played on powerhouses and on teams that were less than that.
It really shows just how good Robinson was. The other amazing thing about Larry is that he is able to impart his knowledge to others. Not many great players can coach, but Robinson has that talent as well. We should have tossed Bergie into the St Lawrence when he ignored Larry for Daigneault. The coach hirings were the early red flag.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 23, 2023 16:55:52 GMT -5
After watching the first period, wasn't sure how the Flyers weren't down 3-0. Lots of chances for the Habs. The league today is faster, but surprisingly it's not a lot faster than I thought before watching that game again. The transition game is certainly quicker, but the loss of the red line probably accounts for that. Gainey and Cournoyer were lightning fast. My boy, Murray Wilson, was probably faster than both. One thing that stands out is how good the big 3 were. Wow. Larry has to be one of the most underrated defencemen ever. You rarely hear his name mentioned along with the Orrs and Potvins and Bourques and Lidstroms, but after Orr, there's no one I'd pick before Robinson. No one else combines the skating, size, offense and the deterrent factor like Larry. Just as a comparison, I looked at the career average season +/- numbers for these guys. Hockeydb doesn't have those before 1970, so some of Orr's are missing, but he would be the clear #1. I excluded his last 3 season where he only played 36 games because of the knee surgeries. Over the other 5 seasons I have data for, he averaged a number of 85.2. That is ridiculous. That number would be lower if I could add in his previous 4 seasons with the Bruins, only one of which included a high scoring team. To see how ludicrous that is, Bourque averaged 23.5 over his 23 year career, Lidstrom 22.5 over 20 years, Potvin 30.6 and Good ole Larry, 36.9. Potvin played 15 seasons, and the other 3, 20 or more each and were decent even in their last seasons. Larry and Orr were the only ones without a minus season. They all played on powerhouses and on teams that were less than that. It really shows just how good Robinson was. The other amazing thing about Larry is that he is able to impart his knowledge to others. Not many great players can coach, but Robinson has that talent as well. We should have tossed Bergie into the St Lawrence when he ignored Larry for Daigneault. The coach hirings were the early red flag. I'd toss bergie in the st. Lawrence right now but he wouldn't drown... Saperlipopette floats |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 24, 2023 0:13:10 GMT -5
Gainey and Cournoyer were lightning fast. My boy, Murray Wilson, was probably faster than both. had a distinctive style of skating ... he had long, powerful strides and watching him skate reminds me of Frank Mahovlich ... Some of those end-to-end rushes Larry Robinson had resulted in goals, and are etched ... he might be underrated, not sure, but he does have two Norris Trophies, a Conn Smythe, and six Stanley Cups, which looks good on his résumé ... he wasn't afraid to drop the gloves, and he didn't lose too often ... Hockeyreference.com has the info: He would have also brought humility to the team, as well ... Robinson would be the first one to tell you that his Norris Trophies were more team trophies, than individual achievement ... people from his generation can say the same thing ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2023 0:59:21 GMT -5
Larry was also humble. What i meant by underrated is that his name doesn’t immediately pop into peoples minds when ‘best ever’ comes up and yet there’s no doubt it should. A clear winner. Scott Niedermayer (IMO) is in that same category.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 1:55:08 GMT -5
On to the game. This is a must lose four point game.
We've been picking up way too many points lately. I know Marty is competitive but he's got to dial it back - get Evans in there and Suze should have limited minutes. Top line should be Drouin between Pizzetta and Belzile.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 24, 2023 19:44:13 GMT -5
David Savard and Chris Tierney make it 2-0 ...
Cheers.
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Post by folatre on Feb 24, 2023 19:46:19 GMT -5
Through twenty minutes the boys are skating, controlling play, and paying attention to detail. Savard's smart move to jump into the space vacated by a bad Flyer's line change gave the Habs the 1-0 lead they clearly deserved. The 2-0 goal with seconds remaining is gravy. Who was that guy making artistic backhand feeds from Gretzky's office? Nice for Tierney to have a positive debut.
The power play looked good and got pucks on net instead of trying for the perfect play. Hoffman had a couple incredible scoring chances and unfortunately blew them both.
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Post by frozone on Feb 24, 2023 20:02:19 GMT -5
Through twenty minutes the boys are skating, controlling play, and paying attention to detail. Savard's smart move to jump into the space vacated by a bad Flyer's line change gave the Habs the 1-0 lead they clearly deserved. The 2-0 goal with seconds remaining is gravy. Who was that guy making artistic backhand feeds from Gretzky's office? Nice for Tierney to have a positive debut. The power play looked good and got pucks on net instead of trying for the perfect play. Hoffman had a couple incredible scoring chances and unfortunately blew them both. The power play indeed looked beautiful. They were in sync, rotating constantly, and just looked miles ahead of the Flyers. One of our best PP's of the season. The boys better knock it off. |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 20:43:42 GMT -5
This is all way too positive! Can't these guys just lose?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2023 21:10:22 GMT -5
Tierney scores a goal in his first game as a Hab
Ylonen scores his first of the year
Drouin? Drouin? Bueller? Bueller?
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 21:11:51 GMT -5
Tierney scores a goal in his first game as a Hab Ylonen scores his first of the year Drouin? Drouin? Bueller? Bueller? Drouin keeps getting assists. Maybe somewhere, just maybe some GM is taking notice  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2023 21:17:52 GMT -5
27 of the 31 players (excluding goalies) that have suited up for Montreal have scored a goal for Montreal
The four that haven't are
1) Owen Beck - 1 GP
2) Cory Shueneman - 2 GP
3) Chris Wideman - 32 GP
4) Jonathan Drouin - 34 GP
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2023 21:24:13 GMT -5
Crazy. How does this lineup do this?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2023 21:26:25 GMT -5
Tierney scores a goal in his first game as a Hab Ylonen scores his first of the year Drouin? Drouin? Bueller? Bueller? Drouin keeps getting assists. Maybe somewhere, just maybe some GM is taking notice I think he is 11 more assists away from an NHL record |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 21:36:27 GMT -5
Drouin keeps getting assists. Maybe somewhere, just maybe some GM is taking notice I think he is 11 more assists away from an NHL record Is that most assists without a goal? |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 21:46:25 GMT -5
Good news: Buff beat Fla. Sooner Fla falls out of playoff picture the sooner for them to start mailing it in.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2023 21:51:14 GMT -5
I think he is 11 more assists away from an NHL record Is that most assists without a goal? Yes. The NHL record is 29 assists If he gets one more assist and then scores before 29 assists he will also get a record. Most assists before a goal in a season. I believe the record is 19. |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2023 23:07:56 GMT -5
Is that most assists without a goal? Yes. The NHL record is 29 assists If he gets one more assist and then scores before 29 assists he will also get a record. Most assists before a goal in a season. I believe the record is 19. Quite the record. Though no one should be surprised; MB told us Drouin would set league records  |
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Heck, even Wideman could have won a Cup on that team 
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