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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 14, 2023 18:37:35 GMT -5
Coverage of rookie camp from Engels... I copied some of the things that stood out for me www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/reinbacher-one-of-five-players-to-keep-an-eye-on-at-canadiens-rookie-camp/Reinbacher Orville showed up at rookie camp 15 pounds heavier than he was at the development camp in July... 6'3" 209 lbs now Mailloux Members of the Canadiens’ development staff have told us they see him as arguably their best prospect, and he appears very keen on proving them right immediately. To prepare, Mailloux has spent the last month near Montreal, living with former Canadien Paul Byron and his family, and skating with several members of the team. Really nice to see the young guys coming early and spending time in Montreal... I Think Slick Nick has been a good role model for this and is setting an example. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 14, 2023 21:36:25 GMT -5
If Reinmaker and Mailman make the team right off the bat, I'm going to bleed my wallet by getting Center Ice.
I read elsewhere that Mailman is up in the 230 range.
Just imagine these young guys competing on who is going to be tougher, meaner, crush more, led by X and Guhle.
Ministry Of Pain....
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Post by folatre on Sept 15, 2023 12:47:46 GMT -5
18 year old Reinbacher weighs 209 lbs. now? Wow, that is solid since the reports from the camp say he is super mobile.
Mailloux is showing great maturity as this process continues. One step at a time. Based on the free-wheeling style he played in London, I believe he needs a season in the A to refine his game so he can be a two-way beast.
I am curious to see more of Heinemann, though for now I think he stands no chance of making the roster because there are still dead weight vets blocking his path. But hey, he barely had a cup of coffee in Laval, so proving down there that he can play in all situations and light the lamp is not a bad thing.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2023 13:18:24 GMT -5
I am hopeful Laval can male the playoffs this year. I'm going to try and catch a game there in November. I went pre-pandemic and the place had a great atmosphere
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 15, 2023 21:36:30 GMT -5
I am hopeful Laval can male the playoffs this year. I'm going to try and catch a game there in November. I went pre-pandemic and the place had a great atmosphere Our GM has treated us to the worst records in team history, but we were told that our prospects are great. Our great prospects lost to Buffalo. Not a funeral procession but not a Cup Parade either. Dreaming about Wright and Michkov. Didn’t waste a first and fifth overall but didn’t maximize potential. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2023 1:54:20 GMT -5
[ Our GM has treated us to the worst records in team history, but we were told that our prospects are great. Our great prospects lost to Buffalo. Not a funeral procession but not a Cup Parade either. Dreaming about Wright and Michkov. Didn’t waste a first and fifth overall but didn’t maximize potential. The rookie tournament is hardly a yardstick to use to judge our prospects. Slaf, Hutson, Tuch, Engstrom, Guhle, Xhekaj, Harris, etc. did not play/ Those are all kids 22 or under. Also I have no idea who Buffalo dressed. Some years, teams play their older rookies, none of whom will ever make their team, but fill out the roster. There were names on our team that I didn't recognize and I should know all the 'legitimate' prospects. Fillers. We just have to look to see who played well and who struggled to get a read on our prospects. Beck was good, Trudeau was excellent, Heineman so-so, and Mailloux struggled, though he was paired with one of those "who the hell is that guy?" players. Had problems with positioning in the D zone and was ok in the offensive zone. Dobes was good in goal in the first and kept the team in it. That's about it for what I read from people who were at the game and decent evaluators. Beck had two assists and backchecked a Buffalo to prevent a breakaway goal. Roy had a goal. |
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Post by franko on Sept 16, 2023 10:12:05 GMT -5
Our GM has treated us to the worst records in team history, but we were told that our prospects are great. Our great prospects lost to Buffalo. Not a funeral procession but not a Cup Parade either. Dreaming about Wright and Michkov. Didn’t waste a first and fifth overall but didn’t maximize potential. what are these Wright and Michkov people and what have they done to suggest that our management team made bad picks? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 16, 2023 20:12:00 GMT -5
Our GM has treated us to the worst records in team history, but we were told that our prospects are great. Our great prospects lost to Buffalo. Not a funeral procession but not a Cup Parade either. Dreaming about Wright and Michkov. Didn’t waste a first and fifth overall but didn’t maximize potential. what are these Wright and Michkov people and what have they done to suggest that our management team made bad picks? Our GM didn’t make bad picks. We have two good prospects. We didn’t choose players who are capable of greatness. They are safe good players that are unlikely to embarrass themselves. Slavkovsky won’t be stuck in Switzerland for three years and his father won’t drown in a pond. Slav will not be forced to comply or have his development compromised. Slav is big and strong and had a good string of games in an Olympic tournament against mediocre opponents. Seven games do not overcome a relatively mediocre string of seasons but he was chosen for his size and talent, not his total record of performance. We paid a big price, two years of horrendous hockey to get these picks and we didn’t get full value. We have offloaded some bad contracts and recovered some cap space. Mr Molson should be pleased with the money he is saving. The promise is picking free agents in the future with the money saved. We are embarrassed by expansion teams. We have better management than we had for ten years of Bergy but that’s like dating the prettiest girl on The View. The bar is set very low. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 17, 2023 8:14:00 GMT -5
At least they beat the Bruins... Mysak and Roy had good games
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Post by seventeen on Sept 17, 2023 13:01:10 GMT -5
Quality of competition is important. In that regard, a good game vs Buffalo (to me) is worth more than a good game vs the Bruins prospects, whom I even hesitate to call prospects. There was some hullabaloo the other day in the Boston media about John Beecher ( and if you talk to independent observers, he's a third line centre at best. With 23 points in 61 games at AHL Providence last year, he looks more like a 4th line centre. It's one thing to play a team with Matt Savoie, Zach Benson and Jiri Kulich and another to play a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks and college signings.
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Post by folatre on Sept 17, 2023 14:01:45 GMT -5
The cupboard is bare in the Bruins organization. Providence always has a winning record, but that is not because they have good prospects. Regarding Buffalo, yeah they have a lot of good prospects playing in this tournament. Montreal is missing some of its better ones. No big deal, this is about seeing where kids stand and what they need to work on.
I am excited about Mailloux, but the kid really had his development interrupted and even when it resumed he was able to overwhelm most OHLers with his size and mobility. He needs a season or perhaps even a season and a half in Laval to improve his reads and how he defends.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 17, 2023 14:14:40 GMT -5
The cupboard is bare in the Bruins organization. Providence always has a winning record, but that is not because they have good prospects. Regarding Buffalo, yeah they have a lot of good prospects playing in this tournament. Montreal is missing some of its better ones. No big deal, this is about seeing where kids stand and what they need to work on. I am excited about Mailloux, but the kid really had his development interrupted and even when it resumed he was able to overwhelm most OHLers with his size and mobility. He needs a season or perhaps even a season and a half in Laval to improve his reads and how he defends. I'm not worried about Logan, and we have plenty of D prospects but we really need some forwards to excel... Beck, Roy, Mysak, Heineman |
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Post by folatre on Sept 17, 2023 17:09:42 GMT -5
Yeah, not every single Habs high quality d-man needs to hit the big time (become top four NHLer) in order for Montreal to be stacked on the blueline for the next decade. That speaks to the sheer depth of quality there.
For sure, the picture up front is less tantalizing. I believe the Habs would be elated if Beck and Roy eventually become solid middle six contributors. The issue is the lack of serious game breaking talent. The Habs really needs Slafkovsky to develop into a 30-35 goal guy. If, four years from now, he is just a 20 goal 40 point type producer then it will be a tough kick in the pills for the organization.
I know most of us say, in principle, drafting by positional need probably leads to suboptimal outcomes. But man, assuming Montreal is picking relatively early in the first round again next June, it sure seems like management should give it a rest on stocking up on more d-men. It should be interesting though, because if I recall correctly from last week McKenzie's "super early" top 16 had like eight or nine blue liners.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 18, 2023 0:02:42 GMT -5
the top end guys so far, are all forwards, though. Demidov, Cellebrini, Eiserman (I keep wanting to say Eisenhower).
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 18, 2023 15:36:29 GMT -5
Highlights from the match against the Hens.. the Hens goalie played well otherwise it would have been more than a 2-1 win for the Habs... Mailloux, Roy and Farrell played well along with Mysak... Florian got in a bit of a scrap... youtu.be/Hcu_7ztx8hk?si=5RJPK8mg42AIsROf |
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Post by folatre on Sept 18, 2023 15:51:45 GMT -5
Nice, thanks for sharing Willie.
Seventeen, yeah, it would be incredible to get Cellibrini, though of course Eiserman or the Russian would be awesome too. I guess I am assuming that Montreal is not going to be bottom five level awful this season. Time will say, but I think picking in the 8-12 range seems realistic.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 18, 2023 16:33:56 GMT -5
True, I don't think we're falling that low. There are already two D-men who weren't that high on the list who have jumped up, just can't recall their names or how to spell them correctly. A Russian kid called Solayev has 6 points in his first 6 KHL games. After getting 4 in 4, some were saying he'll come back to normal, as he should for a 17 year old in the KHL. Except he has kept it up for 6 games and now he's moving up the chart. He's 6'6", 207 lbs at age 17. WE have enough Dmen, but he will entice someone else, leaving a good pick for us. Besides, if Montembeault doesn't wear a white, 10 gallon hat, we may finish lower than we think and hope. There may be forwards in the 20's to 30's who rise and end up in the 8-12 range. It's still early
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Post by seventeen on Sept 18, 2023 16:35:00 GMT -5
Those games are on Youtube and you should be able to find them under "Prospects challenge".
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 18, 2023 20:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 18, 2023 22:44:41 GMT -5
Observations after watching last half of Sens game and most of Boston game:
Mailloux looked much better as the tourney went on. Bad start, good Boston game and equally good 3rd period Sens game. Milloux tried one fancy move at the right blue line as a Sen pressed him. He deked outside and tried to flip the puck between the guy's legs so he could take a straight line to the net. It was blocked and Mailloux's partner bailed him out. I kind of liked the attempt, though. Why not try it?
The goaltending played a big role in the wins. The Czech Kid in goal today was very good. I can't recall his name. Not a draftee, so I'm guessing they're wondering if they should sign him. Kidney looked much better. The best player against Boston IMO, was Struble. Not overly noticeable, but he had a lot of composure and a high panic threshold coming out of his own end. Often, it looked like he had waited too long and a forechecker was just about to make him pay and he'd make a pass to an open Hab forward and that guy would have space and time. Roy was his usual self...calm, making good passes and there he was in front of the net, helping to create havoc along with Mysak, who stuffed in the winner. Funny how Roy is around so often when his team scores a goal.
Did Reinbacher play today? I saw him in the projected line-up but didn't hear his name, or notice him on the ice. Mailloux was getting a lot of ice time, so I wondered if Reinbacher was hurt earlier.
Anyway, rookie time is over and now the pace speeds up with regular training camp before speeding up again as the season starts, moving into 5th gear at the 20 game mark, and top gear after the (ha ha) all-star game. Each of those plateaux is a challenge for the kids. Can they keep up? Fortunately a lot of our guys are into their second year and I'm really looking forward to the improvement. Laval should be great entertainment.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 19, 2023 10:29:48 GMT -5
I heard Jayden Struble had a good tourney. I've been intrigued by him since his time at Northeastern with Jordan Harris. I saw him during his freshman season in 2019-20 and thought he looked better than Harris. Big, stocky, good skater/puck carrier, played with an edge. He reminded me in his build and style of PK Subban. But 3 years went by, I saw him again last season as a senior and he pretty much looked the same. It was a kind of disappointing. I thought he'd be way more assertive, more dominant, more noticeable on the ice.
But he seems to have emerged as one of the better D prospects? In a way I get hit. He has an NHL body and while he doesn't have the offensive instincts of a guy like Subban, it's possible Struble could be a better pro than he was a college player. He has the strength and attitude to not be intimidated out there and moves well enough to make plays. If the development guys can round out his game, I can see him being a bit of a sleeper. Way more upside than Jordan Harris, IMO.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 19, 2023 12:35:45 GMT -5
Struble is still a mystery to me. As you say, Boston, he has the physical tools, but the lack of progression is a concern. I vary from your opinion of Harris, though. I see him as better than Struble and not likely to be overtaken, mostly because of quick transition and vision. I'm trying to think of a comparable for Struble. Maybe a smarter Emelin? Both are strong and decent skaters, but Emelin wasn't the sharpest stick. Struble has a better hockey IQ, but tends to be conservative in his play. Maybe the development guys and MSL's style of play can change him and then he might very well overtake Harris given the strength factor. Jordan is underrated, IMO. He does a lot of things well and he's a very good skater.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 19, 2023 13:56:51 GMT -5
Struble has the Tinordy vibe about him that lowers my expectations.
I'm completely buried right now shutting down and selling of the company assets. By December it will be over and i plan to catch Marlie games and maybe even travel a bit. I'm chomping at the bit to do some scouting to get a better feel of our prospects.
Stay tuned for threads about a group get together. That's what we did in 2002 for Hamilton when 4-5 of us would catch Bulldog games.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 19, 2023 15:56:44 GMT -5
I'm up for a Laval get together...
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 24, 2023 22:07:21 GMT -5
Video of the red vs white shootout... Slick Nick is a treat to watch on a shootout. He'so Sakuvian.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 25, 2023 10:28:47 GMT -5
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