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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2024 10:38:53 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jan 24, 2024 13:19:37 GMT -5
What I would do (in my infinite wisdom) is to hire a guy who is a tactical wizard and great on systems. even if he or she sucks at the interpersonal skill side of things. Someone like Guy Boucher (do I have those characteristics right?). It has to be someone who is old enough or has failed enough as a head coach, that they are not a threat to MSL, but can really help him in those areas where it appears he has weaknesses. Marty can handle dealing with player's feelings, but there's another person around who can remind him of the tough conversations that are needed, when to call time outs, and to balance out MSL's feelings about players and where they should be in the line-up. (Anderson back on the top line???!!!)
Gallant, I think, will be striving to be a head coach again, not an assistant. That won't work for our situation.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 24, 2024 14:55:48 GMT -5
Frankly, this is HuGo's first real blunder. They needed to protect and cover Marty with an experienced coach who can put Marty's message into practice. That should have been obvious. Management had a full off-season to surround Marty with a better staff, but better late than never.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jan 24, 2024 15:20:29 GMT -5
Frankly, this is HuGo's first real blunder. They needed to protect and cover Marty with an experienced coach who can put Marty's message into practice. That should have been obvious. Management had a full off-season to surround Marty with a better staff, but better late than never. I have zero expectations beyond player development for this year so I tend to not get frustrated with tactics too much. Would I like to see a new special teams coach? Yes but beyond that I don't feel the need to obtain a systems guy tomorrow. Systems, in my pigheaded and biased opinion, do not develop players. It's regurgitations and repetition. Not hard to learn but time consuming and I'd rather have that time spent on developing other skills for developing players at the moment. That is what I think this group is prioritizing. When this team reaches the stage where it's ready to switch I'm all in but I don't think we're there yet. That said, Burrows' contract will be done at the end of the year and based on MSL's reactions, I think it's safe to assume that it won't be renewed and he'll be replaced with someone that's better suited for the role. I guarantee the succession plan has been a major discussion point within this group. In the meantime. Stay tanky my friends........... |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 24, 2024 21:05:05 GMT -5
I'm going to make a suggestion but it may be controversial. He's known as an ahole and a failure but he certainly well qualified as an ashole and a failure. MT  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2024 21:53:36 GMT -5
I'm going to make a suggestion but it may be controversial. He's known as an ahole and a failure but he certainly well qualified as an ashole and a failure. MT If you want an a-hole, he's your man, if you want a guy who can do Xs and Os, he's not your man... remember his teaching lesson to PK... 'Play the right F'n way' |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 24, 2024 23:50:38 GMT -5
I'm going to make a suggestion but it may be controversial. He's known as an ahole and a failure but he certainly well qualified as an ashole and a failure. MT If you want an a-hole, he's your man, if you want a guy who can do Xs and Os, he's not your man... remember his teaching lesson to PK... 'Play the right F'n way' And we can't forget his favourite and only zone exit strategy --- "Chip it off the glass!" Cranky's just doing this to yank our chains. He'd be the first guy committing seppuku if Therrien was hired. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 25, 2024 2:23:23 GMT -5
If you want an a-hole, he's your man, if you want a guy who can do Xs and Os, he's not your man... remember his teaching lesson to PK... 'Play the right F'n way' And we can't forget his favourite and only zone exit strategy --- "Chip it off the glass!" Cranky's just doing this to yank our chains. He'd be the first guy committing seppuku if Therrien was hired. Sure hope you're correct on your assessment of Cranky. Ohterwise we need to talk intervention. And if MT ever gets anywhere close to this young team, I will be the one who needs treatment  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 25, 2024 8:22:57 GMT -5
If you want an a-hole, he's your man, if you want a guy who can do Xs and Os, he's not your man... remember his teaching lesson to PK... 'Play the right F'n way' And we can't forget his favourite and only zone exit strategy --- "Chip it off the glass!" Cranky's just doing this to yank our chains. He'd be the first guy committing seppuku if Therrien was hired. I know, I just like quoting MTHead and burgerbrain |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 28, 2024 17:15:00 GMT -5
You guys are too easy....
MThead had one strategy...yell. i literally fired lead hands, supervisors and managers with that attitude, never mind trying to lead a bunch of kids.
The biggest lesson at 22 in my pro life was my first boss sitting me down and pounding in the most valuable lesson ever. "I hired you because you are smarter then anyone here. So why do you want to fire people if you are capable of leading them?" That was the end of me using management "hard powers" and the beginning of leading people. I still fired but at least i gave it a really good try to get the most out of my people.
MThead never learned that lesson and likely not capable of it. Neither was BargainBin capable of teaching him. So yelling was the only option.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 29, 2024 0:24:25 GMT -5
You guys are too easy.... MThead had one strategy...yell. i literally fired lead hands, supervisors and managers with that attitude, never mind trying to lead a bunch of kids. The biggest lesson at 22 in my pro life was my first boss sitting me down and pounding in the most valuable lesson ever. "I hired you because you are smarter then anyone here. So why do you want to fire people if you are capable of leading them?" That was the end of me using management "hard powers" and the beginning of leading people. I still fired but at least i gave it a really good try to get the most out of my people. MThead never learned that lesson and likely not capable of it. Neither was BargainBin capable of teaching him. So yelling was the only option. The difference between your expeirnce and that of MB and MT is that neither of them were "smarter than anyone here" - except in their minds. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2024 1:51:55 GMT -5
The difference between your expeirnce and that of MB and MT is that neither of them were "smarter than anyone here" - except in their minds. The smartest one was my boss. He knew I had an arrogance streak and he capitalized on it. His other pet trick was asking me what i did better today then yesterday to earn my pay...every single day. My boss couldn't run the plant but he was smart enough to hire someone that could AND motivate them. Which brings us back to a basic question.... If MThead wasn't a good coach, did he have someone who could help him? Teach him? If BargainBin wasn't a good manager who could help his coach, did he have someone who could help him? Teach him? What the hell was Molson doing? Idiocracy reigned supreme... |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 29, 2024 14:28:59 GMT -5
The difference between your expeirnce and that of MB and MT is that neither of them were "smarter than anyone here" - except in their minds. The smartest one was my boss. He knew I had an arrogance streak and he capitalized on it. His other pet trick was asking me what i did better today then yesterday to earn my pay...every single day. My boss couldn't run the plant but he was smart enough to hire someone that could AND motivate them. Which brings us back to a basic question.... If MThead wasn't a good coach, did he have someone who could help him? Teach him? If BargainBin wasn't a good manager who could help his coach, did he have someone who could help him? Teach him? What the hell was Molson doing? Idiocracy reigned supreme... This is an interesting point with a volunteer group I work with. They were keen to implement term limits, so after a set period of time that person had to step down and leave the society. Twelve people on this Board and I was the only vote against. I'm sure their reasoning was that it was easier than having that discussion you should have as a leader, with a dysfunctional board member. They were willing to put up with them until their term ended and the poof, they're gone. That disregards the fact this director could be poisoning the atmosphere and culture for years until the limit comes into play. (Sound familiar?). I'm guessing Molson had that same attitude (minus the term limits). He probably didn't want to have that difficult discussion, or do that mentoring that a good leader is supposed to. There's a CEO of a very large company (Constellation Software) who addressed this question in an annual General Meeting via his President's letter to shareholders. Mark Leonard made the point that you try and choose the best people for the Company Board of Directors. He stated that the main job of a Director is not governance (even though that is important), but mentoring. That's leadership and sometimes an employee just doesn't make the cut, but they deserve support and help until they prove they can't do the job anyway. MB and MT were both in this latter category. Neither had the skills necessary to be leaders. My brother and I still joke about Bergevin being a note taker with the Hawks when he was Assistant GM. He went to meetings with Bowman and took notes. Therrien got where he did by bullying kids in Juniour, where that strategy can work, and then failing in the pros where some players had more power than he did. He could bully Terry Ryan, but not PK or Markov. The problem I had with Molson was that by the end of the first contract, he should have recognized that no matter what kind of 'plan' Bergevin proposed, he wasn't capable of executing on it. A simple survey of other owners would disclose the lack of organization structure needed to succeed. He should NEVER have extended Bergevin another 5 years. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2024 18:52:20 GMT -5
In management mentoring those you are in charge is huge part of the job.
I don't care how many degrees they give out in university, when faced with achieving goals with the people one has one MUST be able to lead them to where you want.
From the top down i never thought that the Habs had the management to do anything more then get through the day.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2024 9:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 9, 2024 11:16:12 GMT -5
I'm good with various skills coaches. But sometimes i think coaches make up 'exotic' drills to make it look like they're clever without much benefit. I don't get shooting at 3 different nets postioned at locations you would never see during a game. One would have thought reps would consist of the player getting familiar with where he is on the ice in relation to the position of the net which is always a constant. That way they learn the way to shoot the puck and where and can do ti without looking whether they are at the top of the circle, to the side or elsewhere. Anyway... |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 9, 2024 11:49:09 GMT -5
Great to see Slaf's hard work in this area. As he's improved, in most areas of his game, the big question for me was around his ability to finish. For the most part he's been a bit too slow on the release and/or not accurate on his shots. The goals he's scored were fairly average, on chances that most guys on our team would probably bury. Those two goals against Washington, however, were goal-scorers goals, so the hard work appears to be paying off. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2024 14:08:31 GMT -5
I'm good with various skills coaches. But sometimes i think coaches make up 'exotic' drills to make it look like they're clever without much benefit. I don't get shooting at 3 different nets postioned at locations you would never see during a game. One would have thought reps would consist of the player getting familiar with where he is on the ice in relation to the position of the net which is always a constant. That way they learn the way to shoot the puck and where and can do ti without looking whether they are at the top of the circle, to the side or elsewhere. Anyway... I think the whole idea is to be able to maneuver and get your shot off which is what he did on the first goal... once he is good at that drill, then you put a d man out there and have him work on the same thing |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 9, 2024 17:29:15 GMT -5
When i see NHL players that need 500 pucks to take out 4 corner net targets, i think they don't practice enough.
For crying out loud as twelve year olds in street hockey, we were hitting a square foot target 3 feet off the ground with our trusted 3 dollar sticks.
Of course the Gump had no chance in hell stopping our greatness...
Youngsters these days....they need an app for that....
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 9, 2024 20:28:56 GMT -5
I'm good with various skills coaches. But sometimes i think coaches make up 'exotic' drills to make it look like they're clever without much benefit. I don't get shooting at 3 different nets postioned at locations you would never see during a game. One would have thought reps would consist of the player getting familiar with where he is on the ice in relation to the position of the net which is always a constant. That way they learn the way to shoot the puck and where and can do ti without looking whether they are at the top of the circle, to the side or elsewhere. Anyway... I think the whole idea is to be able to maneuver and get your shot off which is what he did on the first goal... once he is good at that drill, then you put a d man out there and have him work on the same thing Has there ever been a 1st OA that required this much practice to score goals AFTER he was drafted |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2024 20:37:16 GMT -5
Don't know but if he keeps scoring goals like he did against the caps them I hope they do this with every player the team has.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 10, 2024 2:39:49 GMT -5
Don't know but if he keeps scoring goals like he did against the caps them I hope they do this with every player the team has. Chuckle. Yeah, those two goals were good. The one-timer is not unusual. I'm sure players in the 50's used to do that. That first goal was really nice, though. The toe drag, the release, the accuracy, the speed. So many good things all wrapped up in one play. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 10, 2024 8:45:37 GMT -5
Don't know but if he keeps scoring goals like he did against the caps them I hope they do this with every player the team has. Chuckle. Yeah, those two goals were good. The one-timer is not unusual. I'm sure players in the 50's used to do that. That first goal was really nice, though. The toe drag, the release, the accuracy, the speed. So many good things all wrapped up in one play. The thing is he's had setups like his second goal and fanned on it this year... if he can continue to connect then he will be golden because he has a powerful slap shot but a really deceptive snap shop that accelerates off his stick with a lot of velocity. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 10, 2024 11:25:07 GMT -5
I think the whole idea is to be able to maneuver and get your shot off which is what he did on the first goal... once he is good at that drill, then you put a d man out there and have him work on the same thing Has there ever been a 1st OA that required this much practice to score goals AFTER he was drafted Absolutely. Yakupov, Stefan, Daigle The difference was they required it, but did not get it ... Slafkovsky will not have the least goals by a 1OA in his career |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 10, 2024 12:34:36 GMT -5
Has there ever been a 1st OA that required this much practice to score goals AFTER he was drafted Absolutely. Yakupov, Stefan, Daigle The difference was they required it, but did not get it ... Slafkovsky will not have the least goals by a 1OA in his career The other difference is everything I'm seeing and reading about Juri is he is dedicated to getting better and being the best he can be. I think the 3 you mention, Yaks and Daigle for sure, beleived they were already the best and didn't need to do anything further. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 10, 2024 16:39:32 GMT -5
All you youngsters under 80 probably dont know that in the 60s-70s the rage was to practice with steel pucks and with those curved voodoo sticks.
Even rumours of broken up hotel rooms.
This was practiced by players like superstar Bobby Hull who was tested at 121mph slapshot, which still hasn't been matched despite carbon sticks. This practise was years into alresdy great careers.
Fun fact....i made a steel puck at work and after about a dozen wrist shots, i surrendered to the pain.
Imagine the drug reduced pain or magic wrists these guys had?
Point is that just because a player has made it into the NHL, maybe already a star, it doesn't mean he can't improve.
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 10, 2024 18:22:13 GMT -5
Has there ever been a 1st OA that required this much practice to score goals AFTER he was drafted Absolutely. Yakupov, Stefan, Daigle The difference was they required it, but did not get it ... Slafkovsky will not have the least goals by a 1OA in his career Those guys were prolific scorers coming into the league. Slaf has never been a big scorer and we're gambling that that can be taught at this point. Maybe it can but it's definitely a project |
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