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Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2023 14:20:20 GMT -5
Michkov might also prefer to go to Washington, give that Ovechkin is there, but will Ovie be there in 2026? With the politics in Russia and the necessary bootlicking that goes along with that you never know and maybe HuGo have read the tea leaves correctly and plan to avoid it. Can't blame them, but I sure would like to lay my hands on a talent like Michkov. Then you select him, and trade his rights to Washington for their next three first rounders (unprotected of course) ... I'm all over washington's picks in the next few years. Let's do that. The fact he's attending is a positive. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 19, 2023 16:13:17 GMT -5
TSN now reporting that Michkov will be granting interviews in Nashville before the draft.
Rut-roh , there goes Montreal's chances of drafting him. No one likes to take the hard test
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 19, 2023 23:24:50 GMT -5
TSN now reporting that Michkov will be granting interviews in Nashville before the draft. Rut-roh , there goes Montreal's chances of drafting him. No one likes to take the hard test Depends who is given the privilege of interviewing him. No doubt the Caps will be on the list. But if the Habs are on the list and he is still around at #5 then i think it may be worth the gamble. Chi ain't picking him and there is no way he's interested in Columbus. He might want California (SJ or Anaheim) but i doubt it as they are not exactly hockey towns. So Habs may be the team with best draft pick to interview him. I'm not liking what I'm reading about his entitled attitude. Some even use the word "a$$hole" to describe how he is with teammates and management. Perhaps it's just immaturity. But if he doesn't want to interview with us and we can't get a chance to feel him out then I'd pass. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 22, 2023 7:43:28 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 22, 2023 8:21:07 GMT -5
This is like being a kid in a candy store. You love caramilk bars but you also like milky way and snickers. You are fifth in line and you can get a good candy but only one of your favorite five. You can sulk and throw a tantrum but you are fortunate to get a good bar. Michkov is a great player with talent that may only be available once in a GMs lifetime. If he never comes to America it’s still the right choice. We have a full cupboard of good to very good prospects but no superstars. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 22, 2023 8:35:36 GMT -5
Michkov is a great player with talent that may only be available once in a GMs lifetime. If he never comes to America it’s still the right choice. We have a full cupboard of good to very good prospects but no superstars. This exactly. If we take him and it doesn't work out for whatever reason, I think even most critics will still look back and say it was the right decision in the moment. You don't pass on potentially elite talent because you don't want to wait 3 years, or you can't interview him, or don't trust him to develop properly in the KHL. You take the risk. Plus I'm not sure we'd be foregoing a great talent in the likes on Benson or Leonard. Honestly, this should be an easy choice. So much smoke on this one. Maybe the Sharks end the drama and take him at #4. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 22, 2023 8:44:08 GMT -5
It seems to boil down to the fact that we may not be comfortable with players exercising their power. Well we know prior management had a serious problem with some players (cough-PK-cough) establishing their own brand separate from the team. All you need to do is follow the NBA to see what the era of "player empowerment" looks like. I'm not anti-management or pro player, but the NHL along with MLB are probably the most "old school" in terms of embracing this stuff. If Michkov is trying to send a signal to teams that would draft him that he's not so hot on playing there, then I don't have a problem with that. The fact that he's under contract with the KHL means he will have some leverage when the time comes to sign a pro deal. Michkov in three years will have a choice, three years of NHL entry level contracts or millions of tax free rubles from a wealthy oil company KHL team. He will have to wait six years for the big payday. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 22, 2023 8:54:02 GMT -5
Michkov is a great player with talent that may only be available once in a GMs lifetime. If he never comes to America it’s still the right choice. We have a full cupboard of good to very good prospects but no superstars. This exactly. If we take him and it doesn't work out for whatever reason, I think even most critics will still look back and say it was the right decision in the moment. You don't pass on potentially elite talent because you don't want to wait 3 years, or you can't interview him, or don't trust him to develop properly in the KHL. You take the risk. Plus I'm not sure we'd be foregoing a great talent in the likes on Benson or Leonard. Honestly, this should be an easy choice. So much smoke on this one. Maybe the Sharks end the drama and take him at #4. I agree. This reminds me of drafting Dionne or Lafleur. Both were great but choose one. Dionne had a faster start and better career numbers but Lafleur shone brightest. Pick one with no regrets. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 22, 2023 13:39:55 GMT -5
I think even most critics will still look back and say it was the right decision in the moment. You don't pass on potentially elite talent because you don't want to wait 3 years, or you can't interview him, or don't trust him to develop properly in the KHL. You take the risk. Plus I'm not sure we'd be foregoing a great talent in the likes on Benson or Leonard. Honestly, this should be an easy choice. So much smoke on this one. Maybe the Sharks end the drama and take him at #4. Interesting point on 32 Thoughts yesterday. Friedge and Marek brought up the point that Pat Verbeek worked under Yzerman for many years and one trait he may have picked up (or has picked up) is not giving a damn what others think and not being afraid to 'go off the board'. The obvious example is Moritz Seider who most scouts rated much lower than pick 6, but is now making Yzerman look like a genius. So what am I getting at? They said that the Ducks might take Michkov at #2. It's actually a valid point. The Ducks aren't winning anything in the next 2-3 years. They have Mason McTavish apprenticing at centre and Trevor Zegras, Ryan Strome, Isac Lundestrom and Adam Henrique at centre right now. Not the absolute strongest, but pretty good. They may not need a centre, like Fantilli, and are willing to roll the dice on a player closer to Bedard's level. These are all the same arguments many of us are proposing for picking him rather than Benson or Leonard or Reinbacher etc. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 22, 2023 14:08:15 GMT -5
I think even most critics will still look back and say it was the right decision in the moment. You don't pass on potentially elite talent because you don't want to wait 3 years, or you can't interview him, or don't trust him to develop properly in the KHL. You take the risk. Plus I'm not sure we'd be foregoing a great talent in the likes on Benson or Leonard. Honestly, this should be an easy choice. So much smoke on this one. Maybe the Sharks end the drama and take him at #4. Interesting point on 32 Thoughts yesterday. Friedge and Marek brought up the point that Pat Verbeek worked under Yzerman for many years and one trait he may have picked up (or has picked up) is not giving a damn what others think and not being afraid to 'go off the board'. The obvious example is Moritz Seider who most scouts rated much lower than pick 6, but is now making Yzerman look like a genius. So what am I getting at? They said that the Ducks might take Michkov at #2. It's actually a valid point. The Ducks aren't winning anything in the next 2-3 years. They have Mason McTavish apprenticing at centre and Trevor Zegras, Ryan Strome, Isac Lundestrom and Adam Henrique at centre right now. Not the absolute strongest, but pretty good. They may not need a centre, like Fantilli, and are willing to roll the dice on a player closer to Bedard's level. These are all the same arguments many of us are proposing for picking him rather than Benson or Leonard or Reinbacher etc. An interesting bit of speculation. So if that were the case, that Michkov is Verbeek's guy, then I'd imagine that Anaheim would be open to the idea of trading down to #5. If you're the Habs in that situation, how aggressive are you in trying to trade up? Is it worth the assets, or is it fine to let things play out and have Smith or Carlsson fall into your lap at 5. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 22, 2023 14:53:13 GMT -5
I rather have Fantilli at number 3 and give them what it reasonably takes to get him.
I would also do Dubois.
We would have the best center core in the NHL and be set for a decade.
Three is no such thing as too much talent...
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Post by folatre on Jun 22, 2023 15:02:32 GMT -5
Verbeek may like Michkov, but does he like him more than Fantilli? But the basic point those guys are making is logical: teams who are in a deep rebuild need whoever projects to be the biggest difference-maker in the future because the short-run is what it is. That is why I think Capitals fans are nutty if they really think Michkov falls to #8. Why would multiple teams in deep rebuild mode pass on him?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 22, 2023 17:44:07 GMT -5
Verbeek may like Michkov, but does he like him more than Fantilli? But the basic point those guys are making is logical: teams who are in a deep rebuild need whoever projects to be the biggest difference-maker in the future because the short-run is what it is. That is why I think Capitals fans are nutty if they really think Michkov falls to #8. Why would multiple teams in deep rebuild mode pass on him? So many rumors. OK, I’ll start one. Michkov was photographed with a girl and he shared the picture with his teammates. Now there is more reason for him to drop to us at five. I really want to see him in a Hab’s uniform. If it pisses off Bettman that is a bonus. Betman will be gone in three years. Watching the parade in Vegas I understand why he is called BETman. Over/under? |
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 22, 2023 23:00:11 GMT -5
I say take Michie if he's available as none of the players after him are particularly enticing. But my guess is, particulrly after the interviews, that Michie will not be available at #5. And i'm good with any of the others. Can never have to many centres. What the great hockey mind Burgerhead said - "Good centres are hard to get" - particulrly if your inept.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 23, 2023 5:55:16 GMT -5
l Can never have to many centres. What the great hockey mind Burgerhead said - "Good centres are hard to get" - particulrly if your inept. That's poetic |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2023 14:07:12 GMT -5
I'm taking Fantilli before Michkov. Size matters when competing for a cup.
It's the equivilant of Dubois at his best versus CC in a playoff series.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 23, 2023 15:03:54 GMT -5
I'm taking Fantilli before Michkov. Size matters when competing for a cup. It's the equivilant of Dubois at his best versus CC in a playoff series. Size matters when the player uses it, regardless of the situation... I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of games with PLD in them but I don't think D men are too concerned when he's on the ice and that is what this team is missing right now, someone who will force D men to have a swivel for a neck... of course they also have to produce... Now Josh can sometimes be the swivel guy but he doesn't have the IQ to be productive... he's just a banshee on ice sometimes And when it comes to playoffs goals matter and CC scores goals... |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2023 16:16:22 GMT -5
I'm taking Fantilli before Michkov. Size matters when competing for a cup. It's the equivilant of Dubois at his best versus CC in a playoff series. Size matters when the player uses it, regardless of the situation... I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of games with PLD in them but I don't think D men are too concerned when he's on the ice and that is what this team is missing right now, someone who will force D men to have a swivel for a neck... of course they also have to produce... Now Josh can sometimes be the swivel guy but he doesn't have the IQ to be productive... he's just a banshee on ice sometimes And when it comes to playoffs goals matter and CC scores goals... I've seen PLD a bit and I don't think he has any issues going to the dirty areas or scoring from 2 1/2 feet out (John Ferguson's favourite spot). BTW, he'll be 25 tomorrow. Not a big issue but 24 sounds so much younger than 25, doesn't it? |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2023 18:12:36 GMT -5
I'm taking Fantilli before Michkov. Size matters when competing for a cup. It's the equivilant of Dubois at his best versus CC in a playoff series. Size matters when the player uses it, regardless of the situation... I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of games with PLD in them but I don't think D men are too concerned when he's on the ice and that is what this team is missing right now, someone who will force D men to have a swivel for a neck... of course they also have to produce... Now Josh can sometimes be the swivel guy but he doesn't have the IQ to be productive... he's just a banshee on ice sometimes And when it comes to playoffs goals matter and CC scores goals... Two years ago he terrorized the Laffs in their series. They had to change their underwear every period. That was more valuable then an extra goal in a series. On the other hand, we walked all over them on the series with us and he was a non factor. This is why I said..."at his best". That is also why I would take Fantilli over Michkov. That's assuming Michkov is a 100 point producer vs an 80 point producer with a lot of bad hair day intangibles. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 23, 2023 19:44:07 GMT -5
Size matters when the player uses it, regardless of the situation... I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of games with PLD in them but I don't think D men are too concerned when he's on the ice and that is what this team is missing right now, someone who will force D men to have a swivel for a neck... of course they also have to produce... Now Josh can sometimes be the swivel guy but he doesn't have the IQ to be productive... he's just a banshee on ice sometimes And when it comes to playoffs goals matter and CC scores goals... Two years ago he terrorized the Laffs in their series. They had to change their underwear every period. That was more valuable then an extra goal in a series. On the other hand, we walked all over them on the series with us and he was a non factor. This is why I said..."at his best". That is also why I would take Fantilli over Michkov. That's assuming Michkov is a 100 point producer vs an 80 point producer with a lot of bad hair day intangibles. I agree about having a guy with a bad attitude, but I also want the guy to produce consistently and not be a guy who pouts... had enough with Drouin. PLD pouted with Columbus and he pouted with the Jets, we can't afford to have someone with a long expensive contract who pouts as this team is starting to develop into something I hope will be very special. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 23, 2023 22:58:54 GMT -5
Something is happening in Ruzzia right now.
There is a slight chance that Michkov won't have the same Ruzzia to go back to in a few days.
BTW...never keen to see this in a nuclear state even if it means the end of Putler.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 23, 2023 23:01:30 GMT -5
Something is happening in Ruzzia right now. There is a slight chance that Michkov won't have the same Ruzzia to go back to in a few days. BTW...never keen to see this in a nuclear state even if it means the end of Putler. Looks like Wagner has turned on puta |
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 24, 2023 11:37:42 GMT -5
Something is happening in Ruzzia right now. There is a slight chance that Michkov won't have the same Ruzzia to go back to in a few days. BTW...never keen to see this in a nuclear state even if it means the end of Putler. Looks like Wagner has turned on puta Ya if i were Mich and his handlers, I might, after the draft, decide to visit the city that drafts the kid. Just write the letter Dear Vlad, Hope you're doing well and not wiping out like a drunken sailor as you did last time you tried to play hockey. It's been decided that immediately after the draft, I should tour the town that drafts me to get a better sense of the place and whether I wish to leave the great motherland 3 years from now. I think it would be wise for me to do it now while I'm in North America. One LAST THING, I'm told with the housing crisis it can take months, maybe even years, to really get a sense of the right home for me which is what I need to properly develop and hopefully one day represent The Federation in the Olympics, if we're ever allowed to re-join the international community again. Time will tell, but maybe we'll meet at your new home in Belarus or Peru soon! Hoping you can be humble and recognize when it's time! Matvei |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2023 17:10:36 GMT -5
Briere at Philly has made noises about moving to 5th for Michkov.
Their 7 plus 22nd and Foester will do it. We may land up with Leonard or who?
We won't get any stars but we will get mid to top 6 players out of that deal.
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Post by PTH on Jun 26, 2023 17:20:43 GMT -5
Briere at Philly has made noises about moving to 5th for Michkov. Their 7 plus 22nd and Foester will do it. We may land up with Leonard or who? We won't get any stars but we will get mid to top 6 players out of that deal. We might also end up with 2 or 3 high end players while Michkov goes the Yakupov route... |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2023 17:35:17 GMT -5
Emily Kaplan , (Anaheim reporter) tweeted that she is hearing that Anaheim are not necessarily set on drafting Fantilli. Carlsson or a surprise (Michkov?) may be selected instead.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2023 17:39:53 GMT -5
Why am I feeling that if Anaheim does not take Fantilli, he might drop to us... Maybe I'm just wishfully thinking
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2023 17:59:20 GMT -5
Briere at Philly has made noises about moving to 5th for Michkov. Their 7 plus 22nd and Foester will do it. We may land up with Leonard or who? We won't get any stars but we will get mid to top 6 players out of that deal. We might also end up with 2 or 3 high end players while Michkov goes the Yakupov route... IF this trade happens AND we get Dubois, it's a game changer for us. Not at the same level as getting Bedard, but this would be a great consolation prize. Maybe even better long term. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 26, 2023 18:34:53 GMT -5
We might also end up with 2 or 3 high end players while Michkov goes the Yakupov route... IF this trade happens AND we get Dubois, it's a game changer for us. Not at the same level as getting Bedard, but this would be a great consolation prize. Maybe even better long term. Adding a Cutter Gauthier and still picking a guy in the top handful, for a high risk Euro pick ? I'd take that risk. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2023 18:54:24 GMT -5
IF this trade happens AND we get Dubois, it's a game changer for us. Not at the same level as getting Bedard, but this would be a great consolation prize. Maybe even better long term. Adding a Cutter Gauthier and still picking a guy in the top handful, for a high risk Euro pick ? I'd take that risk. Foerster had 7 points in 8 game NHL taste. Plus 59 PIMS in 66 AHL games and physical. I like that better. Add Leonard who also has physical, bad hair day style. In fact, add 22nd for Gabe Perrault and I think the Habs are on their way to contenders in a few years. This is a HUGE week that may turn this into a HUGE step forward...or not. |
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