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Post by seventeen on Sept 26, 2023 17:04:46 GMT -5
Hughes has done a very good job as a GM. It would be classless of me to repeat what I have said in the past, but I'm going to anyway  , I was disappointed that Timmins was canned when Bergevin was. Looking at Timmins' record in the draft from 2018 to 2021, it was pretty good. 2018 - KK (It's taking a while, but we'll see after this year if he is a good #3 pick or just a good #3 centre. Being a centre made all the difference in that choice because Bergevin had been unable to obtain one any other way), Ylonen, Romanov (he got us Dach), and Jordan Harris. 2019 - Caufield, Struble, Norlinder, RHP 2020 - Guhle, Farrell 2021 - Mailloux (My guess is he was Bergevin's choice, but Timmins had to have him high), Kidney, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau There are a lot of later round picks there, where scouts earn their money. Farrell, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau and R-H-P are all 3rd round or later. Water under the bridge. HuGo's crew has been pretty good if we can judge recent later picks. Hutson, Engstrom, Davidson. Konyushkov is looking good as well. Where we find issues is with that #1 pick in 2022 and Mesar as well. IMO, Bobrov's job depends on how well Slaf turns out. He stood on a soap box for Slaf and convinced Hughes that he was the right pick. I don't think Wright was an option, so if Bobrov had kept his mouth shut, we'd have one of Cooley, Nemec or Jiricek. Any one of those guys is looking good right now. Mesar, to me, was a pick made to help Slaf's acclimation. Not that it was a bad pick (kulich being the other option), but we'll see how he pans out. Right now I don't have a lot of confidence in Bobrov. I wouldn't object at all to Slaf starting the season in Laval and learning a few simple basics involving the smaller ice. Keep your head up and get lots of ice time. It can't hurt. Roy is by far better prepared to play in the NHL right now. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 26, 2023 18:42:07 GMT -5
Hughes has done a very good job as a GM. It would be classless of me to repeat what I have said in the past, but I'm going to anyway , I was disappointed that Timmins was canned when Bergevin was. Looking at Timmins' record in the draft from 2018 to 2021, it was pretty good. 2018 - KK (It's taking a while, but we'll see after this year if he is a good #3 pick or just a good #3 centre. Being a centre made all the difference in that choice because Bergevin had been unable to obtain one any other way), Ylonen, Romanov (he got us Dach), and Jordan Harris. 2019 - Caufield, Struble, Norlinder, RHP 2020 - Guhle, Farrell 2021 - Mailloux (My guess is he was Bergevin's choice, but Timmins had to have him high), Kidney, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau There are a lot of later round picks there, where scouts earn their money. Farrell, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau and R-H-P are all 3rd round or later. Water under the bridge. HuGo's crew has been pretty good if we can judge recent later picks. Hutson, Engstrom, Davidson. Konyushkov is looking good as well. Where we find issues is with that #1 pick in 2022 and Mesar as well. IMO, Bobrov's job depends on how well Slaf turns out. He stood on a soap box for Slaf and convinced Hughes that he was the right pick. I don't think Wright was an option, so if Bobrov had kept his mouth shut, we'd have one of Cooley, Nemec or Jiricek. Any one of those guys is looking good right now. Mesar, to me, was a pick made to help Slaf's acclimation. Not that it was a bad pick (kulich being the other option), but we'll see how he pans out. Right now I don't have a lot of confidence in Bobrov. I wouldn't object at all to Slaf starting the season in Laval and learning a few simple basics involving the smaller ice. Keep your head up and get lots of ice time. It can't hurt. Roy is by far better prepared to play in the NHL right now. I would be fine having Slaf in his age group in Laval, with mailloux, Mesar etc... |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 26, 2023 19:02:02 GMT -5
I'm miles from giving up on Slaf, but then again i don't have high expectations.
Anything less then 60 point player should be considered a failure for 1.OA. I'm 50/50 he's going to get there.
I have higher hopes for Newhook and far higher for Dach.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 27, 2023 10:37:18 GMT -5
Hughes has done a very good job as a GM. It would be classless of me to repeat what I have said in the past, but I'm going to anyway , I was disappointed that Timmins was canned when Bergevin was. Looking at Timmins' record in the draft from 2018 to 2021, it was pretty good. 2018 - KK (It's taking a while, but we'll see after this year if he is a good #3 pick or just a good #3 centre. Being a centre made all the difference in that choice because Bergevin had been unable to obtain one any other way), Ylonen, Romanov (he got us Dach), and Jordan Harris. 2019 - Caufield, Struble, Norlinder, RHP 2020 - Guhle, Farrell 2021 - Mailloux (My guess is he was Bergevin's choice, but Timmins had to have him high), Kidney, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau There are a lot of later round picks there, where scouts earn their money. Farrell, Trudeau, Roy, Simoneau and R-H-P are all 3rd round or later. Water under the bridge. HuGo's crew has been pretty good if we can judge recent later picks. Hutson, Engstrom, Davidson. Konyushkov is looking good as well. Where we find issues is with that #1 pick in 2022 and Mesar as well. IMO, Bobrov's job depends on how well Slaf turns out. He stood on a soap box for Slaf and convinced Hughes that he was the right pick. I don't think Wright was an option, so if Bobrov had kept his mouth shut, we'd have one of Cooley, Nemec or Jiricek. Any one of those guys is looking good right now. Mesar, to me, was a pick made to help Slaf's acclimation. Not that it was a bad pick (kulich being the other option), but we'll see how he pans out. Right now I don't have a lot of confidence in Bobrov. I wouldn't object at all to Slaf starting the season in Laval and learning a few simple basics involving the smaller ice. Keep your head up and get lots of ice time. It can't hurt. Roy is by far better prepared to play in the NHL right now. Timmins was terrible. Point Finale Let’s go through your “analysis”, which is really “I like this player so he is a good pick” KK - Timmins should be judged on what this pick has done for Montreal. Not what happens in the future. The correct pick was Tkachuk , no ifs ands or buts on that Caufield - while it is still too early to give a positive grade (ONLY because he has no finished a complete year yet) I also think he made a good pick here Struble? Norlinder? One they have already given up on and the other hasn’t played an NHL game 4 years after being drafted. For all the hype around Struble, I’d expect him to crack the line up. RHP - did well last year, with very little linemates wise too. But is only a third liner at best. I still don’t see where he fits in on the team after this year Guhle - second good pick Farrell - people are impressed by him, but how many small forwards is this team going to put on the roster? He is just as likely not to play for Montreal as he is to get a cup of coffee with them. Mailloux - I’m actually not putting this one on Timmins. I really think Timmins was against this pick Kidney, Trudeau, Simoneau? You like, I think they never play The one thing non-Habs fans always say to me is that Habs fans always over hype and over value their draft picks. They aren’t wrong. With all the hype these players get, you’d think we’d have 80 point first and second liners. I don’t see them. Listen, everyone has always agreed that Timmins was wonderful at selecting safe players that play on third/fourth lines and bottom d pairings. But he continually missed out on elite talent |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 27, 2023 13:26:36 GMT -5
Timmins and BargainBin were impressed with muscles.
Take that any way you like...
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Post by seventeen on Sept 27, 2023 13:42:37 GMT -5
Timmins was terrible. Point Finale Let’s go through your “analysis”, which is really “I like this player so he is a good pick” KK - Timmins should be judged on what this pick has done for Montreal. Not what happens in the future. The correct pick was Tkachuk , no ifs ands or buts on that Caufield - while it is still too early to give a positive grade (ONLY because he has no finished a complete year yet) I also think he made a good pick here Struble? Norlinder? One they have already given up on and the other hasn’t played an NHL game 4 years after being drafted. For all the hype around Struble, I’d expect him to crack the line up. RHP - did well last year, with very little linemates wise too. But is only a third liner at best. I still don’t see where he fits in on the team after this year Guhle - second good pick Farrell - people are impressed by him, but how many small forwards is this team going to put on the roster? He is just as likely not to play for Montreal as he is to get a cup of coffee with them. Mailloux - I’m actually not putting this one on Timmins. I really think Timmins was against this pick Kidney, Trudeau, Simoneau? You like, I think they never play The one thing non-Habs fans always say to me is that Habs fans always over hype and over value their draft picks. They aren’t wrong. With all the hype these players get, you’d think we’d have 80 point first and second liners. I don’t see them. Listen, everyone has always agreed that Timmins was wonderful at selecting safe players that play on third/fourth lines and bottom d pairings. But he continually missed out on elite talent I'm not going to debate this, but I need to figure out how to bookmark this post so, 3 years from now, we can go back to this and check out the veracity. PS I agree on Mailloux and said that in my post. I even considered not including him. I pointed out about KK that Beregevin's inability to acquire a centre made him roll the dice on this one. I also said KK might be a reasonable pick or a wasted 3C. Anyway.....bookmarks.... |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 27, 2023 14:30:01 GMT -5
In Android you can add the thread to your favorites links or add it to your home screen.
When i want to track a sale, i add it to my home screen then if i have a lot, i put them in a folder. I go further then that in that i have a page dedicated to shopping. That's how you track a pair of shoes that dropped from $170 to $65.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 27, 2023 16:26:19 GMT -5
Timmins was terrible. Point Finale Let’s go through your “analysis”, which is really “I like this player so he is a good pick” KK - Timmins should be judged on what this pick has done for Montreal. Not what happens in the future. The correct pick was Tkachuk , no ifs ands or buts on that Caufield - while it is still too early to give a positive grade (ONLY because he has no finished a complete year yet) I also think he made a good pick here Struble? Norlinder? One they have already given up on and the other hasn’t played an NHL game 4 years after being drafted. For all the hype around Struble, I’d expect him to crack the line up. RHP - did well last year, with very little linemates wise too. But is only a third liner at best. I still don’t see where he fits in on the team after this year Guhle - second good pick Farrell - people are impressed by him, but how many small forwards is this team going to put on the roster? He is just as likely not to play for Montreal as he is to get a cup of coffee with them. Mailloux - I’m actually not putting this one on Timmins. I really think Timmins was against this pick Kidney, Trudeau, Simoneau? You like, I think they never play The one thing non-Habs fans always say to me is that Habs fans always over hype and over value their draft picks. They aren’t wrong. With all the hype these players get, you’d think we’d have 80 point first and second liners. I don’t see them. Listen, everyone has always agreed that Timmins was wonderful at selecting safe players that play on third/fourth lines and bottom d pairings. But he continually missed out on elite talent I'm not going to debate this, but I need to figure out how to bookmark this post so, 3 years from now, we can go back to this and check out the veracity. PS I agree on Mailloux and said that in my post. I even considered not including him. I pointed out about KK that Beregevin's inability to acquire a centre made him roll the dice on this one. I also said KK might be a reasonable pick or a wasted 3C. Anyway.....bookmarks.... See you in 2026! 🤝 |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 27, 2023 16:48:59 GMT -5
Not to inspire a debate, but to also bookmark ...
The argument (on here) in favour of Timmins has been, "he doesn't have enough picks". And the other common argument is "others past on so-and-so too".
I'll address the latter, first. This is a poor argument. Why do Habs, and Habs fans, care what other teams pass up on. All we care about is that our guy didn't recognize the talent when it was his turn to draft.
The first point, I also snicker at ... give me a ton of picks and I'm apt to find good players too just by googling prospects. This guy is suppose to be a trained evaluator. Anyhoo, my favourite year that I always point to, is 2013. That year we had a first round pick and three 2nd round picks. Timmins 💩 the bed with more picks. I wanted the Habs to bolster their lineup. They had one of the best teams and I figured if they didn't go for it then, then they'd never find the right time to do it. We ended up with McCarron, De La Rose, Fucale, Lehkonen and a first round exit.
I fully realize that drafting is not an exact science, but all teams bulk players together in pods when drafting. We do it here too. Top of the first round, the middle of the first round, the bottom of the first round / top of the second round. Typically these players are rated similarly.
So since 2013, Timmins had first round picks up his wazoo. What did we get?
2013 - Mike McCarron - bottom of first (Shea Theodore missed, bottom of first)
2014 - Nikita Scherbak - bottom of first (Adrian Kempe missed, bottom of first)
2015 - Noah Juulsen - bottom of first (Sebastian Aho missed, top of second)
2016 - Mikhail Sergachev - top of first. (Best selection at this slot)
2017 - Ryan Poehling - bottom of first (Jason Robertson , top of second)
2018 - Jesperi Kotkaniemi - top of first (Brady Tkachuk, top of first)
That's a lot of busted first rounders, and huge misses in a short time period. The Caufield and Guhle picks don't make up for it in my opinion.
Just imagine having Aho, Robertson, Tkachuk on the same team. We likely don't trade Sergachev. But as they say, if ifs and ands, were candy and nuts ...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 27, 2023 20:07:12 GMT -5
The " search" feature works very well ... it helps if you remember who it was that said what you're looking for ... but, if you can't remember the poster, try to remember some buzz words or flowery statements, and search those ... you can also search the title of the post, as well ... what I can do is contact the Proboards Support forum to see if a bookmarking feature actually exists ... I'll get back to you ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 27, 2023 20:29:54 GMT -5
The " search" feature works very well ... it helps if you remember who it was that said what you're looking for ... but, if you can't remember the poster, try to remember some buzz words or flowery statements, and search those ... you can also search the title of the post, as well ... what I can do is contact the Proboards Support forum to see if a bookmarking feature actually exists ... I'll get back to you ... Cheers. Go to the top of the thread, open the drop-down menu that says "Actions" and select "Bookmark" ... I'd have probably used it if I had remembered where it was ... Cheers. |
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, I was disappointed that Timmins was canned when Bergevin was. Looking at Timmins' record in the draft from 2018 to 2021, it was pretty good.
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