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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 23, 2023 8:46:37 GMT -5
New Jersey Devils vs Montreal Canadiens
Monday, Sep 25th @ 7 PM EDT
Networks: RDS
Photo via sportsforecaster.com Jesse Ylönen, RW
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Post by seventeen on Sept 23, 2023 12:54:32 GMT -5
I saw that Moderator's forum light on in the wee hours many nights, Dis, under "Game day threads", Once again, thank you so much for the effort and time you put into making these great intros. Salut, amigo.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 23, 2023 14:32:11 GMT -5
I saw that Moderator's forum light on in the wee hours many nights, Dis, under "Game day threads", Once again, thank you so much for the effort and time you put into making these great intros. Salut, amigo. As Frank Abignale Jr. Said in Catch me if you can... 'I concur' |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 18:35:21 GMT -5
Astute choice of picture above, Dis. Ylonen carried the puck in on a PP, lost it briefly, but Simoneau following it up, picked it up, saw Roy alone at the right of Schmid and put it past him. Quick goal. Not much reaction from Roy as he is wont to be calm and cool on the ice. Gambardella tied it for NJ, but my feed cut out so I didn't see how he scored. I see, though, that the Score is giving out 6 pluses on the goal, so grain of salt time. Pezzetta, Farrel, Stephens, Barron and Xhekaj had their lunch taken by that dangerous trio of Gambardella, Criscuolo and Dowling. Two are over 30 and the other is 29. Experienced, grizzled AHL vets.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 18:42:55 GMT -5
Not a lot of regulars dressed,but a few. Harris, Anderson, Guhle, Newhook, Slafkovsky, Xhekaj and Barron. But only Handerson and Newhook are what I would class as having some experience. It's a young line-up. NJ has Hughes, Siegenthaler, Marino, Toffoli, Mercer dressed. Lazar and Tierney are experienced but 4th line talent. We're surely a younger line-up so I think MSL wants to see who steps up. Roy should hang around longer.
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Post by folatre on Sept 25, 2023 18:51:47 GMT -5
Nothing about Roy is off the charts, stand out kind of stuff. But the kid has some skill, knows how to grind, but above all possesses serious hockey sense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 25, 2023 19:22:21 GMT -5
Marty puts in Dobes to start a PK
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 25, 2023 19:24:12 GMT -5
Logan chasing Hughes on the pk... Hughes makes some moves and an easy pass to mercer for the goal... a learning note for Logan
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Post by folatre on Sept 25, 2023 19:30:39 GMT -5
For sure, he has a lot to learn. The AHL is an ideal training ground for a big, toolsy kid who is still really raw defensively.
Poor Montembeault, this is a carbon copy of the 2022-23, Habs getting caved defensively, bleeding high quality scoring chances against, taking penalties and not killing them.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 19:40:06 GMT -5
Came back to a 3-1 Devils lead. Newhook dipsy doodle a bit in the left face-off circle,, found Reinbacher cutting in from right D. Reinbacher cut toward the goal, put it into a scrum in front where Slaf was standing his ground and Anderson tucked the loose puck into the net. 3-2. Josh from David and Alex.
You can sure tell some of the guys who won't make it. Their passes get cut off, they cause turnovers and so on. Xhekaj just made a cool play. Had the puck under the icing line, just to one side of the net, facing the boards, with a forechecker coming in fast on him. He just banked the puck off the boards back to himself while the forechecker flew by and then made a calm safe pass to his partner on the other side. That required guts and a high panic threshold. Not something I expected from the Sheriff in his own zone. Good stuff.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 19:44:33 GMT -5
Nothing about Roy is off the charts, stand out kind of stuff. But the kid has some skill, knows how to grind, but above all possesses serious hockey sense. I keep getting reminded of Mark Stone. Nothing stands out, except he manages to keep control of the puck in tight situations. Tonight he was charging up the ice and the puck was bouncing and 2 Devs were waving at it and somehow, he breaks past them and the puck is on his stick. I didn't think he had control of it at any time. He has what is now called a good stick. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 19:49:55 GMT -5
From looking at some of the line-ups in these preseason games, I'd swear many teams are ignoring any NHL protocols about a minimum number of NHL players. Either that or the definition of an NHL player is one who had a sniff of a cup of coffee in the league. It really seems the goal of every team is to ensure any good player escapes uninjured and that hopefully the opposite happens to their opponent.
To clarify, I don't think that's the case in Montreal tonight. the Habs haven't dressed a lot of vets, but they don't have a ton of vets to dress. Most of their kids are hoping to make the line-up, not 30+ AHL vets who don't have a snowball's chance. The Devils have dressed a reasonable line-up as well.
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 25, 2023 19:56:49 GMT -5
These lineups are a reason why training camp is too long. 2 or 3 games max.
And Mark Stone is a good comparable to Roy. This kid has got hands.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:04:25 GMT -5
you can take a guy's head off, but don't you dare touch his stick!
Ylonen gets 2 min for slapping a guy's stick, well down the shaft. Something to learn I guess.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:11:04 GMT -5
Who is #82 on the Habs?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:15:54 GMT -5
Power play with weak team is weak. Who knew?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:18:34 GMT -5
82 is Condotta. My list has him as #73, which is clearly wrong. I was asking because he's among my cuts, like tomorrow.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:23:48 GMT -5
Not much defensive discipline being shown tonight. Yeah, Yeah, it's exhibition with few vets and none of these guys have played much with each other, if at all. I get it, but I recall defensive discipline being a real problem last year so I hope there's improvement there when the real stuff starts. I just would like the players to have some semblence of where they should be in their own zone. Does Marty's system require a lot of thinking instead of muscle memory?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 25, 2023 20:33:19 GMT -5
Barron is not distinguishing himself in a positive way. He carried out the puck under a heavy backcheck and did fairly well, but then doesn't make a quick enough play, has his stick lifted and back they go the other way. I haven't seen much that would give me confidence that he is going to make it. I rarely include him in my 'future' lineups and I suspect Head Office thought the same way, which is why they picked Reinbacher.
Slaf not showing much today either. A couple of times I wondered why he went to some spots instead of to others. If he doesn't work out, the first guy to get the ax should be Nick Bobrov. If you're that passionate about a player and then he doesn't pan out, one has to wonder about his judgment. Can we ask Gorton if he was that silver tongued about Kravtsov and Andersson?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 25, 2023 21:54:39 GMT -5
Devils @ Canadiens 9/25 | NHL Highlights 2023 |
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 25, 2023 22:21:08 GMT -5
82 is Condotta. My list has him as #73, which is clearly wrong. I was asking because he's among my cuts, like tomorrow. Ouch  |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 25, 2023 23:04:57 GMT -5
Logan chasing Hughes on the pk... Hughes makes some moves and an easy pass to mercer for the goal... a learning note for Logan Getting fished by NHL level highly talented players is going to be teachable moments. Basics...don't chase the puck, cut the angles, the puck moves faster then the player...Defense 101. This is were we are going to find out if he learns from his mistakes or has an Atari on his shoulder. |
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 25, 2023 23:21:48 GMT -5
Logan chasing Hughes on the pk... Hughes makes some moves and an easy pass to mercer for the goal... a learning note for Logan Getting fished by NHL level highly talented players is going to be teachable moments. Basics...don't chase the puck, cut the angles, the puck moves faster then the player...Defense 101. This is were we are going to find out if he learns from his mistakes or has an Atari on his shoulder. What I don't understand about that whole sequence is why Logan was so far in the O Zone when he starts tracking/chasing Hughes. I've looked at the replays and Logan seems to be very deep for a dman at any time but particularly when we're on the PK. Anyway, as you say, hopefully a teachable moment.  |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 26, 2023 0:02:00 GMT -5
Getting fished by NHL level highly talented players is going to be teachable moments. Basics... don't chase the puck, cut the angles, the puck moves faster then the player...Defense 101. This is were we are going to find out if he learns from his mistakes or has an Atari on his shoulder. What I don't understand about that whole sequence is why Logan was so far in the O Zone when he starts tracking/chasing Hughes. I've looked at the replays and Logan seems to be very deep for a dman at any time but particularly when we're on the PK. Anyway, as you say, hopefully a teachable moment. Mailman still playing with his OHL brain... Don't chase the puck...the puck moves faster then you...BASICS I'm going to make the excuse that this was his first game to show his abilities so it overloaded what his role/game should be. It happens in raw rookies. In reality, i couldn't care less that he did that, I care that he learned from it. Would it happen to Ghule? No. Because he is a defense first player and the basics are already hard wired into his game. |
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 26, 2023 0:11:04 GMT -5
What I don't understand about that whole sequence is why Logan was so far in the O Zone when he starts tracking/chasing Hughes. I've looked at the replays and Logan seems to be very deep for a dman at any time but particularly when we're on the PK. Anyway, as you say, hopefully a teachable moment. Mailman still playing with his OHL brain... Don't chase the puck...the puck moves faster then you...BASICS I'm going to make the excuse that this was his first game to show his abilities so it overloaded what his role/game should be. It happens in raw rookies. In reality, i couldn't care less that he did that, I care that he learned from it. Would it happen to Ghule? No. Because he is a defense first player and the basics are already hard wired into his game. I don't think there is any expectation these kids are going to be able to be equals to NHLers. The strategy seems to be to give the kids (Logan, Reinbacher, Roy...) a taste of the NHL so they go back to they're lower level league with some motivation to keep working and learning to develop. All I can say to Logan, or any young Dman, is that even Bobby Orr went -5 in one of the most important games of his career - and one of my all-time great Habs games.  |
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Post by PTH on Sept 26, 2023 12:25:54 GMT -5
Getting fished by NHL level highly talented players is going to be teachable moments. Basics...don't chase the puck, cut the angles, the puck moves faster then the player...Defense 101. This is were we are going to find out if he learns from his mistakes or has an Atari on his shoulder. What I don't understand about that whole sequence is why Logan was so far in the O Zone when he starts tracking/chasing Hughes. I've looked at the replays and Logan seems to be very deep for a dman at any time but particularly when we're on the PK. Anyway, as you say, hopefully a teachable moment. He got the puck on the PK and went down the right wing, and instead of just dumping it in, he tried a surprise rush to the net. I think it was a worthy gamble, but the second he lost the puck he needed to head back to his position (or go change), instead he tried covering Hughes deep and it seemed to throw the defensive system out of whack. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 26, 2023 13:42:26 GMT -5
I saw that Moderator's forum light on in the wee hours many nights, Dis, under "Game day threads", Once again, thank you so much for the effort and time you put into making these great intros. Salut, amigo. As Frank Abignale Jr. Said in Catch me if you can... 'I concur' Thanks, fellas ... the regular season GDTs were started in early July ... the preseason thread was started a few weeks ago ... was thinking about publishing a GDT guide that details the themes to each of the GDTs, but maybe next year ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 26, 2023 13:49:49 GMT -5
He got the puck on the PK and went down the right wing, and instead of just dumping it in, he tried a surprise rush to the net. I think it was a worthy gamble, but the second he lost the puck he needed to head back to his position (or go change), instead he tried covering Hughes deep and it seemed to throw the defensive system out of whack. Seems to me that if you're a D on the PK, and lose the puck in deep, it should be second nature by now to peel back. I've seen others keep trying to forecheck, but always at even strength. It's a bit concerning for me because that 'teaching moment' should have come much earlier in his career and probably did. Let's chalk it up to over eagerness, but it's still a worry. I've been a big Slaf supporter, but even he is starting to worry me. It's early, yeah, I know, but I really would have liked to see a shift or two of some kind of dominance in training camp and this first game. Sort of like controlling the puck in the offensive zone, waiting for an opening and then threading a perfect pass. I have missed at least half of the time he's been on the ice so maybe I didn't see some good plays. Other reports have been what I'd call 'satisfactory' but not worthy of a first overall pick. Then again, he's 19 1/2 years old, has onlyplayed half a season of NHL, and is a power forward, so patience is definitely called for. Man, I'd love to see a flash of something, though. Guy Lafleur looked lost his first 3 seasons but would once in a while turn a few people inside out and score a spectacular goal. Give me one of those, Slaf. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 26, 2023 16:05:49 GMT -5
For a management team that seems to be pushing all the right buttons (good trades, adding picks, MSL, beefing up the personnel, scouting, analytics), their biggest mistake could be drafting Slafkovsky. We all get it was a down draft year, but there were other guys on the board, or maybe an opportunity to trade down and add another pick or prospect. You certainly don't want to swing and miss on that pick if you could have gotten something more reliable out of Nemec, Cooley, or Wright. It would be a huge disappointment if they missed that evaluation completely. You assign draft value on the basis of a players ceiling and your confidence he can hit that ceiling. Slaf may have Matthew Tkachuk upside but if you are only 30-40% confident he can hit that, then you might go with the lesser talent but higher conviction player. Of course there's still time but I still don't get why Slaf wasn't in junior scoring goals last year.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 26, 2023 16:37:38 GMT -5
For a management team that seems to be pushing all the right buttons (good trades, adding picks, MSL, beefing up the personnel, scouting, analytics), their biggest mistake could be drafting Slafkovsky. We all get it was a down draft year, but there were other guys on the board, or maybe an opportunity to trade down and add another pick or prospect. You certainly don't want to swing and miss on that pick if you could have gotten something more reliable out of Nemec, Cooley, or Wright. It would be a huge disappointment if they missed that evaluation completely. You assign draft value on the basis of a players ceiling and your confidence he can hit that ceiling. Slaf may have Matthew Tkachuk upside but if you are only 30-40% confident he can hit that, then you might go with the lesser talent but higher conviction player. Of course there's still time but I still don't get why Slaf wasn't in junior scoring goals last year. FWIW. I'm reading a lot of writers praising Cooley and his camp so far. Perhaps it's all hype, but Slafs in a delicate position because in Mtl once the media/fans give up on Slafs, it will become that much more difficult to overcome the criticism launched his way. The clock is ticking... |
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