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Post by folatre on Jun 21, 2023 14:47:00 GMT -5
The whole idea that teams will stay away from Michkov because he wants to play for the Capitals is kind of silly. If the kid wants to maximize his career earnings as a professional hockey player, then he is coming to North America in the summer of 2026 regardless of who picks him next week.
Washington, naturally, is more than entitled to be aggressive and trade up to get their guy but hey that is all they can do. Soon enough time will say, but I would be absolutely shocked if San Jose, Montreal, Arizona, and Philadelphia all passed on the Russian. Four teams in rebuild mode and desperately short of high end difference makers cannot be so worried (stupid, to be less polite) that they say no thanks to chance to grab the kid a majority of scouts see as the second most talented player in the draft?
Boston, wouldn't it be wild if Hughes trades down out of the five hole and then flipped that pick to Winnipeg?
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Post by Skilly on Jun 21, 2023 14:55:02 GMT -5
NOBODY is going to give that size package for Dubois. NOBODY. Anderson, 2nd and Harris is about it. Guhle along gets Dubois but that's a no go. Dach is out of the question because that was already the ask and turned down. Dubois is good, but no a star, never mind franchise level return. Losing Florida's pick at 17th was damaging because that and Anderson or Dvorak was enough. Los Ángeles is soon moving on from Kopitar, and pundits are hinting that LA plans to go after PLD hard. The feeling is that Winnipeg wants a Kirby Dach type player, a young RHD, and a draft pick LA could offer Vilardi, Durzi and a draft pick. Montreal has to offer more than that |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2023 15:38:11 GMT -5
I would wouldn't give them that, let him go to LA... he can bunk with Burgerbrain I wouldn't do that deal, either. I wouldn't trade Guhle alone for him. Skilly, you must be seriously underrating Guhle. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 21, 2023 16:03:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't do that deal, either. I wouldn't trade Guhle alone for him. Skilly, you must be seriously underrating Guhle. Everyone needs to read my post again … I’m pretty sure it says OR , not AND .. Ie Winnipeg would want one of Guhle, Harris or Barron Not sure how that’s underrating anyone |
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Post by PTH on Jun 21, 2023 16:39:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Guhle alone for him. Skilly, you must be seriously underrating Guhle. Everyone needs to read my post again … I’m pretty sure it says OR , not AND .. Ie Winnipeg would want one of Guhle, Harris or Barron Not sure how that’s underrating anyone Well, it groups Guhle with the other two, which assumes Winnipeg has all 3 on the table. It could be Anderson, a 1st, a 2nd, Guhle and Beck. That's a lot to give for a 60-point forward, even if he is a big center. Make it Anderson, a late 1st and one of Harris or Barron, and I'm still listening though I find that steep. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 21, 2023 17:40:33 GMT -5
The Kings have been burning through draft picks and frankly even if Rob Blake includes the 2024 first rounder in his offer, Chevaldayoff is probably going to argue that pick is going to be in the bottom-third of the first round.
Vilardi and Durzi are nice players entering their mid-20s, so Winnipeg should be interested. However, these guys are not high impact types at their respective positions. The Kings have not used Vilardi much at centre and perhaps do not see him as a clear top six forward at all if they want to want to give up assets and way more cap space for Dubois. Durzi moves the puck effectively 5v5, runs the PP2 nicely, and is on the way to outperforming the bridge deal he is currently on. Yet he seems like a divisive player because he is high-event in the d-zone; and the combination of average skating and average size makes it hard to project him as a top four guy on a good team.
I don't know. Hockey is debatable. I would say Vilardi, Durzi, and a pick constitutes a solid offer, but nothing overly aggressive. And even if Winnipeg, in theory, was keen on it, I still do not see how the Kings make the cap work if Dubois is $8.5 or $9 and Blake needs to find a quality goalie as well as at least one plug and play d-man who can work on the second or third pair.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 21, 2023 23:01:38 GMT -5
The Kings have been burning through draft picks and frankly even if Rob Blake includes the 2024 first rounder in his offer, Chevaldayoff is probably going to argue that pick is going to be in the bottom-third of the first round. Vilardi and Durzi are nice players entering their mid-20s, so Winnipeg should be interested. However, these guys are not high impact types at their respective positions. The Kings have not used Vilardi much at centre and perhaps do not see him as a clear top six forward at all if they want to want to give up assets and way more cap space for Dubois. Durzi moves the puck effectively 5v5, runs the PP2 nicely, and is on the way to outperforming the bridge deal he is currently on. Yet he seems like a divisive player because he is high-event in the d-zone; and the combination of average skating and average size makes it hard to project him as a top four guy on a good team. I don't know. Hockey is debatable. I would say Vilardi, Durzi, and a pick constitutes a solid offer, but nothing overly aggressive. And even if Winnipeg, in theory, was keen on it, I still do not see how the Kings make the cap work if Dubois is $8.5 or $9 and Blake needs to find a quality goalie as well as at least one plug and play d-man who can work on the second or third pair. One article I read said Winnipeg wanted a Kirby Dach, but Montreal has said he is untouchable ... They speculated that they could find their Kirby Dach in LA in the form of Vivaldi OR Byfield. I didn't want to put both down after the kerfuffle of listing assets Montreal has that Winnipeg could be interested in So, to elaborate ... I feel that Vivaldi and Durzi is better than Anderson and Barron. I included Guhle and Harris as Winnipeg wants, but not assets on the table. If we are offering Anderson and Barron , we'll need to sweet the pot. Our first is 31 and LAs is higher. (We are not trading the fifth) ...so again LA has us beat. So we have to add a 2 nd rounder, or Owen Beck / Joshua Roy. And even then, we might have to give Harris instead of Barron, to pull the deal off. I just don't think we are in the Dubois sweepstakes anymore. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 22, 2023 1:19:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Guhle alone for him. Skilly, you must be seriously underrating Guhle. Everyone needs to read my post again … I’m pretty sure it says OR , not AND .. Ie Winnipeg would want one of Guhle, Harris or Barron Not sure how that’s underrating anyone My bad. I really don't want to trade Harris or Guhle and some of the ideas I've read (mostly not on HabsRus) are scary crazy. Maybe I'm rating Harris too high, but his underlying numbers are good, he's an excellent skater and has A+ character. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 22, 2023 1:24:41 GMT -5
One article I read said Winnipeg wanted a Kirby Dach, but Montreal has said he is untouchable ... They speculated that they could find their Kirby Dach in LA in the form of Vivaldi OR Byfield. I didn't want to put both down after the kerfuffle of listing assets Montreal has that Winnipeg could be interested in So, to elaborate ... I feel that Vivaldi and Durzi is better than Anderson and Barron. I included Guhle and Harris as Winnipeg wants, but not assets on the table. If Vivaldi got moved to the Jets, he'd improve the composition of the team. The trade would also be music to my ears. It's been a long day  |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2023 21:08:15 GMT -5
One article I read said Winnipeg wanted a Kirby Dach, but Montreal has said he is untouchable ... They speculated that they could find their Kirby Dach in LA in the form of Vivaldi OR Byfield. I didn't want to put both down after the kerfuffle of listing assets Montreal has that Winnipeg could be interested in So, to elaborate ... I feel that Vivaldi and Durzi is better than Anderson and Barron. I included Guhle and Harris as Winnipeg wants, but not assets on the table. If Vivaldi got moved to the Jets, he'd improve the composition of the team. The trade would also be music to my ears. It's been a long day From what I'm reading, Winnipeg is going to be a totally different team next year Dubois wants out Hellybuck has requested a trade Wheeler is likely getting bought out if they can't find a trading partner And Schifele is starting to indicate if all those players are gone, he may request a trade too. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2023 0:51:11 GMT -5
Excellent. All those guys need a reset somewhere else.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 25, 2023 13:41:05 GMT -5
Watching the red and white game from Sunday and they had an interesting stat... habs are 22-11 with Monahan in the line up and 19-34 without him.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 15:35:17 GMT -5
Can I ask the context of that 22-11? Are those face-off stats? He only played 25 games last year so its not win - losses.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 25, 2023 15:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 18:25:14 GMT -5
Thanks Willie. I was just watching teh Habs/Devils game on some pseudo RDS station and it cut out. If anyone has a feed for tonight's preseason game, please DM me. Tks.
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