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Post by PTH on Sept 11, 2023 22:37:24 GMT -5
OK, I have a thought, bear with me for a sec.
Hughes has been clear he wanted to clear cap to avoid needing to start the season with Price on LTIR, which would mean performance bonuses from this season don't get bumped forward, so that he has as much cap as possible for 24-25. Now, given how he retained on Petry to get him gone, and the way cap space is at a huge premium right now, I wonder if Hughes isn't bluffing about wanting to lower the teams cap... unless someone like Armia is taken on waivers (bloody unlikely), I think it's well-near impossible to expect to get far enough below the cap to be able to keep Price off LTIR early on.
That being said.... this would mean the Habs might be able to take on a bad contract, much like they did with Monahan, gaining a first in the process.
Ottawa and Vancouver are apparently in a cap crunch, I have to assume the thought has occurred to Hughes that losing some flexibility in 24-25 (when the cap is going up anyways) might not be so bad if he got back another first or a couple of seconds...
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Post by folatre on Sept 11, 2023 23:02:36 GMT -5
I cannot see any scenario where the Habs get under the cap without Price starting the season on LTIR, so basically I think Hughes was engaging in some wishful thinking aloud.
I am not sure about all the kids who could trigger significant performance bonuses this season, but compared to last season when Caufield was still on his ELC, I think the possibility of Slafkovsky going off on NHL goalies this year is not overly acute so I think at the end of the day whatever damage Slafkovsky or Guhle does is just the cost of doing business and thus they adjust next season thanks to the cap going up significantly and Edmundson/Alzner coming off the books.
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Post by PTH on Sept 11, 2023 23:11:49 GMT -5
I cannot see any scenario where the Habs get under the cap without Price starting the season on LTIR, so basically I think Hughes was engaging in some wishful thinking aloud. This leads to the question - if we have (roughly) 6M in cap room available, is there any kind of a way to weaponize it? Does someone need to dump a 1-year contract to make room for Patrick Kane ? |
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Post by curvyduck on Sept 12, 2023 2:35:34 GMT -5
OK, I have a thought, bear with me for a sec. Hughes has been clear he wanted to clear cap to avoid needing to start the season with Price on LTIR, which would mean performance bonuses from this season don't get bumped forward, so that he has as much cap as possible for 24-25. Now, given how he retained on Petry to get him gone, and the way cap space is at a huge premium right now, I wonder if Hughes isn't bluffing about wanting to lower the teams cap... unless someone like Armia is taken on waivers (bloody unlikely), I think it's well-near impossible to expect to get far enough below the cap to be able to keep Price off LTIR early on. That being said.... this would mean the Habs might be able to take on a bad contract, much like they did with Monahan, gaining a first in the process. Ottawa and Vancouver are apparently in a cap crunch, I have to assume the thought has occurred to Hughes that losing some flexibility in 24-25 (when the cap is going up anyways) might not be so bad if he got back another first or a couple of seconds... We can easily get under the cap with some paper transactions... |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 12, 2023 7:35:03 GMT -5
OK, I have a thought, bear with me for a sec. Hughes has been clear he wanted to clear cap to avoid needing to start the season with Price on LTIR, which would mean performance bonuses from this season don't get bumped forward, so that he has as much cap as possible for 24-25. Now, given how he retained on Petry to get him gone, and the way cap space is at a huge premium right now, I wonder if Hughes isn't bluffing about wanting to lower the teams cap... unless someone like Armia is taken on waivers (bloody unlikely), I think it's well-near impossible to expect to get far enough below the cap to be able to keep Price off LTIR early on. That being said.... this would mean the Habs might be able to take on a bad contract, much like they did with Monahan, gaining a first in the process. Ottawa and Vancouver are apparently in a cap crunch, I have to assume the thought has occurred to Hughes that losing some flexibility in 24-25 (when the cap is going up anyways) might not be so bad if he got back another first or a couple of seconds... We can easily get under the cap with some paper transactions... I agree we can get under , but it won’t be that easy now. Prior to taking on DeSmith and Lidström it would have been easy-peasy Our cap hit on cap friendly current counts 14 forwards - only 13 will count to the cap 10 defense - only 7 will count to the cap 4 goalies - only 3 will count to the cap 2 retained salaries 1 buyout Performance bonuses from last year Habs are currently $4.7 million above the cap (counting Price) Ways to get under the cap Christian Dvorak is currently not medically cleared to play They could dump Jake Allen ($3.85 million) Reinbacher , Lidström, and Barron play in AHL / Europe ($2.8 million) I’m sure there are other combinations and permutations as well |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 12, 2023 13:29:15 GMT -5
Maybe this discussion is already past this point, but from what I've made of Hughes' comments, he wants to be able to put Carey on LTIR moments after the season 'starts'. The goal is to be as close to the CAP ceiling as possible before that point in time. I don't understand it all but putting Carey on LTIR after the season starts gives Hughes Price's full salary to use and has some other technical benefits. I got the impression he has moves he can make to manage that, but would prefer some other path (who wouldn't, like trading Dvorak for picks).
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Post by Cranky on Sept 12, 2023 16:42:43 GMT -5
I'm too busy with my own money machinations to worry about Molsons. All i care about is no tricks to pack Molsons bank.
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Post by PTH on Sept 12, 2023 20:22:41 GMT -5
Maybe this discussion is already past this point, but from what I've made of Hughes' comments, he wants to be able to put Carey on LTIR moments after the season 'starts'. The goal is to be as close to the CAP ceiling as possible before that point in time. I don't understand it all but putting Carey on LTIR after the season starts gives Hughes Price's full salary to use and has some other technical benefits. I got the impression he has moves he can make to manage that, but would prefer some other path (who wouldn't, like trading Dvorak for picks). On paper, it would be possible to get down to close to the cap, even with Price not on LTIR, therefore some bonuses are paid out this year instead of being punted to 24-25. The issue now is that the Habs seem to be halfway between two good situations: -be below the cap (so bonuses are paid) -be as close as possible to the cap, to make best use of available LTIR cap space. If there's no realistic way forward to get below the cap, might as well take on a bad 1-year contract for some picks... |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 13, 2023 10:17:43 GMT -5
Maybe this discussion is already past this point, but from what I've made of Hughes' comments, he wants to be able to put Carey on LTIR moments after the season 'starts'. The goal is to be as close to the CAP ceiling as possible before that point in time. I don't understand it all but putting Carey on LTIR after the season starts gives Hughes Price's full salary to use and has some other technical benefits. I got the impression he has moves he can make to manage that, but would prefer some other path (who wouldn't, like trading Dvorak for picks). The R in LTIR is “Replacement” … if we start the season with a full roster and are under the cap, we can’t put Price on LTIR. He is already replaced The only way we can use Price’s LTIR, is if we need that room to ice a full roster to start the season. So, we need to ADD players, get right up to the 10% room. Then we’d be able to use Price’s 10.5 million to cover it. And we could use the rest if we put someone else on LTIR (like Dvorak to start the season) |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 13, 2023 14:03:07 GMT -5
he wants to be able to put Carey on LTIR moments after the season 'starts'. To clarify, I think he wants to be as close to the CAP as he can, including Carey's contract. Season starts...he puts Price on LTIR and we suddenly have $10,500 of CAP space to use. CAPfriendly is showing us at $4.728MM above the CAP. That figure seems to be including Price's contract, so we have to shed that amount. Dvorak's contract would basically do that. Which middle of the group team needs a 2-3 C (and has CAP space) to help get them over the hump? |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 13, 2023 14:09:37 GMT -5
I'm sure someone can stab a toe and not be available at the start of the season...
"Hello Ghally, how's you toes?"
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BTW...to get across with some humour, I use to go around with a sledge hammer checking if people were wearing their safety shoes.
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Post by curvyduck on Sept 13, 2023 14:45:15 GMT -5
The R in LTIR is “Replacement” … if we start the season with a full roster and are under the cap, we can’t put Price on LTIR. He is already replaced The only way we can use Price’s LTIR, is if we need that room to ice a full roster to start the season. So, we need to ADD players, get right up to the 10% room. Then we’d be able to use Price’s 10.5 million to cover it. And we could use the rest if we put someone else on LTIR (like Dvorak to start the season) The R is for Reserve and not Replacement. And we absolutely can put Price on the LTIR right as the season starts. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 13, 2023 18:43:38 GMT -5
The R in LTIR is “Replacement” … if we start the season with a full roster and are under the cap, we can’t put Price on LTIR. He is already replaced The only way we can use Price’s LTIR, is if we need that room to ice a full roster to start the season. So, we need to ADD players, get right up to the 10% room. Then we’d be able to use Price’s 10.5 million to cover it. And we could use the rest if we put someone else on LTIR (like Dvorak to start the season) The R is for Reserve and not Replacement. And we absolutely can put Price on the LTIR right as the season starts. Welcome to the board, curvyduck ... please take a moment to review our Code of Conduct, and enjoy your stay ... always great getting new members ... looking forward to reading more of your opinions ... Cheers. |
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