Dadonov to Dallas for Denis Gurianov

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Skilly]

I didn't think we had a prayer in hell of making any moves this year. We get a cheaper Dadonov. And hopefully a more productive one.

This isn't exactly shedding contracts. But there is 5 days left to go.

[NWTHabsFan]

I quite like this trade. Dadonov was a guy who just went through the motions for most of the year and never seemed to be happy or a good fit with the team. He has been better of late, but no doubt motivated by his hope of getting moved or a new contract somewhere next season. He gets to reunite with Peter DeBoer after stints together in FLA and VGK. Dallas likely knows what they are getting (and not getting) with Dadonov. I am still surprised they made this move, though.

Montreal gets a 25 year old, bigger, faster winger who plays much more of the style that HuGo want the team to play. He is having a real off year, but hit the 20 goal mark n 19-20 and still has some untapped offensive potential to match his offence he showed in juniors and at the WJC. He could very well fit in nicely with a coach like MSL who coaches a more free style when the team is on offence. If he bombs the rest of the season, then the Habs can just chose to not qualify him and cut him free.

I like this gamble. Did not expect to see Hughes get anything for Dadonov. At most, a late round pick. Nice move Hughes and all for an extra $400K of cap space ($2.9 + $2.5 retained for Dadonov) and one of their allowed salary retention spots. In the end, I will not miss Dadonov one bit and look forward to see if the change of scenery is what Gulianov needs/needed.

[frozone]

I don't get it... why would the Stars want a more expensive, smaller, older, slower version of Gurianov? Is it because of his experience?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we won this trade by a landslide or anything, I'm just confused. Gurianov has more game-breaking upside in a bottom 6 role than Dadonov does imo. He even scored the OT winner that sent the Stars to the cup final. He's been with Dallas since he was drafted. Why isn't Gurianov good enough depth for their cup run? Is he coming over with some kind of baggage or something?

[Willie Dog]

Iam in awe of HuGo... I never ever thought Boris Badenov would ever get moved... Tanknation does not want any more vets moved... the kids are scoring too much and need less icetime

[NWTHabsFan]

So, is LeBrun hinting that the Jets were in the mix for Dadonov too and a third may have been in play?

There are some kooky GMs out there. Thankfully, Hughes is not one of them.

[folatre]

I like this trade. Gurianov has obviously been a passenger on the Stars this season, but he is bigger, faster and considerably younger than Dadanov.

What is Dallas thinking here? Even with the Habs retaining half, it only saves them about half a million against the cap. The trade just seems sort of unbalanced asset-wise.

Is Hughes about to deliver the rest of Montreal’s payment in terms of being the third-party retaining money in a Kane or Meier to Dallas deal?

[folatre]

I remember when he initially came into the league that I wondered who would turn out to be the better player between Hintz and Gurianov. It was close for a time, but about three years ago Hintz's development trajectory changed dramatically and Gurianov just sort of stagnated.

Maybe Gurianov was overcoached and over time it made him play tentative hockey. Maybe his motor and compete level is the core problem. Maybe he is all tools and no toolbox, so basically is could be a processing the game problem. But this at face value today seems like a totally risk-free move.

[Lord Bebop]

Habs fans were going to riot if they didn’t get their trade and that 5 minute rush following it so good on Hughes for keeping the peace.

Habs don’t have a lot of size coming in the pipeline. I don’t think Hughes wants a tiny team and that’s where habs are heading just look at Laval’s roster. A 6’3 goal scorer hits the spot
Sounds like he never had the best working relationship with his coaches in AHL and NHL in Dallas system. So Hopefully St.Louis can push the right buttons

[PTH]

I like this deal, but it's still hard to predict if Gurianov gets re-signed or even gets a qualifying offer.

I expect he'll get a Pitlick-like, 2-years at 1.1M type of offer. Hard to turn down if you're still hoping to make it in the NHL, but can be buried if he doesn't find his game.

I just hope no one is blinded if he scores 7 goals in 20 games and we think we have a star...

[drkcloud]

I'm not interested in reclamation projects, too many years of Bergie dumpster deals. Gurianov has size but doesn't exactly play big. I will not be upset if they just cut him loose in a couple monthes, I don't see a future for him here. A third would have been nice.. and shocking really.

[Skilly]

I'd like to know where they are finding all this cap space?

Anyhoo, Gurianov has 20 games. Then we either got nothing for Dadonov, or we got another $3 million dollar player that we really don't need eating up cap space. Then again, it's looking like next year is another tank year.

[NWTHabsFan]

Well at least Hughes gave us fans something to talk about other than those mysterious injury updates. That alone gives this trade a 👍 😆.

[seventeen]

Feb 26, 2023 12:24:51 GMT -5 folatre said:

I like this trade. Gurianov has obviously been a passenger on the Stars this season, but he is bigger, faster and considerably younger than Dadanov.

What is Dallas thinking here? Even with the Habs retaining half, it only saves them about half a million against the cap. The trade just seems sort of unbalanced asset-wise.

Is Hughes about to deliver the rest of Montreal’s payment in terms of being the third-party retaining money in a Kane or Meier to Dallas deal?

A few years ago, I saw Gurianov in a couple of Dallas games close together and thought that Dallas had made one pretty good pick. He was big, fast, shifty and difficult to dislodge from the puck. I honestly thought he was a rising star, and then he seems to have sputtered. The physical parts are there and if Marty can work that magic with him, he could be (honestly) another Dach like acquisition, except at wing. Maybe he doesn't like back checking and that will put you in every coach's bad books. He's another guy from that 2015 draft, so the vintage is good.

It's a gamble, but I'm so pleased to see Hughes actually making these bets. Realistically, what have we got to lose except some of Geoff Molson's money and the Habs have plenty of that. The big win was originally getting rid of Weber's contract and gaining $7.8MM in CAP space. Everything else was grave, so Gurianov could be some tasty gravy, or something that ends up in the compost bin. Nothing but upside.

PS. I seem to be using a lot of food metaphors. Hungry anyone?

[folatre]

I would imagine, since the cap issues next season are unlikely to be acute unless Dubois appears on the scene a year early, that Gurianov is still a Hab in 2023-24 unless he proves truly awful in this twenty game audition or mopes around in practice/in the room.

It could be one year on the qualifying offer or maybe two with a lower AAV. However, I would say he is not likely to sign a Pitlick level deal because his take home pay in the KHL would be higher.

[Willie Dog]

Feb 26, 2023 17:35:19 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Feb 26, 2023 12:24:51 GMT -5 folatre said:

I like this trade. Gurianov has obviously been a passenger on the Stars this season, but he is bigger, faster and considerably younger than Dadanov.

What is Dallas thinking here? Even with the Habs retaining half, it only saves them about half a million against the cap. The trade just seems sort of unbalanced asset-wise.

Is Hughes about to deliver the rest of Montreal’s payment in terms of being the third-party retaining money in a Kane or Meier to Dallas deal?

A few years ago, I saw Gurianov in a couple of Dallas games close together and thought that Dallas had made one pretty good pick. He was big, fast, shifty and difficult to dislodge from the puck. I honestly thought he was a rising star, and then he seems to have sputtered. The physical parts are there and if Marty can work that magic with him, he could be (honestly) another Dach like acquisition, except at wing. Maybe he doesn't like back checking and that will put you in every coach's bad books. He's another guy from that 2015 draft, so the vintage is good.

It's a gamble, but I'm so pleased to see Hughes actually making these bets. Realistically, what have we got to lose except some of Geoff Molson's money and the Habs have plenty of that. The big win was originally getting rid of Weber's contract and gaining $7.8MM in CAP space. Everything else was grave, so Gurianov could be some tasty gravy, or something that ends up in the compost bin. Nothing but upside.

PS. I seem to be using a lot of food metaphors. Hungry anyone?

If he turns out to be someone who struggles with a system too structured, MSL may be able to get something out of him, the next 20 games will be interesting... put him with Suze and see what happens

[Willie Dog]

Gurianov gets #25

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[habsorbed]

Feb 26, 2023 20:21:41 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Gurianov gets #25

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Don't expect him to play up to Jacques Lemaire's level, and certainly don't want him getting a hat trick and shoot out winner in his first game. Somewhere in between would be OK.

[Cranky]

On paper, we got a winner. In reality, he has fallen so far, we got a weiner.

Which one did we get? A winner or a weiner? Looks good here, three years ago...

[Cranky]

I popped into the scoreboard and he had 5 shots at that poimt.

How did he play last night?

(My tablet hates me. I wrote popped, it wrote pooped. My wife got it for me as a present. Go figure...)

[PTH]

Mar 1, 2023 16:49:53 GMT -5 Cranky said:

I popped into the scoreboard and he had 5 shots at that poimt.

How did he play last night?

(My tablet hates me. I wrote popped, it wrote pooped. My wife got it for me as a present. Go figure...)

Pretty well, good wheels, size, defensive responsbility. Not a natural scorer, he has a nice shot as a one-timer from the right circle but that's it.

He could've had a couple of points, for sure.

The real question is if he can be consistent, if we get this player every game, we're doing great.

[frozone]

Mar 1, 2023 16:49:53 GMT -5 Cranky said:

I popped into the scoreboard and he had 5 shots at that poimt.

How did he play last night?

(My tablet hates me. I wrote popped, it wrote pooped. My wife got it for me as a present. Go figure...)

I would say that it was a good showing. He was noticeable in a good way, but he's a bit of a wild horse. If his shots were more controlled and accurate, he could have had at least 2 goals last night. He finished with 6 shots and his closest chance probably wasn't even registered as a shot since it hit the side of the net. He really tries to kill the puck on his one-timers. They will be highlight reel when they connect, but he will score a lot more goals if he can dial it down a bit.

There are tools there for sure. What I liked the most is that he knows how to get open on the PP for the one-timer. Doesn't seem totally lost in the neutral zone but he wasn't in sync with his linemates either. The game last night was weird, though. It was a fast game but very disjointed, so difficult to judge.

Regardless, if he plays every game like he did last night, it should eventually produce and we will be very happy. And if his good play doesn't lead to production, Jiri Sekac would be a good comparable imo.

[Cranky]

Thanks guys...

I saw the youtube of him and he seems to be an opportunist more then a force. Nothing fancy other then a quick wrister.

I didn't think much about Dandenov so it's at worst, a lateral move, at best, a story to be written.

Let's see....