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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2024 11:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2024 11:11:20 GMT -5
Jake Allen in 2004
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Post by Skilly on Mar 9, 2024 16:35:57 GMT -5
Next Season. But NJ also has to make the playoffs for us to get the second. I can't figure out what happens if he gets moved during next season, though... ---- Retention slots are weird, in that for expiring contracts, it's possible to get 3d party retention for a 5th or so, so if we're getting 2nd rounders for Dvorak or Savard, it's well worth the trouble. It's for a guy like Armia that it'll be more of a pain, if no slots are available in a year and he is playing well enough to be tradable. That being said, you can't keep slots in reserve forever, might as well use them and figure things out if another would've been useful to have. I suspect Hughes kept this slot for Savard until it was clear no one was going to meet his asking price, and then at 50% it was fairly easy to move Allen. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2024 17:16:17 GMT -5
I can't figure out what happens if he gets moved during next season, though... ---- Retention slots are weird, in that for expiring contracts, it's possible to get 3d party retention for a 5th or so, so if we're getting 2nd rounders for Dvorak or Savard, it's well worth the trouble. It's for a guy like Armia that it'll be more of a pain, if no slots are available in a year and he is playing well enough to be tradable. That being said, you can't keep slots in reserve forever, might as well use them and figure things out if another would've been useful to have. I suspect Hughes kept this slot for Savard until it was clear no one was going to meet his asking price, and then at 50% it was fairly easy to move Allen. Interesting, the Devils should be better next year |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 10, 2024 3:02:17 GMT -5
Interesting, the Devils should be better next year It’s like two guys trading ex-wives. Didn’t work out in previous situation and not a great bet for the next. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2024 9:21:03 GMT -5
Interesting, the Devils should be better next year It’s like two guys trading ex-wives. Didn’t work out in previous situation and not a great bet for the next. Trading exes... Sounds expensive... |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 10, 2024 12:28:38 GMT -5
The critical factor will be the 40 games played. Allen has only reached that number once in the last 5 years. Unless Allen is the starter, which seems unlikely, he ain't reaching 40. And therein lies the rub: if Allen is NJ's starter they ain't making the playoffs cause he ain't very good. However, I do like his chances of making the playoffs as he is likely to be traded by NJ to a contender at the deadline as he won't cost that much and he is a decent back up. So it is that 40 game mark which will be the tough one. What we need is NJ to have goalie issues (weak performances or injuries to the other NJ goalies) so Allen can amass some games. He gets traded to a playoff team in March and NJ finishes in the bottom 10 in the league. That would be a great return!
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 12:39:33 GMT -5
That 40 games to get a second is hopium Pablum for the children. Allen is not good enough to get them to the playoffs if he plays 40 games and he's unlikely to play 40 games without falling apart. A more likely condition was that I would meet an octogenarian supermodel and make mad love...  |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 10, 2024 12:44:31 GMT -5
That 40 games to get a second is hopium Pablum for the children. Allen is not good enough to get them to the playoffs if he plays 40 games and he's unlikely to play 40 games without falling apart. A more likely condition was that I would meet an octogenarian supermodel and make mad love... I was speaking to some of those supermodels and it was pretty clear to me that it will be a 3rd rounder for Allen.  |
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Post by folatre on Mar 10, 2024 12:48:54 GMT -5
Time will say. If Fitzgerald would not pay what was required for Markstrom a month ago, then I am not really seeing it the summer. And I believe Trotz's plan is to have Saros around for a couple of seasons as Askerov settles into the league. Ullmark won a Vezina and has insane good numbers over the entirety of his NHL career, so it is not as though the price tag on him will be any lower than the one Conroy hung on Markstrom. If New Jersey is going big game hunting, it is going to cost a lot -- first rounder or top prospect, complementary piece, and probably Allen.
I actually think Fitzgerald is high on both of their young guys. That kid Schmid will not be waiver exempt next season, so they may want him in New Jersey with Allen, while Daws works on the holes in his game down in the A.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 13:08:08 GMT -5
Everybody and their hamsters thinks that Askarov is going to be top tier starter...just like Knight.
Except Knight has a .897 SP in the AHL and making NHL money.
Either one or both are probably going to land up being better then Monty unless Monty has some hidden gear he hasn't displayed. I'm not holding my breadth for Primeau.
Knight is making 4.5 million and might be targetable while he is till having woes. A very late 1st just might do it.
Of course, all goalies are as predictable as racing donkeys. You don't know what you have until you have it and it performs.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 10, 2024 14:47:58 GMT -5
Everybody and their hamsters thinks that Askarov is going to be top tier starter...just like Knight. Except Knight has a .987 SP in the AHL and making NHL money. Either one or both are probably going to land up being better then Monty unless Monty has some hidden gear he hasn't displayed. I'm not holding my breadth for Primeau. Knight is making 4.5 million and might be targetable while he is till having woes. A very late 1st just might do it. Of course, all goalies are as predictable as racing donkeys. You don't know what you have until you have it and it performs. Goalies rarely go for high draft picks. I am having a hard time trying to remember when the last one was. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 10, 2024 17:48:17 GMT -5
Just to clarify, Spencer Knight's save % in the AHL is .897, not .987. Barely an average goalie after 37 AHL games. While I feel for the guy and I hope he eventually becomes the best he can be, I'd rather he was meh until after the 2025 season. We need Bobrovsky to revert to the broken Bobrovsky for that season and for Florida not to have any adequate back-up. It's step 1 of my plan, followed by injuries to Barkov and 3 of their defensemen.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 18:06:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed his low save percentage but didn't proof read my post. That is why I brought him up and that he "may" be available.
Like all goaltenders, we don't know how good they are until they face NHL shooters.
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Post by jkr on Mar 15, 2024 7:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Mar 15, 2024 8:47:53 GMT -5
Everybody and their hamsters thinks that Askarov is going to be top tier starter...just like Knight. Except Knight has a .987 SP in the AHL and making NHL money. Either one or both are probably going to land up being better then Monty unless Monty has some hidden gear he hasn't displayed. I'm not holding my breadth for Primeau. Knight is making 4.5 million and might be targetable while he is till having woes. A very late 1st just might do it. Of course, all goalies are as predictable as racing donkeys. You don't know what you have until you have it and it performs. Goalies rarely go for high draft picks. I am having a hard time trying to remember when the last one was. Probably Varlamov in 2011 who netted a first rounder and a second rounder Other notable goalies that got high draft picks included in their trade Lindback - two second rounders Bobrovsky - second rounder Bernier - second rounder Schneider - 9th overall pick Hasek - late first rounder Cujo - 2 first rounders |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 15, 2024 15:19:33 GMT -5
Goalies rarely go for high draft picks. I am having a hard time trying to remember when the last one was. Probably Varlamov in 2011 who netted a first rounder and a second rounder Other notable goalies that got high draft picks included in their trade Lindback - two second rounders Bobrovsky - second rounder Bernier - second rounder Schneider - 9th overall pick Hasek - late first rounder Cujo - 2 first rounders Glad to see you do the leg work. But it does prove a point that they don't go for first rounders. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 15, 2024 17:02:00 GMT -5
Probably Varlamov in 2011 who netted a first rounder and a second rounder Other notable goalies that got high draft picks included in their trade Lindback - two second rounders Bobrovsky - second rounder Bernier - second rounder Schneider - 9th overall pick Hasek - late first rounder Cujo - 2 first rounders Glad to see you do the leg work. But it does prove a point that they don't go for first rounders. Varlamov and Schneider did. The first rounder in the Varlamov trade turned into Filip Forsberg The first rounder in the Schneider trade turned into Bo Horvat |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 15, 2024 17:56:35 GMT -5
Jake played a good 1st game with the Devils
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 16, 2024 13:06:36 GMT -5
Glad to see you do the leg work. But it does prove a point that they don't go for first rounders. Varlamov and Schneider did. The first rounder in the Varlamov trade turned into Filip Forsberg The first rounder in the Schneider trade turned into Bo Horvat I don't consider something done 13 years ago as a recent trade. Goalies don't go for first rounders when teams are doing 60-40% tandems. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 16, 2024 15:15:48 GMT -5
That trade was lauded as a clear win for Lucky Lou.....and then time passed by and suddenly it was no longer a clear win. One could easily argue the Canucks ended up getting the better of that deal, having a solid centre for 8 years and then flipping him for a pick that allowed them to trade for Filip Hronek. Schneider, unfortunately, was injury plagued later in his career.
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 16, 2024 18:35:01 GMT -5
Jake played a good 1st game with the Devils And now he's back in the press box.. he's stuck in a 3 goalie system again with Daws and Kahkonen |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 17, 2024 17:04:24 GMT -5
Jake’s keeping the Devils in vs Vegas. Tied 1-1 halfway through the 3rd. They should have picked him up 2 months ago. 2-1 Vegas now.
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Post by folatre on Mar 18, 2024 17:51:29 GMT -5
Small sample size, granted. But there is no disputing Allen's two starts for New Jersey have been outstanding. Again, he may be meh or terrible over the last month of the season so this may not imply anything projecting into 2024-25. However, if Fitzgerald is too squeamish to pay a steep price for Markstrom or Saros then next season Allen could well be the vet in a tandem with Schmid or Daws.
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Post by PTH on Mar 18, 2024 18:24:46 GMT -5
Small sample size, granted. But there is no disputing Allen's two starts for New Jersey have been outstanding. Again, he may be meh or terrible over the last month of the season so this may not imply anything projecting into 2024-25. However, if Fitzgerald is too squeamish to pay a steep price for Markstrom or Saros then next season Allen could well be the vet in a tandem with Schmid or Daws. If so, those 40 games are far more likely to be within reach, making the pick a 2nd... (but past #50 at that point). |
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