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Post by folatre on Jan 31, 2024 20:09:43 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that.
Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable.
I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game.
But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 31, 2024 20:48:45 GMT -5
Not me in this case. The difference is that when you took your risk, a lot of the odds of success depended on you. Sure, the economy, market, etc. mattered, but you were in control. In this case, you're not. Dubois is. Your success depends on his attitude and character because, as jkr points out, 2031 is a long ways off to be stuck with that contract. No I'd rather take the pain of 3 more years of Gallagher than 7 more years of Dubois. In dollar terms, it's $40MM. Yeah it's only Molson's money, but it also affects our CAP and our ability to add an actually useful player or two. We're going to be fine at centre and don't need his type of attitude in the locker room. No different from any other calculated risk i did in buying machinery. Do the due diligence then weigh risk reward. Dubois bring in risk but in the end, you need to take a certain risk to move to the next level. We got nothing in the minors that can match him and we need his kind. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 31, 2024 20:54:44 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 21:42:58 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey... No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 21:54:11 GMT -5
I watched a chunk of the Kings/Nashville game and Donkey has been invisible
14 minutes of ice time, 1 hit, 1 penalty and zero shots on net... 8.5M and no shots in a game... he is a donkey
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Post by Cranky on Jan 31, 2024 23:55:18 GMT -5
I watched a chunk of the Kings/Nashville game and Donkey has been invisible 14 minutes of ice time, 1 hit, 1 penalty and zero shots on net... 8.5M and no shots in a game... he is a donkey Is he playing on the 4th line? I have this sneaky suspicion that there is something wrong. Is he using? Has there been a fallout with coaching? Has there been an player dispute? Cliques? I can't believe he's this bad with no reason. Yes, I've had really bad employees that I had to get rid of but believe it or not, I reached a lot too. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 0:11:59 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. Miller is a hard to explain duck. I couldn't believe the Canucks extended him and traded Bo Horvat. Clearly I had a higher opinion of Horvat than they did but they had more information about Miller than I did. He used to be a defensive liability but he is no longer that guy. He has become much better offensively than he used to be, or the league changed enough that it favoured his game over the old version. His butting heads might be explained by his hyper competitiveness. I can understand that as I used to get really worked up over non perfection in my younger sports days. I yelled at teammates (and I still think they deserved it), but of course it was dumb and the wrong way to deal with non-perfection. If only I had Carey Price around to tell me to 'chill'. So the question is, "Is Dubois attitude issue, a matter of excess competitiveness or lack of a desire to work and sacrifice"? You'd have to know the guy better than I do to answer that. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 0:14:26 GMT -5
That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey... No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one I think you guys are both underrating donkeys. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 1, 2024 8:41:38 GMT -5
No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one I think you guys are both underrating donkeys. Lmao... I think we are |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 16:38:02 GMT -5
This doesn't fit in any current thread, but since we're discussing donkeys, I looked up Gary Bettman's tenure and he was hired as commissioner in Feb 1993. It is now clear that he saw the Habs win the Cup that year and vowed never again to have a Canadian team win the Cup on his watch. Has done a great job so far.
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2024 18:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 2, 2024 19:09:17 GMT -5
That article pretty much points a finger at Dubois as a team killing cancer.
Before the trade I was a huge supporter but had concerns that since we lost Weber and Price, there would be a leadership gap that a bad apple could infect the entire room. Looks like that minor fear would of been a major concern.
Time will tell us if Dubois is Satan in the room, but given the evidence, he sure looks like he has horns.
Good find jkr, even it it crushes any ill founded hope. In my defense, I'm tired of Habs sucking out any enjoyment I have of them. On paper, Dubois "looked" like a player that could change our fortunes. Obviously he's not a super talent but good enough to at least take us to the playoff horizon. I'm hoping Hughes pulls a rabbit out of his hat and finds enough to turn this team around within a year instead of making us Buffalo V2.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2024 2:55:33 GMT -5
That article pretty much points a finger at Dubois as a team killing cancer. Before the trade I was a huge supporter but had concerns that since we lost Weber and Price, there would be a leadership gap that a bad apple could infect the entire room. Looks like that minor fear would of been a major concern. Time will tell us if Dubois is Satan in the room, but given the evidence, he sure looks like he has horns. Good find jkr, even it it crushes any ill founded hope. In my defense, I'm tired of Habs sucking out any enjoyment I have of them. On paper, Dubois "looked" like a player that could change our fortunes. Obviously he's not a super talent but good enough to at least take us to the playoff horizon. I'm hoping Hughes pulls a rabbit out of his hat and finds enough to turn this team around within a year instead of making us Buffalo V2. yeah, the pressure is mounting to finish off the rebuild. Trouble is that there's too much evidence that it take 5 or 6 years of high picks before teams are truly ready. Can that be sped up? It can be if you're lucky enough to get some elite players at those important positions and if your scouting is good enough to add a lot of depth guys who don't cost you too much. Looking at the Habs, and being a Canadiens optimist, I think HuGo can do it. We're going to get a high pick again this year and the odds are we'll be able to latch onto one of Celebrini (hey, someone has to win the lottery), Demidov, Eiserman, Lindstrom or Catton. With four Dmen in McKenzie's top 10, we're guaranteed an excellent forward. Celebrini would be a franchise centre, not generational. But those other guys would all be dynamic offensive additions. Demidov has real star potential, and the fact he's Russian will drop him a bit in the draft. Not below 5 IMO, but who knows. Eiserman is another Caufield. Pure scorer. Defense is not a word in his vocabulary, but he's lights out from the blue line in. Celebrini, Lindstrom and Catton are the only true centres, though. Celebrini would end up our #1 and the others would be 1A or 1B with Suzuki. Strong down the middle, but young, of course. On defense, our best hope is still Guhle, who has more offensive potential than most give him credit for. Hutson is a long shot, but if he hits....wow. Reinbacher will be excellent IMO. He and Guhle may form the best pair in the league. And then there's tons of depth, with Struble, Mailloux, Engstrom, Harris, Xhakaj, Konyushkov and Barron. Some will not make it, but out of 7, you'd hope we hit on 3. It's those elite forwards we'll have the most trouble with. I'm getting the feeling Slafkovsky could turn into one of those elite guys that will scare the crap out of other teams. McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, etc. Those guys strike fear into opponents and I hope Slaf gets to that point...a superstar. I'm really liking his progression since that road trip where we really sucked in that one game (can't recall the opponent, Colorado, Vegas?). He seemed to put on his superman cape after that game where his career was being questioned. I think the change will happen next season. We'll still have some picks in 2025, but the ship has to start turning and the talent is there, so we'll go from acquiring players to developing them at full speed. Everyone has to improve and understand how to play in the NHL. They'll still make mistakes, but I truly feel we can challenge for a playoff spot. Health is a big concern. We can't afford injuries to key players. Caufield, Slaf, Suzuki, Dach, Newhook and Roy (I'm pencilling him in) need to play most of the 82 games. Teh defense has to being minimizing mistakes and getting the transition game going. Goal will be left to Montenmbeault and probably Primeau for now. It will take Fowler (or Dobes) or one of our other many goalie prospects time to mature. But Monty's ok. Anyway, my guess or hope at least is that we end up with 80-85 points next year and the kids all take another development leap. Glass half full now, but it has been half empty for too long. |
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Post by Cranky on May 6, 2024 10:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 6, 2024 15:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on May 6, 2024 16:53:55 GMT -5
First of all - I view these sites with scepticism. Unless it's by a reputable hockey writer I dismiss it. If it gets picked up by someone like Lebrun of Dreer then I pay attention. Secondly - Hughes can see what the rest of the league sees in Dubois - an overpaid 25 year old who is playing his way off his 3rd team. These articles are just wishful thinking for thd most part. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 6, 2024 17:24:39 GMT -5
First of all - I view these sites with scepticism. Unless it's by acreputabke hockey writer I dismiss it. If it gets picked up by someone like Lebrun of Dreer then I pay attention. Secondly - Hughes can see what the rest of the league sees in Dubois - an overpaid 25 year old who is playing his way off his 3rd team. These articles are just wishful thinking for thd most part. Clickbait |
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Post by Andrew on May 6, 2024 17:54:33 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out in LA. You'd have to think that Blake will live and die with the Dubois acquisition. The only way Dubois gets bought out if Blake is fired and it's his replacement that pulls the trigger.
Also worth noting that in the season in which he was traded to Winnipeg PLD produced very close to the 40 point pace of this first season in LA. Subsequently he produced at close to his career average in the next two seasons. Will a similar trend occur in LA?
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Post by Cranky on Jun 19, 2024 15:55:05 GMT -5
LA traded the Donkey to his next farm and his...."I always wanted to play for Washignton and I lied about the other two teams that I said I loved to play for".
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 19, 2024 16:32:29 GMT -5
Blake did very well getting rid of that guy and his baggage... and no salary retention
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 19, 2024 19:01:50 GMT -5
Honestly that is incredible lucky of Blake.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 20, 2024 20:21:42 GMT -5
Blake?
It's helpful to be a really good rat catcher, but the question is...why do you need to be a really good rat catcher? How about not being reckless with leaving that door open?
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2024 1:01:51 GMT -5
Honestly that is incredible lucky of Blake. I'm kind of shocked that McLellan, who is looking like a pretty good GM, would take this gamble. I guess he feels, he's getting rid of Kuemper, with Charlie Lindgren able to take over the #1 job (not quite proven yet) and that with Ovie at the end of his career, there's the old "lets run it back again" approach. Personally I think it's stupid. Unless you're lucky as hell like Zito with suckering some other Gm's in trades, you either tank for elite talent or you don't win the cup. In this CAP world it's been proven over and over. Ovie is done. If he can't handle the losing, he can retire, or ask to be traded. Frankly, I'm glad the Caps made this trade. It's that much less competition for us. Additionally, the CAPs don't have that young elite dman either. Carlson is 34 years old. There can't be much left in that tank. Even if Dubois turns over that proverbial leaf and becomes an elite centre (LOL), without the elite Dman, it's fruitless. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 22, 2024 17:01:15 GMT -5
Apparently the "rumour" was that Montreal and Boston were in on the negotiations. It makes perfect sense because I got an email from Molson asking me where he can get a sack of potatoes and two buckets of poutine...  I seriously doubt that Hughes would allow the Donkey circus into the Habs. He probably did make a lowball offer last season, but after the outstanding circus season the Donkey had, no chance in hell would he do it this season. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 22, 2024 20:10:04 GMT -5
Can't speak for everyone, but I have come to the conclusion that if it doesn't make sense to me, it won't to Hughes. He's smarter than I am and has more information. The idea of PLD coming to Montreal would form the base for a great Montreal Comedy Festival routine. But that does tell you that there are many, many, really dumb people out there who would actually think that was a good idea. If they were in the US, they'd be MAGA people. Or they're just throwing out trash to get clicks. I both cases they should not be given any attention. Block them or ignore them.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2024 9:15:19 GMT -5
I lol'd when I saw this Attachments:
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Post by Cranky on Jun 24, 2024 12:52:18 GMT -5
I have to hand it to PLDonkey, he's the very definition of a me-moi, selfish sports figure.
Unfortunately he will also be the idol of young ones who think they are entitled to money and glory...without the sweat and pain. I can smell it on Zegras, McGroarty and more young ones coming.
Hockey is getting basketballized...
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5
I have to hand it to PLDonkey, he's the very definition of a me-moi, selfish sports figure. Unfortunately he will also be the idol of young ones who think they are entitled to money and glory...without the sweat and pain. I can smell it on Zegras, McGroarty and more young ones coming. Hockey is getting basketballized... I listened to 32 thoughts and here is what Friedman had to say. "I've heard that McGroarty's name is out there, but the McGroarty family advisor is saying nothing and the Jets are saying nothing". That's it. Nothing else. You can go a thousand ways with that comment and you would be wrong 999 times or maybe even 1000. Unless someone has heard something else, from a reliable source, we know nothing else. Could be RM is a raving Nazi. Could be he is an entitled big jerk. Could be he didn't like not being able to burn a year of his contract. It might be he has concerns about Winnipeg's development process or the resources available. It could be he's allergic to Mosquitoes and that is a realistic concern. That's 5 possible takes and knowing the incredible imagination of some people on the web, he might even be an alien, or worse....a liberal in the US. I'm not even sure Zegras deserves his 'reputation' or that is blown out of proportion (I wouldn't risk it myself, but it could all be garbage). PLD is the only one who has proven he's not welcome. BTW, re 32 thoughts..Friedman suggested, without actually knowing, that Boston and the Habs were 2 of the teams very interested in PLD. Can you see that? I can't. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 24, 2024 14:57:03 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any rumours about CC being traded? Slaf? Suzuki? Neither have i...
There are various reasons we hear these names. Absolutely no team wants to lose their "budding stars" or triple AAA beef prospects if there wasn't a reason.
Not knowing the exact wording of the reason is like not knowing the exact room a house fire started. It stll burnt down the house...
So I'm not inclined to ignore the issues even if i don't know the exact issues.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 15:32:41 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any rumours about CC being traded? Slaf? Suzuki? Neither have i... There are various reasons we hear these names. Absolutely no team wants to lose their "budding stars" or triple AAA beef prospects if there wasn't a reason. Not knowing the exact wording of the reason is like not knowing the exact room a house fire started. It stll burnt down the house... So I'm not inclined to ignore the issues even if i don't know the exact issues. I don't doubt there's something there, or Friedman wouldn't have mentioned he was being shopped. The question is why and that's where we don't have much info in the public realm. Hughes probably knows a lot more about it than we do and if it isn't something that would affect the team, he'll be checking out availability. From a pure ability perspective, he is a top talent and the fit for the Habs would be really good. A big, talented winger, exactly what we're looking for in this draft. |
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