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Post by Cranky on Nov 22, 2023 2:39:48 GMT -5
First, I got to apologize to the Hockey Gods for praising the false messiah
Then apologize to the legion of my adoring fans for praising the false messiah.
Then adjust the drums of hopium and copium. Less hopium, more copium.
Finally, donate a kidney to a grocery store with the promise that I won't fall for false messiah again. Or at least the balance of this year.
17 games
5 goals
4 assists
9 points
-2 plus/minus
8.5 million dollars
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 22, 2023 10:09:01 GMT -5
Lol... we all have copium hopium at some point... unfortunately a lot of people fell for the hype and promise of what he could bring... I'm just glad we did not sign him... imagine what the media would do to him...
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Post by seventeen on Nov 22, 2023 14:20:52 GMT -5
First, I got to apologize to the Hockey Gods for praising the false messiah Then apologize to the legion of my adoring fans for praising the false messiah. Then adjust the drums of hopium and copium. Less hopium, more copium. Finally, donate a kidney to a grocery store with the promise that I won't fall for false messiah again. Or at least the balance of this year. 17 games 5 goals 4 assists 9 points -2 plus/minus 8.5 million dollars But remember, he's there for the playoffs, and to be fair, his playoff numbers are not bad. That's a lot to pay, though, for a guy who only shines in the playoffs and even then you hope he's coming to play. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 22, 2023 14:29:24 GMT -5
Lol... we all have copium hopium at some point... unfortunately a lot of people fell for the hype and promise of what he could bring... I'm just glad we did not sign him... imagine what the media would do to him... The unmentionable would of been a clusterpile of media screaming and brand new circus in town. Then of course the "trade me" demands would follow. And to think that the trade would involve Dach? That would be an epic blow to our future. I honestly thought that he was better then this, but he appears to have the Drouin mediocrity disease of "I'm trying, don't push me bro". Shame on us for believing he was better then this, shame on him for the con job... |
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 22, 2023 15:15:01 GMT -5
He's a good second line player. But not worth top line money. I'd rather spend the extra million or 2 and get a 100 point player.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 22, 2023 15:35:08 GMT -5
Lol... we all have copium hopium at some point... unfortunately a lot of people fell for the hype and promise of what he could bring... I'm just glad we did not sign him... imagine what the media would do to him... The unmentionable would of been a clusterpile of media screaming and brand new circus in town. Then of course the "trade me" demands would follow. And to think that the trade would involve Dach? That would be an epic blow to our future. I honestly thought that he was better then this, but he appears to have the Drouin mediocrity disease of "I'm trying, don't push me bro". Shame on us for believing he was better then this, shame on him for the con job... He's not the first guy to try that on us. The fact he had 'quit' on his two previous teams was a red flag. If I was his shoes and really wanted to play for a particular team, I would not demand a trade. I would quietly contact the other team, work out some sort of money agreement and then wait until I was a UFA and sign with that team. Simple, easy, very cheap for the team he signs with and no drama. It's not even fair to demand a trade and then put your existing team in a position of weakness in trade negotiations. I've been conned before and it's always when you really, really want what is being offered. That's a red flag in itself, but hard to resist. Anyway, it all worked out well, so whew. Man, remember when Lucic was a UFA and reports were we were interestede? Thankfully, MB's cheapness won out. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 22, 2023 15:51:50 GMT -5
In hindsight...his agent and Jets colluded to increase his value.
LA was not in the cards but suddenly they are and in the hope that Habs increase the offer or put Dach on the table.
That bullpucks about him "wanting to come home" was pure baiting. It's intent was to rile up media and fan pressure. Worked for the fans but not for management.
Last year he played well for half a season and mailed in the rest. That and the now obvious con job should be a lesson we shouldn't forget...but fans are always loaded with hopium. Like a starving man, shoe leather can look like roast beef.
We're coping with more bottom dwelling, we don't need a circus.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 2, 2023 13:17:17 GMT -5
He is currently on pace for 20 goals and 25 assists... he'd fit in perfectly with the Habs roster... 8.5 mill for 20 goals
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Post by Cranky on Dec 2, 2023 19:21:58 GMT -5
He would become the lightning rod and head bull for the media rodeo circus.
We still need someone like him, but a real version, not the fake version we almost bit the bullet on. That is why I have enormous amount of hopium on Dach.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 3, 2023 13:34:11 GMT -5
He would become the lightning rod and head bull for the media rodeo circus. We still need someone like him, but a real version, not the fake version we almost bit the bullet on. That is why I have enormous amount of hopium on Dach. I have hope that Slaf becomes the beast we wanted Anderson to be... I think he has the smarts and the skill, he's still adjusting to the speed of the game but he is getting better... I imagine his first year in Laval against lesser talent would have helped the transition much more but no crying over spilled milk. In 2 years when Slaf fills out we will have a number of big boys on the team |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 23, 2023 3:55:19 GMT -5
The LA forum is freaking out over the donkey.
They only have this season to trade him before his NMC kicks in.
Right now, we can probably get the donkey circus for a good joke, but why on earth would HuGo want to make Drouin fiasco look like a winner?
I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe I'm wrong, but, that's just the excessive hopium I'm taking these days.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2023 10:34:44 GMT -5
The LA forum is freaking out over the donkey. They only have this season to trade him before his NMC kicks in. Right now, we can probably get the donkey circus for a good joke, but why on earth would HuGo want to make Drouin fiasco look like a winner? I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe I'm wrong, but, that's just the excessive hopium I'm taking these days. Lol... I don't blame them... he doesn't seem to have the passion you would expect of someone playing for the team they dreamed about playing for as a child... He really is a donkey or as they are more commonly knows as... an ass. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 23, 2023 15:58:35 GMT -5
"I dreamed i play for as a child" is pure bullpucks. It's so disingenious that it borders on mockery.
The entire affair absolutely reeks of self serving PR manupulation to get the big payday and coast on it.
What annoys me most is that i suspended my usual cynicism to believe him.
Fool me once...
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2023 18:25:16 GMT -5
"I dreamed i play for as a child" is pure bullpucks. It's so disingenious that it borders on mockery. The entire affair absolutely reeks of self serving PR manupulation to get the big payday and coast on it. What annoys me most is that i suspended my usual cynicism to believe him. Fool me once... He broke your Hopium Reservoir... |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 24, 2023 0:26:04 GMT -5
On the flip side, the Kings have to be some pi$$ed off that they made that trade. Villardi is looking like not just a replacement for Dubois on the Jets, but an improvement. I've watched him play a few games and the guy is for real. He's got skill coming out of his ying yang, and he's 6' 3", 216 lbs, and 24 years old. Kings management must be kicking themselves. It's not like Villardi's not a playoff performer either. This season, so far, he's got 16 points in 15 games, or 3 more points in 13 fewer games than Dubois. Chevaldayoff must be just guzzling the Scotch in his house. It's party time forever.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 24, 2023 9:51:53 GMT -5
On the flip side, the Kings have to be some pi$$ed off that they made that trade. Villardi is looking like not just a replacement for Dubois on the Jets, but an improvement. I've watched him play a few games and the guy is for real. He's got skill coming out of his ying yang, and he's 6' 3", 216 lbs, and 24 years old. Kings management must be kicking themselves. It's not like Villardi's not a playoff performer either. This season, so far, he's got 16 points in 15 games, or 3 more points in 13 fewer games than Dubois. Chevaldayoff must be just guzzling the Scotch in his house. It's party time forever. I wonder if this was a Burgerbrain thing... how much influence did he have... And Villardi has helped lessen the impact if the Connor injury |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 24, 2023 14:23:51 GMT -5
On the flip side, the Kings have to be some pi$$ed off that they made that trade. Villardi is looking like not just a replacement for Dubois on the Jets, but an improvement. I've watched him play a few games and the guy is for real. He's got skill coming out of his ying yang, and he's 6' 3", 216 lbs, and 24 years old. Kings management must be kicking themselves. It's not like Villardi's not a playoff performer either. This season, so far, he's got 16 points in 15 games, or 3 more points in 13 fewer games than Dubois. Chevaldayoff must be just guzzling the Scotch in his house. It's party time forever. I wonder if this was a Burgerbrain thing... how much influence did he have... And Villardi has helped lessen the impact if the Connor injury Villardi is yet another example of a big guy, hampered by injuries early in his NHL careeer, who develops late but is a real impact player. Hmmmmm, do we know anyone like that? Another development in the evolution of the game (in hindsight) is that 18 year olds used to be able to move into the league with less trouble than they do now. Maybe the game wasn't as structured so their mistakes didn't stand out as much, but it seems that youngsters, with a few exceptions, aren't making a real impact until they're 22, 23 instead of 19, 20. We're also seeing a lot of 24, 25 year olds coming up from the minors and doing well when I used to think they were too old to develop further. Just my observation. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 14, 2024 17:20:33 GMT -5
Just a scary thought crossed my mind...
PLDonkey value has fallen so far that he may be available for used pucks. He has an NMC that takes into effect next year and the Kings have an extremely limited window to get rid of him now OR buy him out for relatively cheaply.
Could he be traded in the next few weeks to see if it ignites him? The risk is if it doesn't then the NEXT team will have to eat the buyout BEFORE this summer at about 1.8 million per year for the balance of the contract. After that, it becomes a 3.5 million nightmare.
Is he worth any kind of risk? Even if we trade Armia or Ghally for him?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 14, 2024 19:28:53 GMT -5
Just a scary thought crossed my mind... PLDonkey value has fallen so far that he may be available for used pucks. He has an NMC that takes into effect next year and the Kings have an extremely limited window to get rid of him now OR buy him out for relatively cheaply. Could he be traded in the next few weeks to see if it ignites him? The risk is if it doesn't then the NEXT team will have to eat the buyout BEFORE this summer at about 1.8 million per year for the balance of the contract. After that, it becomes a 3.5 million nightmare. Is he worth any kind of risk? Even if we trade Armia or Ghally for him? A trade has never ignited him... mathematically he will be Drouin cubed in Montreal... we have enough under achievers... |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 15, 2024 0:51:15 GMT -5
I wrote this in a Kings forum... Here is the link for buyout.
www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq
Biggest question of all is...does any team want him? Maybe for free and possible a pair of 2nd round slippers thrown in, but they will then be stuck with having to buy him out if he keeps stinking up the place.
There is something bothering me about the rush to get out this year. Why? He could of waited one more year, played for the Jets and the dollar difference would be minor for him.
Is it possible he and the Jets hid concussion injury or abuse issues? So he the Jets play along to replace him, he gets his huge contract and magically at 26, he's another Drouin/Price with "issues". Buying him out will still let him live like a king. Or he goes on LTIR.
This level of a drop off for a 25 year old approaching his prime is...a head scratcher. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 15, 2024 8:17:27 GMT -5
I wrote this in a Kings forum... Here is the link for buyout.
www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq
Biggest question of all is...does any team want him? Maybe for free and possible a pair of 2nd round slippers thrown in, but they will then be stuck with having to buy him out if he keeps stinking up the place.
There is something bothering me about the rush to get out this year. Why? He could of waited one more year, played for the Jets and the dollar difference would be minor for him.
Is it possible he and the Jets hid concussion injury or abuse issues? So he the Jets play along to replace him, he gets his huge contract and magically at 26, he's another Drouin/Price with "issues". Buying him out will still let him live like a king. Or he goes on LTIR.
This level of a drop off for a 25 year old approaching his prime is...a head scratcher.I am sure they loved that post. What was the reaction? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 23, 2024 18:41:04 GMT -5
Things are going from bad to worse for PLD
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 30, 2024 18:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jan 31, 2024 6:13:58 GMT -5
Call me crazy...as GM...
I would ask the Kings to have a man-to-man chat with Dubois and then, depending what I take away from that meeting, I would pull the trigger on a Gallagher for Dubois trade.
I was called extra crazy to my face 33 years ago by all my family and friends when I quit my cushy, very high paying plant manager job for a major corporation and started on my own, head first into 80-90 hour weeks.
Simply put, you don't get the reward if you don't put everything on the line and take a CHANCE.
Dubois as a 60 point center brings the team up several steps, which right now would be knocking or close for a playoff spot. A motivated 90 point Dubois brings us to the playoffs.
REALLY big risk, but better then mediocrity. A true high risk, high failure OR reward trade.
Anyone else as crazy?
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2024 8:00:40 GMT -5
Rob Blake may see Gallagher as the lesser of two evils contract wise. I cant think of another reason L.A. would consider him. Surely, even Bergevin sees what a blunder that deal was. If Blake wants someone to take him off his hands then he will really have to sweeten the pot.
But then Montreal is stuck with Dubois at 8.5 until 2031. That's too much $ for what he produces (he has never been above the 60 point neighborhood) and too much term for a guy that has now forced his way off two teams.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2024 12:21:34 GMT -5
Call me crazy...as GM... I would ask the Kings to have a man-to-man chat with Dubois and then, depending what I take away from that meeting, I would pull the trigger on a Gallagher for Dubois trade. I was called extra crazy to my face 33 years ago by all my family and friends when I quit my cushy, very high paying plant manager job for a major corporation and started on my own, head first into 80-90 hour weeks. Simply put, you don't get the reward if you don't put everything on the line and take a CHANCE. Dubois as a 60 point center brings the team up several steps, which right now would be knocking or close for a playoff spot. A motivated 90 point Dubois brings us to the playoffs. REALLY big risk, but better then mediocrity. A true high risk, high failure OR reward trade. Anyone else as crazy? Not me in this case. The difference is that when you took your risk, a lot of the odds of success depended on you. Sure, the economy, market, etc. mattered, but you were in control. In this case, you're not. Dubois is. Your success depends on his attitude and character because, as jkr points out, 2031 is a long ways off to be stuck with that contract. No I'd rather take the pain of 3 more years of Gallagher than 7 more years of Dubois. In dollar terms, it's $40MM. Yeah it's only Molson's money, but it also affects our CAP and our ability to add an actually useful player or two. We're going to be fine at centre and don't need his type of attitude in the locker room. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 15:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jan 31, 2024 18:12:11 GMT -5
Gallagher is six years older (plus he is small with body breaking down so it is actually more like a decade age differential). Dubois will be 32 when his contract finishes. The cap is set at $92 million in 2025-26 and perhaps $95-97 the following season. A sixty point center is not a home run per se, but I would take the chance.
The Habs have been drafting d-men out the ying-yang. It is not like the organization has a lot of quality center depth.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2024 18:31:11 GMT -5
That's a lot of risk... if he's miserable in LA, what will happen in Montreal if he begins pouting, the media and fans will eat him alive... he'll be Drouin++++
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2024 19:06:55 GMT -5
Gallagher is six years older (plus he is small with body breaking down so it is actually more like a decade age differential). Dubois will be 32 when his contract finishes. The cap is set at $92 million in 2025-26 and perhaps $95-97 the following season. A sixty point center is not a home run per se, but I would take the chance. The Habs have been drafting d-men out the ying-yang. It is not like the organization has a lot of quality center depth. The cap is already set for two years from now? |
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