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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 26, 2024 18:25:21 GMT -5
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Post by drkcloud on Jan 26, 2024 18:32:48 GMT -5
I got no problems with 5 games here, despite certain other players and teams seemingly getting a free pass. This wasn't an accident and for whatever unknown reason he seemed to go after him deliberately
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Post by folatre on Jan 26, 2024 19:05:53 GMT -5
Parros is just all over the place, no consistency whatsoever. I guess when your bosses are the likes of Campbell and Bettman doing your job poorly is basically the same as doing your job well.
Gallagher started the season relatively well, but he has fallen off the cliff again. Seeing him dragging himself around the ice and taking dumb penalties for another three years is a mind numbing prospect. I am not sure what (or when) the end game will be, but I think management will be engaged in some deep thinking on the matter ahead of the summer.
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2024 19:20:21 GMT -5
I know the league is appallingly inconsistent but this was just an awful hit. Unprovoked, unjustified. It's the kind of blow that can leave a player seriously concussed.
Maybe the 5 game suspension and the all star break will give BG time to think about what the he!! he is actually doing out on the ice.
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Post by halihab on Jan 26, 2024 19:38:23 GMT -5
I got no problems with 5 games here, despite certain other players and teams seemingly getting a free pass. This wasn't an accident and for whatever unknown reason he seemed to go after him deliberately I agree. I definitely don't like the hit, but this is out of character for Gally to deliberately go after someone's head like that. I think it was some sort of payback. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 27, 2024 12:38:18 GMT -5
I think Spezza got 6 for a first time suspension. I thought 5 was steep, I was expecting 3. But I'm ok with 5. Gallagher has been pretty much useless for over 2 years. I'd like MSL to sit him after the 5 game suspension, for a few games to let him know, the team needs his head on straight, and to lead. We have "leaders" on this team teaching the young core that taking penalties late in games is ok ... and we have coaches not punishing these idiots |
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 27, 2024 13:00:18 GMT -5
i'm good with 5, especially if the league keeps giving 5 for similar cheap shots. As for Gally he now has a justified reputation for a cheap shot artist. If he thought he wasn't getting any breaks from the refs before, ....
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2024 13:49:12 GMT -5
Truoba elbowed a knight player right off the faceoff, I wonder what the dopes will give this repeat offender... probably a fine... he gets a phone hearing
Given his history he are some videos... trouba is a piece of Saperlipopette
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 27, 2024 15:10:01 GMT -5
Tx for posting those WD.
The only one i find comparable to Gally's is the one on Stone - and i would say Stone's was worse. What did Trouba get for that?
Having said that, the most recent one wasn't as bad but given his history Trouba should get some games.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2024 15:27:32 GMT -5
Parros is just all over the place, no consistency whatsoever. I guess when your bosses are the likes of Campbell and Bettman doing your job poorly is basically the same as doing your job well. It's one of his Key Performance Indicators. Consistency. The less consistent, the higher a score, the greater the salary increase. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2024 15:44:19 GMT -5
I think Spezza got 6 for a first time suspension. I thought 5 was steep, I was expecting 3. But I'm ok with 5. Gallagher has been pretty much useless for over 2 years. I'd like MSL to sit him after the 5 game suspension, for a few games to let him know, the team needs his head on straight, and to lead.We have "leaders" on this team teaching the young core that taking penalties late in games is ok ... and we have coaches not punishing these idiots That was a key point in Basu and Godin's 'The Notebook' podcast yesterday. Both agreed that there's not much Marty can do, that you can't sit Gallagher after the suspension. Frankly I was flabbergasted. That's exactly what I would do. It's not enough for the league to punish him, he has to be reminded that you can't take stupid penalties and put your team behind the 8 ball. Basu and Godin brought up 3 different times that Gallagher has taken a late 3rd period penalty in a tight game that cost the Habs. There was one where Montreal was leading by 1, with a couple of minutes to go. Gallagher took at 4 minute high sticking penalty and the opposition (can't recall who) scored two goals and won. That's three times that BG hurt the team badly and Marty closed his eyes and his mouth. Xhekaj takes two minors, one of which was a dubious call by the ref (Two minutes for being too strong) and Marty publicly makes a snide remark. I swear he's turning into Therrien. I can understand the lack of support from his assistants (We're not really trying to win yet and Molson would not want to pay extra salaries, so these guys are around till their contracts run out), but bringing the kids along properly is THE priority. Not supporting them in public is a bad mistake. I wonder if the losing is getting to him. Or he's having difficulty with the stealth tank, because he has to contribute to it (and is doing a great job, neutering the top line by putting Anderson back on it) but it goes against his nature. In any case, some of his decisions have not only been puzzling, but wrong and detrimental to the development of the youngsters. Let's hope the TDL ends some of that (though a really good guy, Monahan, will also be gone). I feel fine with the 5 games. No, that's wrong. I would have liked 20, for 2 reasons. The first is to set a precedent for others, that a head shot is going to hurt your income a lot. Secondly, it would force Marty to do without Gallagher for a good chunk of the year and he's been non productive, so we'd have to be ahead. Would Ylonen actually get some time, or would Marty still carry on with this grudge he has against him? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2024 17:30:45 GMT -5
Trouba gets 2 games...
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Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2024 17:40:19 GMT -5
What do Basu & Godin mean - that BG cant br scratched? I call BS on that from 2 guys that should know better.
But I do agree that St. Louis seems to have a double standard fof vets vs. kids. We saw that several weeks ago when Armia cost them by pulling someone's helmet off. No consequences. That's wrong & someone has to set him straight.
BTW - the game where BG got thd late 4 minute penalty was against Vegas.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 28, 2024 13:34:58 GMT -5
Parros is just all over the place, no consistency whatsoever. I guess when your bosses are the likes of Campbell and Bettman doing your job poorly is basically the same as doing your job well. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 28, 2024 15:06:08 GMT -5
Parros is just all over the place, no consistency whatsoever. I guess when your bosses are the likes of Campbell and Bettman doing your job poorly is basically the same as doing your job well. Never been a fan of Simmons but at least he criticized the nhl head office... wonder if he ever complained about the kid glove treatment Trouba gets |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 28, 2024 15:33:18 GMT -5
What do Basu & Godin mean - that BG cant br scratched? I call BS on that from 2 guys that should know better. But I do agree that St. Louis seems to have a double standard for vets vs. kids. BTW - the game where BG got thd late 4 minute penalty was against Vegas. I found that analysis puzzling. It's partly the vet thing and (I'm assuming here) the optics of him being punished already by the league. They didn't really elaborate but just agreed Marty wouldn't penalize him further. As we both think, why not punish him for crimes against his own team? At least play him on the bottom line and who knows, that may be the case. But Ylonen will be scratched as a result. Ylonen made a couple of good plays last night because of his speed. He carried the puck out once with two guys trying to catch him and not succeeding. Ylonen has great wheels, is a good passer, has a legitimate shot and has set up guys, so he sees the ice well. What's not to like? I haven't been able to watch him at the defensive end as the camera follows the puck too narrowly, but there are a lot of guys not playing well in their own end. You didn't see Anderson punished for puck watching and letting Guentzel get past him to score the tying goal. Marty has tunnel vision too. Now that's a topic for an entirely new thread. "Just how good a coach is Marty? Or is he only a good salesman instead?" |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 28, 2024 16:46:14 GMT -5
What do Basu & Godin mean - that BG cant br scratched? I call BS on that from 2 guys that should know better. But I do agree that St. Louis seems to have a double standard for vets vs. kids. BTW - the game where BG got thd late 4 minute penalty was against Vegas. I found that analysis puzzling. It's partly the vet thing and (I'm assuming here) the optics of him being punished already by the league. They didn't really elaborate but just agreed Marty wouldn't penalize him further. As we both think, why not punish him for crimes against his own team? At least play him on the bottom line and who knows, that may be the case. But Ylonen will be scratched as a result. Ylonen made a couple of good plays last night because of his speed. He carried the puck out once with two guys trying to catch him and not succeeding. Ylonen has great wheels, is a good passer, has a legitimate shot and has set up guys, so he sees the ice well. What's not to like? I haven't been able to watch him at the defensive end as the camera follows the puck too narrowly, but there are a lot of guys not playing well in their own end. You didn't see Anderson punished for puck watching and letting Guentzel get past him to score the tying goal. Marty has tunnel vision too. Now that's a topic for an entirely new thread. "Just how good a coach is Marty? Or is he only a good salesman instead?" Or is he stuck with stiffs he has to play because management can't trade them and won't buy them out... I expect management to be more proactive to remove the stiffs starting at this TDL and going forward |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 28, 2024 18:04:48 GMT -5
It's one thing to be stuck with stiffs and not having any options, and quite another to have other players you could use in their place but stubbornly refuse to. If Ylonen (for example) is not accepting being in a certain spot in certain situations, then put him further down the line, but no one can convince me he isn't better in any situation than Josh Anderson. That guy is a literal black hole on offense and a bomb on defense. He makes Ray Ferraro look like Bob Gainey.
I also suspect that Marty understands the plan and has had it explained to him thoroughly. Maybe that's the frustration. If he has been told he HAS to play Anderson and Gallagher, come hell or high water, then I take back all my criticism. Maybe it's a master plan to tank the seasons until the pipeline has what it needs. It would be nice to know that, but we can't be taken into confidence, of course. (Well, I can, but no one is telling me anything). I'm trained to keep secrets and I would, unless I'm tortured or offered an insane amount of money.
So the only excuse I'll accept for playing Anderson and Gallagher and not playing Ylonen and Xhekaj, is a stealth tank. Spill the beans, Kent. Just block the message from the players.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 11, 2024 12:25:24 GMT -5
Well, we're about to find out just how biased Player's Safety is. If Morgan Reilly doesn't get more than Gally for what really was a criminal assault with an intentional cross check to the face well after the play, then the league is a joke. Not excusing Gally at all - he deserved all 5 games (does anyone miss him?). But Reilly's was the unltimate goon show, a la Hunter/Turgeon. Predatory with no "hockey play", after the result of the game is no longer in doubt.
Let's see!
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 11, 2024 13:15:08 GMT -5
Well, we're about to find out just how biased Player's Safety is. If Morgan Reilly doesn't get more than Gally for what really was a criminal assault with an intentional cross check to the face well after the play, then the league is a joke. Not excusing Gally at all - he deserved all 5 games (does anyone miss him?). But Reilly's was the unltimate goon show, a la Hunter/Turgeon. Predatory with no "hockey play", after the result of the game is no longer in doubt. Let's see! He should only get a fine... it's his 1st offence |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 11, 2024 14:02:42 GMT -5
He will be well rested for the trade deadline...
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 11, 2024 14:15:39 GMT -5
I'd bet on a token/paltry 2 games for Rielly.
They're in a battle for 3rd/WC. Can't be without a 24+ min. #1D for 5 games, now can we...
Parros will likely mention Greig's provocation as a mitigating factor.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 11, 2024 15:07:53 GMT -5
I'd bet on a token/paltry 2 games for Rielly. They're in a battle for 3rd/WC. Can't be without a 24+ min. #1D for 5 games, now can we... Parros will likely mention Greig's provocation as a mitigating factor. Hope I'm wrong. As long as Parros mentions the high stick to Grieg that went uncalled just before. A frustrated player taking out his frustration at Toronto getting the calls by taking a slap shot |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 11, 2024 15:59:23 GMT -5
I'd bet on a token/paltry 2 games for Rielly. They're in a battle for 3rd/WC. Can't be without a 24+ min. #1D for 5 games, now can we... Parros will likely mention Greig's provocation as a mitigating factor. Hope I'm wrong. As long as Parros mentions the high stick to Grieg that went uncalled just before. A frustrated player taking out his frustration at Toronto getting the calls by taking a slap shot Right on....but that fact wouldn't fit the desired outcome--deeming it irrelevant.  I hope Parros gives him 5. |
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