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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 25, 2024 15:22:32 GMT -5
Today it was announced that he was going into the HOF in November. I think he is worthy, but not first ballot. Either way, congrats Shea! The Hockey Hall of Fame announced its class of 2024 on Tuesday. Natalie Darwitz, Krissy Wendell-Pohl, Pavel Datsyuk, Jeremy Roenick and Shea Weber were named to the player category. NHL executive and former New York Rangers coach Colin Campbell and ex-Washington Capitals and Nashville Predators GM David Poile were selected in the builder category. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/hockey-hall-of-fame-welcomes-seven-new-members-in-class-of-2024/
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2024 17:17:15 GMT -5
What did Campbell ever build in the NHL? Helps to have connections.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 25, 2024 17:52:29 GMT -5
What did Campbell ever build in the NHL? Helps to have connections. He helped his son and the Bruins win a cup... he deserves to be in the hall of shame.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 26, 2024 0:53:55 GMT -5
This selection is getting some grief on the whimpernet. I think he is worthy. Has decent numbers and was a great dman - scared the heck out of opponents with good clean physicality. And he was a greater leader, including wearing the 'A' for numerous Team Canada champions. Wonder which team he'll go in as? I susepct he'll go in as a Pred but if he smarts he'll go in as a Hab as a few decades from now people will be saying "I didn't know Nashville ever had a NHL team" Then again maybe he'll go in as a Utah player
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2024 6:59:30 GMT -5
This selection is getting some grief on the whimpernet. I think he is worthy. Has decent numbers and was a great dman - scared the heck out of opponents with good clean physicality. And he was a greater leader, including wearing the 'A' for numerous Team Canada champions. Wonder which team he'll go in as? I susepct he'll go in as a Pred but if he smarts he'll go in as a Hab as a few decades from now people will be saying "I didn't know Nashville ever had a NHL team" Then again maybe he'll go in as a Utah player He'll go in as a pred, he goes to preds functions after he went on ltir, don't think he went to any habs things after he went on ltir
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 26, 2024 7:40:10 GMT -5
This selection is getting some grief on the whimpernet. I think he is worthy. Has decent numbers and was a great dman - scared the heck out of opponents with good clean physicality. And he was a greater leader, including wearing the 'A' for numerous Team Canada champions. Wonder which team he'll go in as? I susepct he'll go in as a Pred but if he smarts he'll go in as a Hab as a few decades from now people will be saying "I didn't know Nashville ever had a NHL team" Then again maybe he'll go in as a Utah player He'll go in as a pred, he goes to preds functions after he went on ltir, don't think he went to any habs things after he went on ltir There is no going in representing a team like in baseball. It is just a facial portrait at the HOF with a brief write up on the player and his career.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2024 7:47:25 GMT -5
He'll go in as a pred, he goes to preds functions after he went on ltir, don't think he went to any habs things after he went on ltir There is no going in representing a team like in baseball. It is just a facial portrait at the HOF with a brief write up on the player and his career. Ahhh i didn't know that, never been to the hhof... they were supposed to put it in ottawa at the old train station near parliament but they decided to put it in Toronto so leafers could see the cup
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 26, 2024 7:49:39 GMT -5
As for him going in, no real issues with it. Do I think others should go in first? Maybe? Also not thrilled with the woman's picks, specifically Wendell-Pohl. I know the pool is limited and they want to have representation, but I'm thinking there are still better options out there. Maybe limit it to 1 female a year from someone who played in the NWHL, WWHL, CWHL, PHF? I think the PWHL will become the turning point in womans hockey, and will eventually become the standard place that people will be selected from in 20 years time.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 26, 2024 9:41:09 GMT -5
I love Shea, but I didn't see him as a first ballot. He never won a Norris or a cup. So....would PK be a first ballot inductie as well? At least he won a Norris....asking for a friend.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2024 11:01:26 GMT -5
It is no longer a Hall of Fame
It is a Hall of Popularity.
If always said that the Hall should be based on career milestone like they do in Women’s Golf, to make it truly a Hall of the best of the best.
Then you can have your voted on category with only one person getting voted in each year based on something noteworthy in their career (international play as an example)
I still struggle with the automatic woman selection every year when it is still a 2 team sport. Build the PWHL up and then maybe. But right now it’s just putting every player from Team Canada and Team USA from the last 10 years in the hall
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2024 19:16:44 GMT -5
Somehow, I can't find it in me to think of Weber as a Hab. Am I a bad person?
In fact, I think that's true of Weber. I don't think he ever truly felt like a Hab. It was a mistake for Bergevin to make that trade and completely selfish on his part. It was all about Bergevin. Since he was forced into that contract with PK by Molson (who understood the connection between Subban and the fans) he was going to make sure Subban never got that NMC.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2024 19:59:09 GMT -5
Somehow, I can't find it in me to think of Weber as a Hab. Am I a bad person? In fact, I think that's true of Weber. I don't think he ever truly felt like a Hab. It was a mistake for Bergevin to make that trade and completely selfish on his part. It was all about Bergevin. Since he was forced into that contract with PK by Molson (who understood the connection between Subban and the fans) he was going to make sure Subban never got that NMC. ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ^^^^^^^ T H I S
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2024 21:07:47 GMT -5
If the standards are evolving, so be it. I love Guy Carbonneau (and I consoled my son when he was given #21 when he started playing Mite hockey quite a few year ago by telling him a great skater with skill who sacrificed individual stats in Montreal for the good of the team distinguished that number) but I was surprised when Carbo got the call.
Likewise, I was not thinking Weber would necessarily make it, and even less so on the first ballot. He was a great defensive d-man who scored a lot of power play goals with the astounding slapper he possessed in the era of bombing from the point. Good for him, it is not at all undeserved.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2024 0:38:25 GMT -5
If the standards are evolving, so be it. I love Guy Carbonneau (and I consoled my son when he was given #21 when he started playing Mite hockey quite a few year ago by telling him a great skater with skill who sacrificed individual stats in Montreal for the good of the team distinguished that number) but I was surprised when Carbo got the call. Likewise, I was not thinking Weber would necessarily make it, and even less so on the first ballot. He was a great defensive d-man who scored a lot of power play goals with the astounding slapper he possessed in the era of bombing from the point. Good for him, it is not at all undeserved. But it's no wonder they call it the Hall of Very Good.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2024 14:27:39 GMT -5
If the standards are evolving, so be it. I love Guy Carbonneau (and I consoled my son when he was given #21 when he started playing Mite hockey quite a few year ago by telling him a great skater with skill who sacrificed individual stats in Montreal for the good of the team distinguished that number) but I was surprised when Carbo got the call. Likewise, I was not thinking Weber would necessarily make it, and even less so on the first ballot. He was a great defensive d-man who scored a lot of power play goals with the astounding slapper he possessed in the era of bombing from the point. Good for him, it is not at all undeserved. I got to disagree This was the most undeserving class in quite some time. Weber has no cups, 1 Messier trophy, 2 first team all star selections, and 2 second team all star selections Roenick has no cups, no individual trophies, no first team all star selections and no second team all star selections Colin Campbell rigged the 2011 playoffs with poor supplemental discipline decisions to get his sons name on the Cup Then you have the curious case of Alexander Mogilny who has a cup, has a Lady Byng, has 2 second team all stars, quite literally changed how teams draft with his defection AND has over a PPG in his career. Why isn’t he in the Hall yet? This is just one example. But I could rattle off many more examples of players more deserving than who was picked this year
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 27, 2024 15:39:17 GMT -5
If the standards are evolving, so be it. I love Guy Carbonneau (and I consoled my son when he was given #21 when he started playing Mite hockey quite a few year ago by telling him a great skater with skill who sacrificed individual stats in Montreal for the good of the team distinguished that number) but I was surprised when Carbo got the call. Likewise, I was not thinking Weber would necessarily make it, and even less so on the first ballot. He was a great defensive d-man who scored a lot of power play goals with the astounding slapper he possessed in the era of bombing from the point. Good for him, it is not at all undeserved. I got to disagree This was the most undeserving class in quite some time. Weber has no cups, 1 Messier trophy, 2 first team all star selections, and 2 second team all star selections Roenick has no cups, no individual trophies, no first team all star selections and no second team all star selections Colin Campbell rigged the 2011 playoffs with poor supplemental discipline decisions to get his sons name on the Cup Then you have the curious case of Alexander Mogilny who has a cup, has a Lady Byng, has 2 second team all stars, quite literally changed how teams draft with his defection AND has over a PPG in his career. Why isn’t he in the Hall yet? This is just one example. But I could rattle off many more examples of players more deserving than who was picked this year Agreed. What's your thoughts on Curtis Joesph, Chris Osgood, Datsyuk, Zetteberg, Miller, Renne?
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 28, 2024 15:20:34 GMT -5
Always have my fingers crossed that somebody in the Hall process can do the math on Claude Provost.
Very comparable career/numbers to Gainey's. But there was no award for top defensive forward in Provost's day.
9 Cups should be enough...as everyone else with 8 or more is in the Hall.
Several Selke Trophies would've resulted in first-ballot induction.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 28, 2024 17:53:25 GMT -5
I got to disagree This was the most undeserving class in quite some time. Weber has no cups, 1 Messier trophy, 2 first team all star selections, and 2 second team all star selections Roenick has no cups, no individual trophies, no first team all star selections and no second team all star selections Colin Campbell rigged the 2011 playoffs with poor supplemental discipline decisions to get his sons name on the Cup Then you have the curious case of Alexander Mogilny who has a cup, has a Lady Byng, has 2 second team all stars, quite literally changed how teams draft with his defection AND has over a PPG in his career. Why isn’t he in the Hall yet? This is just one example. But I could rattle off many more examples of players more deserving than who was picked this year Agreed. What's your thoughts on Curtis Joesph, Chris Osgood, Datsyuk, Zetteberg, Miller, Renne? I’m not sure any of those players deserve to be in the HOF, based on a being considered elite. But the problem with the Hall is they have people vote on it and every year now you are going to see good players get voted in based on just wanting to fill the hall up and not being the best of their eras. Datsyuk is getting in based on his 2 Cups, and his 4 Lady Byngs and 3 Selkes. I’d argue it was Datsyuk that brought out the change in the Selke to where you now have to be a goal scorer to win it. So I don’t have a real issue with Datsyuk, he changed the game even though I don’t agree with it. If they kept the Selke to where the Kris Drapers were winning it, I doubt Datsyuk gets in the Hall The fact Datsyuk is in, means Zetterberg is going to get in. Zetterberg is a Cup winner and Conn Smythe winner. The goalies are another story. I’m on record stating that Carey Price will get in the HOF but I don’t think he deserves it, nor do I think he should be a first ballot inductee - but he is likely gonna be Everyone one of the goalies you named have better claim than Carey Price to a Hall induction. You can also add to the list Jonathan Quick and Tukka Rask. But Price will get in before them all. The instant Price stops taking money to sit on his arse at home, he will get inducted because he never played in 3 years. Price will be eligible in 2025 So based on Price going in. The others should get in too. Doesn’t make it right, but that’s how they vote now.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2024 10:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 29, 2024 11:21:54 GMT -5
Good article altho not surprising. It was not like Shea to simply abandon his team. Sounds like he was dealing with depression trying to come to terms with life as he knew it being completely turned upside down. Hw was competitive and always did everything to win. It must have been a kick in the gut to be told "It's over". I remember him cryng and all his teammates consoling him after the Cup final loss to TB. I knew then something was wrong.
I loved PK and was really upset with the trade but in hindsight i think it was a good trade as PK's best years were in Mtl. I think being traded was a kick in the gut to him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2024 11:54:53 GMT -5
Good article altho not surprising. It was not like Shea to simply abandon his team. Sounds like he was dealing with depression trying to come to terms with life as he knew it being completely turned upside down. Hw was competitive and always did everything to win. It must have been a kick in the gut to be told "It's over". I remember him cryng and all his teammates consoling him after the Cup final loss to TB. I knew then something was wrong. I loved PK and was really upset with the trade but in hindsight i think it was a good trade as PK's best years were in Mtl. I think being traded was a kick in the gut to him. They both got kicks to the gut because they both loved the teams they were on... and they were both never really the same after the trade imo.
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