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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2023 5:37:47 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with Price going on LTIR, we have 12 million in cap space. Sooo...will Mol$on do the right thing and pocket it so he can buy another Bentley or are we picking up some cap players? Any guesses on who we pick up to give some cap relief? Laffs? Wings? Tampa? On the other hand, Chicago, Caoyotes and Ducks have a TON of cap space so I'm betting the outhouse that Mol$on will have to make that super tough decision for the colour of that Bentley... www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/ |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 8:25:19 GMT -5
Maybe they could use some of that cap for a 1ST line right winger... Debrincat and Kane are too much to ask for, but maybe a Tarasenko or even bring back Tatar... he plays the right side.
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Post by franko on Jul 3, 2023 9:53:29 GMT -5
Maybe they could use some of that cap for a 1ST line right winger... Debrincat and Kane are too much to ask for, but maybe a Tarasenko or even bring back Tatar... he plays the right side. Do you want Debrincat or Kane, Tarasenko or Tatar, or do you want a first line winner? Sad as it is to say, these guys are no longer elite. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 12:05:07 GMT -5
Maybe they could use some of that cap for a 1ST line right winger... Debrincat and Kane are too much to ask for, but maybe a Tarasenko or even bring back Tatar... he plays the right side. Do you want Debrincat or Kane, Tarasenko or Tatar, or do you want a first line winner? Sad as it is to say, these guys are no longer elite. You are right, but something short term to keep Dach at 2nd line centre because no one else meshed with Suze and CC... a guy like Bertuzzi might have fit in well on a 1 year deal. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 3, 2023 12:58:48 GMT -5
The problem is we have a glut of forwards and defenceman and not enough spots to play them. With cap space so tight, there is no one we could trade them to. The ones with cap space aren't looking to had high priced veterans.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2023 13:43:30 GMT -5
We should take on another Monahan type contract and get a first rounder this year. Some old, overpaid, overweight, balding guy like Cranky or myself, who are over the hill, hockey wise, and who will come off the books next July so their predeliction for spanakopita and chicken parmeggiano won't contaminate the kids.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2023 13:48:23 GMT -5
The trick is to acquire someone who can help the team a bit, maybe become valuable at the TDL, and yet not be an obstacle for the up and coming. Relalistically, the youngsters most likely to make the team (assuming Hughes is able to clear space for them) are RHP, Ylonen and Roy. I'm not counting Newhook since he's guaranteed a spot.
Any scuttle yet on potential deals for Dvorak and maybe Anderson?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 3, 2023 13:51:33 GMT -5
An intriguing player just hit waivers. Filip Zadina. Unfortunately we have no spots.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 14:04:16 GMT -5
We should take on another Monahan type contract and get a first rounder this year. Some old, overpaid, overweight, balding guy like Cranky or myself, who are over the hill, hockey wise, and who will come off the books next July so their predeliction for spanakopita and chicken parmeggiano won't contaminate the kids. Ideally a team who thinks they have a shot at the playoffs (Pitts) and get a 1st rounder out of them... |
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Post by folatre on Jul 3, 2023 14:43:19 GMT -5
The cap space makes it possible to do something, take on a bad expiring contract or whatever. But the number of players already signed makes it a little messy. There are already a couple guys (it remains to be seen who) who will get waived and will no doubt feel sour about it.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2023 15:06:42 GMT -5
An intriguing player just hit waivers. Filip Zadina. Unfortunately we have no spots. Does Zadina know anyone in Habs management? Asking for a friend... (Please don't mention it beyond this board. Hughes is collecting reclamation projects like someone who we use to know and love.) |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2023 15:36:39 GMT -5
Perhaps I need a lesson on how to interpret capfriendly.com , but it's showing us with $0 LTIR. There is the potential to use $9 million, but we can't just use that as money in the bank, we actually have to go over the cap to use it.
We are currently under the cap, even with Price on LTIR, so it doesn't count.
Right now
11 healthy forwards @ $40.3 million
7 defensemen @ $13.1 million
2 goalies @ $4.8 million
4 players on IR @ $11.6 million
That's $69.8 million
Price @ $10.5 million
Edmundson @ $1.75 million
Alzner @ $0.8 million
That all equals $82.85 million
We have Alex Newhook as the only unsigned player ... so let's say he signs for $3.0 million. That puts us at $85.85 million
However, our cap is based on 15 forwards. Only 12-13 per game will count on the cap. So let's say Pezetta, Pitlick and RHP don't dress more often than not, ...there's your 3 million.
**EDIT**
We also have $1.1 million in performance bonuses from last year we have to account for.
**PS**
I also think the NHL needs to close the loophole. If you have a $10.5 million goalie on LTIR, his replacement on the roster should not be allowed to be a forward or a defenseman, unless he plays between the pipes
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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2023 15:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2023 15:45:13 GMT -5
Capfriendly.com has us $600,000 over the $83.5 million cap ... Counting Price .. 🤷‍♂️ |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 16:36:57 GMT -5
Cap friendly has the following
MONTREAL CANADIENS
PROJECTED CAP HIT: $84,109,166
PROJECTED LTIR USED: $0
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $0 (-$609,166)
PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES:
CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES: $10,500,000
CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES: $9,890,834
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2023 17:36:19 GMT -5
Cap friendly has the following MONTREAL CANADIENS PROJECTED CAP HIT: $84,109,166 PROJECTED LTIR USED: $0 PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $0 (-$609,166) PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES: CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES: $10,500,000 CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES: $9,890,834 That’s right $0 used. And it counts Carey Price. So how can we use LTIR, when we don’t need it We have 1 candidate, but that’s doesn’t mean it will be used or required |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 18:06:53 GMT -5
Cap friendly has the following MONTREAL CANADIENS PROJECTED CAP HIT: $84,109,166 PROJECTED LTIR USED: $0 PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $0 (-$609,166) PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES: CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES: $10,500,000 CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES: $9,890,834 That’s right $0 used. And it counts Carey Price. So how can we use LTIR, when we don’t need it We have 1 candidate, but that’s doesn’t mean it will be used or required I agree but they can bring in someone for 1 year, like the leafs did with bertuzzi |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2023 21:19:31 GMT -5
That’s right $0 used. And it counts Carey Price. So how can we use LTIR, when we don’t need it We have 1 candidate, but that’s doesn’t mean it will be used or required I agree but they can bring in someone for 1 year, like the leafs did with bertuzzi Yes, they can, BUT they can't use PRICE's LTIR to do so ... The only thing Price's LTIR could potentially be used on is Newhook's contract and even that is questionable. We can't go out and sign a $10.5 million player now and claim we have the LTIR space. That not how it works. We only have one person not under contract. And when he is signed, and you ice your 13 forwards and 7 defensemen, you'll see we will be way under the cap ....THEN you add Price's contract on to that ... whatever is above $83,5 million, is our LTIR replacement amount. That's how I understand it anyway. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2023 22:28:59 GMT -5
I agree but they can bring in someone for 1 year, like the leafs did with bertuzzi Yes, they can, BUT they can't use PRICE's LTIR to do so ... The only thing Price's LTIR could potentially be used on is Newhook's contract and even that is questionable. We can't go out and sign a $10.5 million player now and claim we have the LTIR space. That not how it works. We only have one person not under contract. And when he is signed, and you ice your 13 forwards and 7 defensemen, you'll see we will be way under the cap ....THEN you add Price's contract on to that ... whatever is above $83,5 million, is our LTIR replacement amount. That's how I understand it anyway. I get it... we have to be cap compliant on opening day and ideally you want to be as close to the cap as possible to max out the ltir amount puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap. The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool” If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later. |
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Post by Polarice on Jul 4, 2023 6:37:13 GMT -5
From what I know, we can only use LTR money after the first month of so of hockey is played. So....if in December we want to make a trade with a team like Toronto for Nylander, we would have the cap room for his contract. Unless CP decides to play in February lol.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jul 4, 2023 21:32:07 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with Price going on LTIR, we have 12 million in cap space. Any guesses on who we pick up to give some cap relief? Laffs? Wings? Tampa? www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/Whoever gives us the best prospect or pick to take on short term salary. At least that's the most obvious scenario to me. The Habs are in the thick of a rebuild and have a looooooooooong way to go to field an elite team. Shizz, they even have a long way to go to make it out of the cellar of the Atlantic so I think the strategy they're following of developing their young players makes sense. I just think they are too far away from using the cap space for anything else. Develop the kids, create a positive culture, get rid of crappy contracts. The plan is long term pain, longer term gain. But with the foundation of quicksand that this group inherited, I think it's the best option. They're not gonna turn this around overnight so they might as well try to build a team that is competitive for the long haul. I hope......... |
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Post by Habit on Jul 5, 2023 10:23:39 GMT -5
Just for fun I took the current roster from CapFriendly and compared their draft rounds. This is what I got: | Round | Roster Players | | 1st | 10 | | 2nd | 2 | | 3rd | 4 | | 4th | 3 | | 5th | 2 | | 6th | 1 | | 7th | 2 | | Undrafted | 1 | | Total | 25 PLayers |
Looks like management is targeting skill. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2023 11:43:28 GMT -5
Just for fun I took the current roster from CapFriendly and compared their draft rounds. This is what I got: | Round | Roster Players | | 1st | 10 | | 2nd | 2 | | 3rd | 4 | | 4th | 3 | | 5th | 2 | | 6th | 1 | | 7th | 2 | | Undrafted | 1 | | Total | 25 PLayers |
Looks like management is targeting skill. I think we can all agree that the 1 undrafted guy has made us very happy habs fans... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 9, 2023 16:15:35 GMT -5
Add Joel Edmundson @ $1,750,000 to the Dead Cap Space ... CapFriendly refers ... Cheers. |
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