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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 19, 2008 19:29:23 GMT -5
Those stats don't seem to promising. Maxwell's games played is just alarming how much time he lost to develop due to injury.
From what I hear from Trevor Timmons he seems pretty sure these guys will develop into NHL players.He seems rather high on Maxwell still.
Cepek I'm really not sure of. He played on some bad teams yet though up some O.K. plus/minus's
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Post by habmeister on Mar 19, 2008 20:18:04 GMT -5
i hear ya jazzy, i've been pretty good at projecting where/when and if whl players will make it to the show. unfortunately this season i only saw each of them once, and you can't scout anyone in just one game.
with ryan white you're getting a meat and potatoes type of player with very good vision, passing and anticipation. his point totals going down so much could be attributed to the hitmen having more scoring depth and spreading it out more. he didn't look any bigger, maxwell on the other hand looks like he put on some size since last season.
i'd say skill wise maxwell is a better prospect, but smarts and grinding wise i'd say maxwell is a better one.
i think maxwell can only make it as a top 2 line forward and white as a 3rd and 4th line two way player.
have heard thru my whl contact that white is known as a bit lazy, that may have been last year that i heard that though, but as you said jazzy when a player gets a year older he should have more of an impact. especially a player that works hard in the off-season to come back better, not sure if white did that as to me in that one game i saw he looked like the same player.
with maxwell and his injuries i'm not sure if it kept him from working hard in the off-season, but he looked strong on the ice, but he didn't have that "it" factor that i look for with 1 or 2 skills that really standout. despite skunk stating him winning a skating around the ice competition.
how did maxwell look at rookie camp last summer, i didn't see anything on him.
as always only time will tell!!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 20, 2008 8:47:47 GMT -5
I think the focus on Maxwell speaks as much to the Habs' lack of depth at the C position as anything else. Right now the organization is crying out for a pivot who can skate, has good vision, can facilitate the offense, creative, etc.
It's unfortunate he's lost so much time to injury - the kid just needs to stay healthy, but he should take this series as an opportunity to assert himself and impress the brass. He knows they'll be watching.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 21, 2008 0:56:46 GMT -5
End of regular season:
White - don't just look at stats, they gave the top scoring line to one way players like Galiardi and others and gave Ryan more important roles and less talented linemates. He was a big part of this team and wore the "A", and this is the top W team going into the playoffs after absolutely spanking the Ice twice in nothing games for the Hitmen. They rested Ryan for the last 30 minutes of the last game to keep him ready for the playoffs, according to a big article on him in the Calgary Herald. Don't be fooled by stats. Saw the kid live and on TV lots this season, he is a keeper. Not overly fast, but reliable and not fun to play against.
Maxwell - two seasons of stinky big time injuries. Saw him a month ago in Red Deer live and he can still skate and he looks bigger and stronger. Timmins said it was a freak calcium in the thigh injury and he worked on his strength in the gym while off the ice. He can still skate, and is so fluid in his stride and still has good hockey sense. That is a lot of lost hockey games since being drafted, so not sure if the hockey sense and development is fully there yet. Get ye to Hamilton, young man.
Cepek - saw him live the most of the bunch, and he got a lot better as the season went on. He should get an AHL contract as a result in my opinion. He got the oil Kings Dman of the year award, but likely will fall short of the bigger and brighter talent we have coming up on D. Still way to skinny, but the kid brings it every night. Don't think he has the upside of the rest of our D picks or will ever make "the show", but I sure like what he brings to the rink every night. 7th round pick (last round that year), so we cannot expect NHL game breaker (unlike the astute Sergei 7th round pick the year before!!).
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Post by habmeister on Mar 22, 2008 0:57:19 GMT -5
Ryan White won his first game tonight 1G 1A and 3rd star of the game
Series: Hitmen 1 Moose Jaw 0
Ben Maxwell also won his first game tonight 2G (1EN) 0A
Series: Ice 1 The Hat 0
looks like the bulldogs aren't going to make the playoffs so i'm hoping for a long ride for these two and one of them to meet my Giants in the WHL championship so i can watch them in the finals!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 22, 2008 2:28:14 GMT -5
Ryan White won his first game tonight 1G 1A and 3rd star of the game Series: Hitmen 1 Moose Jaw 0 Ben Maxwell also won his first game tonight 2G (1EN) 0A Series: Ice 1 The Hat 0 looks like the bulldogs aren't going to make the playoffs so i'm hoping for a long ride for these two and one of them to meet my Giants in the WHL championship so i can watch them in the finals! The Calgary Moose Jaw series is a lot closer than it looks on paper. Glad to see the Hitmen dominate the first game and send a big message. They totally demolished Kootenay in the last two games of the regular season, so they are back. From top to bottom, they are solid and if they can keep playing well should be headed to K-W in May. The Kootenay series is an absolute toss up. Good to see Ben and the boys get first blood. |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 22, 2008 3:32:44 GMT -5
Ryan White won his first game tonight 1G 1A and 3rd star of the game Series: Hitmen 1 Moose Jaw 0 Ben Maxwell also won his first game tonight 2G (1EN) 0A Series: Ice 1 The Hat 0 looks like the bulldogs aren't going to make the playoffs so i'm hoping for a long ride for these two and one of them to meet my Giants in the WHL championship so i can watch them in the finals! The Calgary Moose Jaw series is a lot closer than it looks on paper. Glad to see the Hitmen dominate the first game and send a big message. They totally demolished Kootenay in the last two games of the regular season, so they are back. From top to bottom, they are solid and if they can keep playing well should be headed to K-W in May. The Kootenay series is an absolute toss up. Good to see Ben and the boys get first blood. whoa whoa whoa don't count your chickens there fella, there are 3-4 very good teams out west here that will have something to say bout that! ;D the giants in game 1 tonight might have played the most intense game of the year for them. but the best team i've seen this year in person was tri city americans. the east is tough but i agree calgary is the favourite. the 2nd round could feature the giants vs spokane, two of the top 3 teams in the LEAGUE in points! lethbridge looked very good when they were here as well. gotta love the dub playoffs! |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 22, 2008 13:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by habmeister on Mar 24, 2008 17:21:46 GMT -5
Ben Maxwell's Kootenay Ice take a commanding 2-0 lead by stealing two games in probably the toughest building to win in medicine hat. my whl source said that he's been playing great the last 2-3 weeks and has been carrying the team. 3G 1A +4 in 2 games
Ryan White's Calgary Hitmen are tied at 1-1. Ryan has 1G 2A +1 in 2 games
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 24, 2008 22:25:05 GMT -5
Ben Maxwell's Kootenay Ice take a commanding 2-0 lead by stealing two games in probably the toughest building to win in medicine hat. my whl source said that he's been playing great the last 2-3 weeks and has been carrying the team. 3G 1A +4 in 2 games Ryan White's Calgary Hitmen are tied at 1-1. Ryan has 1G 2A +1 in 2 games Taking the first two games in the Hat is an incredible accomplishment, for any team, as that old barn is always sold out and it rocks. Let's hope they can keep it going now they are headed back to Cranbrook. |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 26, 2008 14:37:32 GMT -5
Ben's Ice take game 3 to take a commanding lead in the series 3-0
3G 1A in 3 games.
Ryan's Hitmen take game 3 to go up 2-1 in the series. Hitmen have 15 goals through 3 games and Ryan only has 1G 2A.
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Post by habmeister on Mar 27, 2008 12:18:01 GMT -5
Ryan White's Hitmen take a commanding 3-1 lead in the series
Ben Maxwell's Ice lose game 4 but still lead the series 3-1
Ryan White 1G 2A +1
Ben Maxwell 4G 2A +5
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2008 18:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by habmeister on Mar 27, 2008 19:03:25 GMT -5
yeah seventeen word is that he's been playing excellent the last month and carrying the team somewhat. good to see, would like to be able to see him live or on tv to see it for myself.
as long as the ice or hitmen are in the final hopefully against the giants i'll get to see either of them first hand. i'm more intrigued by maxwell of course because of his superior skill to white.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 28, 2008 18:03:43 GMT -5
Thanks for keeping us up to date!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to hear Maxwell finally making an impact after his another injury filled season. |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 28, 2008 22:38:08 GMT -5
Ben Maxwell and the Kootenay Ice knock off the defending WHL champ Medicine Hat Tigers 4 games to 1.
Ryan White's Calgary Hitmen outshoot the Moose Jaw Warriors 46-24, but still lose 4-2 tonight to drop game 5 and the series is now Cgy 3 MJ 2 with game 6 going back to Moose Jaw.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 29, 2008 13:25:59 GMT -5
yeah seventeen word is that he's been playing excellent the last month and carrying the team somewhat. good to see, would like to be able to see him live or on tv to see it for myself. as long as the ice or hitmen are in the final hopefully against the giants i'll get to see either of them first hand. i'm more intrigued by maxwell of course because of his superior skill to white. Yeah the drive from Vancouver to Washington state is not far!!  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 29, 2008 13:50:58 GMT -5
Ben Maxwell and the Kootenay Ice knock off the defending WHL champ Medicine Hat Tigers 4 games to 1. Ryan White's Calgary Hitmen outshoot the Moose Jaw Warriors 46-24, but still lose 4-2 tonight to drop game 5 and the series is now Cgy 3 MJ 2 with game 6 going back to Moose Jaw. Winning all those games in the Hat was huge for the Ice. Nice run so far. Hot goaltending and timely goal scoring, nice combo. |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 29, 2008 14:58:43 GMT -5
yeah seventeen word is that he's been playing excellent the last month and carrying the team somewhat. good to see, would like to be able to see him live or on tv to see it for myself. as long as the ice or hitmen are in the final hopefully against the giants i'll get to see either of them first hand. i'm more intrigued by maxwell of course because of his superior skill to white. Yeah the drive from Vancouver to Washington state is not far!! i won't be making a drive to washington state to watch the finals. definetly not to spokane or tri cities, those are long jaunts, if seattle pulls off the unlikely maybe for a game 7. but you can bet that whomever knocks off the giants won't have an easy time of it. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 4, 2008 16:04:03 GMT -5
Ryan White's Calgary Hitmen will be broadcast on shaw tv for those that have it. i'm hoping that means in BC as well as i'd love to watch that series.
the best 2nd round matchup is the giants vs chiefs though. had the 2nd and 3rd most points in the WHL this year and they meet in the 2nd round!
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Post by seventeen on Apr 5, 2008 0:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 5, 2008 11:56:50 GMT -5
Whitey had no points in a tough fought 3-2 loss in Swift Current last night. The Hitmen scored twice in the first 7 minutes and totally controlled the game in the first. They then got into some penalty trouble, heading to the sin bin 5 times in the 2nd and gave all the momentum to the Broncos since their top players were penalty killing not scoring goals. Whitey played a lot, taking big faceoffs and lots of PK time. He was even on the ice for the last ditch flurry where they just came up short.
Both Hitmen goals came from the blueline as Alzner had both. Their high flying forwards were shooting blanks last night, and their top line of Galiardi and friends just did not have it until the last two minutes. Expect a much better effort tonight. White looked pretty good in the role he was playing all night. No points but lots of good things in his game.
The Hitmen had to play the first two on the road because the Junos are in Calgary this weekend, so the big barn is busy. They will finally get home next week and get three in a row in their rink. They need to get a split in the first two to not dig too deep a hole going home though.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2008 0:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by habmeister on Apr 6, 2008 2:02:29 GMT -5
great to see guys, i've been watching it on shaw and following on the whl site. maxwell looks to really have stepped up a lot more than white.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2008 12:28:38 GMT -5
Kids sure progress at different rates. For most of this year, White seemed to have improved more than Maxwell and I was beginning to wonder about Maxwell's eventual potential. Then you get a turnaround (perhaps Ben's injuries finally healed properly, or he received a wake-up call) and now he's taken that next step we like to see. It's good to see Timmins and Co's emphasis on leadership really being proven.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 6, 2008 13:47:28 GMT -5
i don't think its as much that 17, maxwell always had more talent and skill and his injuries for sure slowed down his progression. white is more of a meat and potatoes type of player that would make it as a two way guy, whereas maxwell has that top 2 line potential. great problems to have for the habs, looking forward to next rookie and training camp already to see if these two can crack the bulldogs. injuries have been a big problem for maxwell and hopefully he can stay healthy and continue to improve as his curve is a lot better than white.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2008 23:55:21 GMT -5
i don't think its as much that 17, maxwell always had more talent and skill and his injuries for sure slowed down his progression. white is more of a meat and potatoes type of player that would make it as a two way guy, whereas maxwell has that top 2 line potential. great problems to have for the habs, looking forward to next rookie and training camp already to see if these two can crack the bulldogs. injuries have been a big problem for maxwell and hopefully he can stay healthy and continue to improve as his curve is a lot better than white. Two different players for sure. I didn't mean to suggest I was comparing the two against each other. If White makes it, it will be as a 3rd/4th line centre who defends well and scores 20 a year, hopefully. I was comparing each player to their top end potential. Earlier this year, Maxwell didn't look like he was going to be able to become that 30 goal 40 assist player (or better) we'd like him to be. In these last few weeks, that possibility has gotten stronger again. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 7, 2008 1:12:45 GMT -5
i don't think its as much that 17, maxwell always had more talent and skill and his injuries for sure slowed down his progression. white is more of a meat and potatoes type of player that would make it as a two way guy, whereas maxwell has that top 2 line potential. great problems to have for the habs, looking forward to next rookie and training camp already to see if these two can crack the bulldogs. injuries have been a big problem for maxwell and hopefully he can stay healthy and continue to improve as his curve is a lot better than white. Two different players for sure. I didn't mean to suggest I was comparing the two against each other. If White makes it, it will be as a 3rd/4th line centre who defends well and scores 20 a year, hopefully. I was comparing each player to their top end potential. Earlier this year, Maxwell didn't look like he was going to be able to become that 30 goal 40 assist player (or better) we'd like him to be. In these last few weeks, that possibility has gotten stronger again. in my opinion white will never score 20 in the show, at his peak i'd say 10-12 goals. as far as maxwell goes i'd say he'd be more of a playmaker type, but i'm not seeing amazing vision that would make him a 30-40 assist guy in the show, but time will tell and let's see if he can improve. he actually has a very hard shot from the point on the pp, so i don't think you can pigeonhole him as a playmaker only. neither of them overly impressed me this season, but a lot of players are stifled when they visit the giants, so i try to just watch their skill alone and not their output. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 9, 2008 0:08:08 GMT -5
it's all about timing sometimes. just got home from doing playoff pool and went on whl.ca website and saw the calgary vs swift current game was in double ot.
tuned in with 5 minutes remaining in the 2nd OT and with less than a minute left ryan white came over the blue line with the puck with three d-men between him and the goaltender, did a little flip, had his head down and fired a hard wrist shot from above the faceoff circle top corner right over the goalies glovehand for the double ot winner!
white with a goal and 3 assists, and they havent' announced it yet but i'm sure will get the first star.
hitmen outshot broncos 62-37
announcers dan russell and bill wilms saying it was one of the best whl games they've seen. hope one of you got to see the whole thing.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 9, 2008 0:10:39 GMT -5
Lethbrige won 5-2 to take a 2-1 series lead. Ben held pointless tonight.
It was a different story in the Saddledome in a marathon tonight that just finished after a few ticks shy of 5 periods. At 19:08 of the second OT, Ryan White caused a turnover in the neutral zone and skated in against a pile of Broncos, made a little east-west move to open up some ice and fired the game winner from 20 feet out. Nice addition to his 3 helpers on the night in the big 6-5 2OT win to take a 2-1 series lead. He should have won it in the first OT but his shot into the open cage was deflected just wide off a defenceman's stick blade with the goalie hung out to dry. What a game for orange haired Whitey.
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