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Post by folatre on Jan 31, 2024 20:09:43 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that.
Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable.
I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game.
But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 31, 2024 20:48:45 GMT -5
Not me in this case. The difference is that when you took your risk, a lot of the odds of success depended on you. Sure, the economy, market, etc. mattered, but you were in control. In this case, you're not. Dubois is. Your success depends on his attitude and character because, as jkr points out, 2031 is a long ways off to be stuck with that contract. No I'd rather take the pain of 3 more years of Gallagher than 7 more years of Dubois. In dollar terms, it's $40MM. Yeah it's only Molson's money, but it also affects our CAP and our ability to add an actually useful player or two. We're going to be fine at centre and don't need his type of attitude in the locker room. No different from any other calculated risk i did in buying machinery. Do the due diligence then weigh risk reward. Dubois bring in risk but in the end, you need to take a certain risk to move to the next level. We got nothing in the minors that can match him and we need his kind.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 31, 2024 20:54:44 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 21:42:58 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey... No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 21:54:11 GMT -5
I watched a chunk of the Kings/Nashville game and Donkey has been invisible
14 minutes of ice time, 1 hit, 1 penalty and zero shots on net... 8.5M and no shots in a game... he is a donkey
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 31, 2024 23:55:18 GMT -5
I watched a chunk of the Kings/Nashville game and Donkey has been invisible 14 minutes of ice time, 1 hit, 1 penalty and zero shots on net... 8.5M and no shots in a game... he is a donkey Is he playing on the 4th line? I have this sneaky suspicion that there is something wrong. Is he using? Has there been a fallout with coaching? Has there been an player dispute? Cliques? I can't believe he's this bad with no reason. Yes, I've had really bad employees that I had to get rid of but believe it or not, I reached a lot too.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 0:11:59 GMT -5
jkr, I really cannot say with certainty. The league said $87.5 for next season and CapFriendly lists $92 for 2025-26, though they make no additional projections beyond that. Willie, I get it. For sure, there would certainly be risk (though the risk is not related to Gallagher being better than Dubois over the next three seasons). But the reward could be considerable. I was talking to a buddy after work today while I was at the rink for my son’s practice, and we got on the topic of JT Miller. This is a guy who ever since he broke into the league butted heads with coaches and teammates. There were attitude issues, questions about work habits and off-ice preparations. He wore out his welcome in New York and Tampa. Miller did not break the 60 point barrier until his age 26-27 season. And even when he made that jump, there continued to be concerns about the consistency of his effort game to game. But the moral of the story (if there is one, jeje) is that a highly skilled (and heavy) LW/C who broke into league as a teenager finally matured, got his act together, and found that top gear. Miller is a hard to explain duck. I couldn't believe the Canucks extended him and traded Bo Horvat. Clearly I had a higher opinion of Horvat than they did but they had more information about Miller than I did. He used to be a defensive liability but he is no longer that guy. He has become much better offensively than he used to be, or the league changed enough that it favoured his game over the old version. His butting heads might be explained by his hyper competitiveness. I can understand that as I used to get really worked up over non perfection in my younger sports days. I yelled at teammates (and I still think they deserved it), but of course it was dumb and the wrong way to deal with non-perfection. If only I had Carey Price around to tell me to 'chill'. So the question is, "Is Dubois attitude issue, a matter of excess competitiveness or lack of a desire to work and sacrifice"? You'd have to know the guy better than I do to answer that.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 0:14:26 GMT -5
That's what I'm hoping. Dubois issue is between his ears. A great coach or at least a smart GM should be able to reach him. The only other explanation is that he has an abuse issue. That is why i would bring the subject up in as friendly way as possible for a blood test. We are not unlocking the secrets of the universe, we're just trying to outsmart a donkey... No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one I think you guys are both underrating donkeys.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 1, 2024 8:41:38 GMT -5
No, you're trying to smarten up a donkey... it's far more difficult than outsmarting one I think you guys are both underrating donkeys. Lmao... I think we are
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 16:38:02 GMT -5
This doesn't fit in any current thread, but since we're discussing donkeys, I looked up Gary Bettman's tenure and he was hired as commissioner in Feb 1993. It is now clear that he saw the Habs win the Cup that year and vowed never again to have a Canadian team win the Cup on his watch. Has done a great job so far.
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2024 18:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 2, 2024 19:09:17 GMT -5
That article pretty much points a finger at Dubois as a team killing cancer.
Before the trade I was a huge supporter but had concerns that since we lost Weber and Price, there would be a leadership gap that a bad apple could infect the entire room. Looks like that minor fear would of been a major concern.
Time will tell us if Dubois is Satan in the room, but given the evidence, he sure looks like he has horns.
Good find jkr, even it it crushes any ill founded hope. In my defense, I'm tired of Habs sucking out any enjoyment I have of them. On paper, Dubois "looked" like a player that could change our fortunes. Obviously he's not a super talent but good enough to at least take us to the playoff horizon. I'm hoping Hughes pulls a rabbit out of his hat and finds enough to turn this team around within a year instead of making us Buffalo V2.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2024 2:55:33 GMT -5
That article pretty much points a finger at Dubois as a team killing cancer. Before the trade I was a huge supporter but had concerns that since we lost Weber and Price, there would be a leadership gap that a bad apple could infect the entire room. Looks like that minor fear would of been a major concern. Time will tell us if Dubois is Satan in the room, but given the evidence, he sure looks like he has horns. Good find jkr, even it it crushes any ill founded hope. In my defense, I'm tired of Habs sucking out any enjoyment I have of them. On paper, Dubois "looked" like a player that could change our fortunes. Obviously he's not a super talent but good enough to at least take us to the playoff horizon. I'm hoping Hughes pulls a rabbit out of his hat and finds enough to turn this team around within a year instead of making us Buffalo V2. yeah, the pressure is mounting to finish off the rebuild. Trouble is that there's too much evidence that it take 5 or 6 years of high picks before teams are truly ready. Can that be sped up? It can be if you're lucky enough to get some elite players at those important positions and if your scouting is good enough to add a lot of depth guys who don't cost you too much. Looking at the Habs, and being a Canadiens optimist, I think HuGo can do it. We're going to get a high pick again this year and the odds are we'll be able to latch onto one of Celebrini (hey, someone has to win the lottery), Demidov, Eiserman, Lindstrom or Catton. With four Dmen in McKenzie's top 10, we're guaranteed an excellent forward. Celebrini would be a franchise centre, not generational. But those other guys would all be dynamic offensive additions. Demidov has real star potential, and the fact he's Russian will drop him a bit in the draft. Not below 5 IMO, but who knows. Eiserman is another Caufield. Pure scorer. Defense is not a word in his vocabulary, but he's lights out from the blue line in. Celebrini, Lindstrom and Catton are the only true centres, though. Celebrini would end up our #1 and the others would be 1A or 1B with Suzuki. Strong down the middle, but young, of course. On defense, our best hope is still Guhle, who has more offensive potential than most give him credit for. Hutson is a long shot, but if he hits....wow. Reinbacher will be excellent IMO. He and Guhle may form the best pair in the league. And then there's tons of depth, with Struble, Mailloux, Engstrom, Harris, Xhakaj, Konyushkov and Barron. Some will not make it, but out of 7, you'd hope we hit on 3. It's those elite forwards we'll have the most trouble with. I'm getting the feeling Slafkovsky could turn into one of those elite guys that will scare the crap out of other teams. McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, etc. Those guys strike fear into opponents and I hope Slaf gets to that point...a superstar. I'm really liking his progression since that road trip where we really sucked in that one game (can't recall the opponent, Colorado, Vegas?). He seemed to put on his superman cape after that game where his career was being questioned. I think the change will happen next season. We'll still have some picks in 2025, but the ship has to start turning and the talent is there, so we'll go from acquiring players to developing them at full speed. Everyone has to improve and understand how to play in the NHL. They'll still make mistakes, but I truly feel we can challenge for a playoff spot. Health is a big concern. We can't afford injuries to key players. Caufield, Slaf, Suzuki, Dach, Newhook and Roy (I'm pencilling him in) need to play most of the 82 games. Teh defense has to being minimizing mistakes and getting the transition game going. Goal will be left to Montenmbeault and probably Primeau for now. It will take Fowler (or Dobes) or one of our other many goalie prospects time to mature. But Monty's ok. Anyway, my guess or hope at least is that we end up with 80-85 points next year and the kids all take another development leap. Glass half full now, but it has been half empty for too long.
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