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Post by drkcloud on Sept 19, 2023 16:54:51 GMT -5
Canucks trade Pearson and a third round pick to Canadiens for DeSmith www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2718463The 3rd is fine but why Pearson? How many useless veterans do we need? |
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 19, 2023 17:06:50 GMT -5
He's a UFA at the end of the year. We get a free 3rd rounder for him.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 19, 2023 17:18:23 GMT -5
That fourth line is getting crowded ... Pearson, Armia, Pezetta, Evans, Harvey-Pinard .... who's in, who's out?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 19, 2023 18:54:18 GMT -5
That fourth line is getting crowded ... Pearson, Armia, Pezetta, Evans, Harvey-Pinard .... who's in, who's out? Hope he enjoys his time in Laval? |
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Post by folatre on Sept 19, 2023 18:59:48 GMT -5
Well, I like that Hughes is picking up a third rounder and obviously DeSmith did not have that kind of value around the league unless money got moved back in the Habs direction. So basically taking on a vet who serves no particular purpose is the cost of doing business.
I think Pearson starts the season in the press box and perhaps shuttles down to Laval if there is no room in Montreal. If the Habs suffer multiple injuries to the forward group, he gets some games but otherwise I cannot see it.
I think the fourth line is Pezzetta-Evans-Armia or Ylonen. I think Harvey-Pinard starts the season higher in the lineup unless he plays like a total turkey in camp.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 19, 2023 20:21:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick to sell Tanner short. He's a gamer. i think the kids could learn a lot from him. Certainly more than Armia will be providing. And if he has a decent season, we will be getting anohter 3rd, maybe a second for Tanner come trade deadline. I like the trade. Monahan, Pearson and Gally might be quite a line.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2023 20:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 19, 2023 22:59:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick to sell Tanner short. He's a gamer. i think the kids could learn a lot from him. Certainly more than Armia will be providing. And if he has a decent season, we will be getting anohter 3rd, maybe a second for Tanner come trade deadline. I like the trade. Monahan, Pearson and Gally might be quite a line. I agree on Pearson’s value. A bit like Armia but a better scorer. Third line type on a contender. Good character, kills penalties but I wouldn’t put him on the PP. Adequate hockey IQ but not above average. I saw him quite a bit on the Nucks. Ranted about him at times because of the IQ part. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded again, mainly because of the time line. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 20, 2023 1:53:36 GMT -5
So, that answers my question about how we can weaponize our cap space if we give up the idea of being cap-compliant without Price being on LTIR. A 3d rounder to carry 1.4M more under the cap isn't half-bad, and now the Desmith situation is settled.
I figure Pearson goes for a 4th and a 5th at the deadline, the 5th going to a 3d team since we'll be out of retention slots once we've moved Monahan.
For the Habs, this means we got Pearson, a 2nd and a 3d for Petry at 50% and getting rid of Hoffman.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 20, 2023 7:35:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick to sell Tanner short. He's a gamer. i think the kids could learn a lot from him. Certainly more than Armia will be providing. And if he has a decent season, we will be getting anohter 3rd, maybe a second for Tanner come trade deadline. I like the trade. Monahan, Pearson and Gally might be quite a line. I agree on Pearson’s value. A bit like Armia but a better scorer. Third line type on a contender. Good character, kills penalties but I wouldn’t put him on the PP. Adequate hockey IQ but not above average. I saw him quite a bit on the Nucks. Ranted about him at times because of the IQ part. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded again, mainly because of the time line. Meh....he's 31-32 years old, smallish for 6'. If he played a full season might grab us 5 to 10 goals. I'd rather have a prospect get those minutes and have him playing in laval as some depth if we have some injuries. The 3rd is a good return for Desmith though. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2023 7:47:45 GMT -5
Well, I like that Hughes is picking up a third rounder and obviously DeSmith did not have that kind of value around the league unless money got moved back in the Habs direction. So basically taking on a vet who serves no particular purpose is the cost of doing business. I think Pearson starts the season in the press box and perhaps shuttles down to Laval if there is no room in Montreal. If the Habs suffer multiple injuries to the forward group, he gets some games but otherwise I cannot see it. I think the fourth line is Pezzetta-Evans-Armia or Ylonen. I think Harvey-Pinard starts the season higher in the lineup unless he plays like a total turkey in camp. Maybe to start the season, but where does RHP slot in the line-up when Dvorak is cleared to play? Newhook - Suzuki - Caufield Slafkovsky - Dach - Anderson Monahan - Dvorak - Gallagher Now who is that fourth line? Pezetta - Evans - Pearson - RHP - Ylonen - Armia |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 20, 2023 13:44:52 GMT -5
I agree on Pearson’s value. A bit like Armia but a better scorer. Third line type on a contender. Good character, kills penalties but I wouldn’t put him on the PP. Adequate hockey IQ but not above average. I saw him quite a bit on the Nucks. Ranted about him at times because of the IQ part. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded again, mainly because of the time line. Meh....he's 31-32 years old, smallish for 6'. If he played a full season might grab us 5 to 10 goals. I'd rather have a prospect get those minutes and have him playing in laval as some depth if we have some injuries. The 3rd is a good return for Desmith though. I'd rather he was traded before the season as well, which would get us very close to CAP compliant. It's been reported he was shook up at the news, so may not be that keen to leave the west coast. As a player, though, he will not hurt us. He is very determined and has good character and a modicum of skill. If he played a full season, you'd be looking at 18 goals, 20 assists type as those are his career average. He's a left winger so he would not displace Caufield, Slaf, Newhook or Monahan. Clearly, who plays centre is going to open up a bit of space, but we just have too many bodies right now. Hughes better have a bunch of irons in the fire cause it's mighty crowded in the Habs elevator. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 21, 2023 2:17:54 GMT -5
Meh....he's 31-32 years old, smallish for 6'. If he played a full season might grab us 5 to 10 goals. I'd rather have a prospect get those minutes and have him playing in laval as some depth if we have some injuries. The 3rd is a good return for Desmith though. I'd rather he was traded before the season as well, which would get us very close to CAP compliant. It's been reported he was shook up at the news, so may not be that keen to leave the west coast. As a player, though, he will not hurt us. He is very determined and has good character and a modicum of skill. If he played a full season, you'd be looking at 18 goals, 20 assists type as those are his career average. He's a left winger so he would not displace Caufield, Slaf, Newhook or Monahan. Clearly, who plays centre is going to open up a bit of space, but we just have too many bodies right now. Hughes better have a bunch of irons in the fire cause it's mighty crowded in the Habs elevator. There's no way he's getting moved before the deadline without our taking cap back. Right now, cap is still tighter than the need for skaters for most teams. I think it's more likely we take on a 5M contract, even one we expect to bury in the AHL from the start, than it is for us to move out enough cap to be under the cap for any length of time early in the season. I actually suspect Dvorak's injury was the catalyst for the Pearson deal, since that made getting under the offseason cap that much harder, since we have another big contract that will end up on LTIR for the start of the season. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 21, 2023 13:21:25 GMT -5
There's no way he's getting moved before the deadline without our taking cap back. Right now, cap is still tighter than the need for skaters for most teams. I think it's more likely we take on a 5M contract, even one we expect to bury in the AHL from the start, than it is for us to move out enough cap to be under the cap for any length of time early in the season. I actually suspect Dvorak's injury was the catalyst for the Pearson deal, since that made getting under the offseason cap that much harder, since we have another big contract that will end up on LTIR for the start of the season. I read an article where they stated that Plan B is already in place, which is placing some of kids they don't have to waive, on Laval's roster at the CAP deadline so the CAP figure is right around the limit, and then the next day placing Price on LTIR and reverse the moves. It's just a paper transaction so the players don't actually leave the team. Or maybe Hughes has a deal in place already to look after that. There's still a couple of weeks or so, I think. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 21, 2023 20:39:25 GMT -5
Last season Hughes was very accommodating to vets (Drouin, Dadonov, Armia, Hoffman, etc.) who were not getting much done on the ice. He was able to do so because Harvey-Pinard and Ylonen started the season in the AHL and then the plague of injuries struck the Habs roster. This season Hughes may not be able to be so accommodating and some guys are probably going to get their 'feelings' hurt in the process.
I am not saying Pearson has no chance to get any games on a healthy Habs roster, but I really have a hard time envisioning how (not to mention why) such a scenario happens.
For me the two main drivers in determining which guys have a leg up on having a regular spot in St. Louis’ lineup are: 1) Is there a future beyond 2023-24 for the player in organization; 2) Does the player fulfill a clearly defined role. For any guy where the answer is Yes and Yes, then I think it is safe to assume he will be a regular in the lineup. For any guy where the answer is No and Sort Of, then I think it is very unlikely.
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Post by PTH on Sept 21, 2023 21:01:43 GMT -5
Last season Hughes was very accommodating to vets (Drouin, Dadonov, Armia, Hoffman, etc.) who were not getting much done on the ice. He was able to do so because Harvey-Pinard and Ylonen started the season in the AHL and then the plague of injuries struck the Habs roster. This season Hughes may not be able to be so accommodating and some guys are probably going to get their 'feelings' hurt in the process. I am not saying Pearson has no chance to get any games on a healthy Habs roster, but I really have a hard time envisioning how (not to mention why) such a scenario happens. For me the two main drivers in determining which guys have a leg up on having a regular spot in St. Louis’ lineup are: 1) Is there a future beyond 2023-24 for the player in organization; 2) Does the player fulfill a clearly defined role. For any guy where the answer is Yes and Yes, then I think it is safe to assume he will be a regular in the lineup. For any guy where the answer is No and Sort Of, then I think it is very unlikely. True, but we also have a very young team, so good vets are rare, and need to be kept happy enough to play a mentoring role. I expect injuries will take care of much of the apparent surplus. With Wideman and Dvorak out to start the season, I figure management won't have trouble finding some ice time for all. The interesting "window" will be between Dvorak's return and Monahan's (and Pearson, for that matter) likely trade at the deadline, that's roughly half the season where if healthy we'll have issues. I'm mostly concerned about guys like Barron and Ylonen getting decent opportunities before the next wave of kids comes along. Even if Mailloux ends up passing Barron, I'd rather be moving Barron for a 1st (like Sandin got Toronto) than a 4th rounder for a prospect who never stepped up. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 21, 2023 21:40:59 GMT -5
You make a number of good points, PTH. Assuming guys like Gallagher and Monahan are healthy up front along with Savard, Matheson, and Allen on the back end, Montreal should have enough character vets guiding the kids regardless of what Pearson's fate is this season.
Barron is still waiver exempt so it would not be a shocker if he plays some games in Laval over the course of the season. Ylonen, on the other hand, is not. So if management likes him then they probably need him to play at least 50 games with the Habs to get a proper read on whether he merits re-signing next summer.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 22, 2023 0:20:56 GMT -5
We're not competing for anything but the bottom so I don't want vets to take away development time.
Ghally is a negative asset while Ylonen/Baron can develop into a high value asset.
Asset Management 101
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 22, 2023 2:07:22 GMT -5
We're not competing for anything but the bottom so I don't want vets to take away development time. Ghally is a negative asset while Ylonen/Baron can develop into a high value asset. Asset Management 101 If the Canadiens were a used car lot, the salesman has traded a lot of high mileage Chevy novas and AMC pacers for Chrysler le barons and Gremlins. No Lamborghini or Ferrari to be found. Good luck winning a Formula One race with a Kia factory team. |
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