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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 31, 2024 8:32:01 GMT -5
A nice tidy bit of business. Kicks in after this season, so 7 more years under contract.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 31, 2024 8:40:25 GMT -5
Good job Kent... great to have him locked up long term
With guys coming off the books along with retained salary and cap going up, 5.5 for a top 2 d man is peanuts
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 31, 2024 9:47:55 GMT -5
I don't know what special powers Kent Hughes has, but man he is knocking it out of the park with these deals he has negotiated.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 31, 2024 10:27:56 GMT -5
I don't know what special powers Kent Hughes has, but man he is knocking it out of the park with these deals he has negotiated. You are also dealing with players who get it and understand that there has to be a group mentality towards a common goal which is a stanley cup and that is only achievable if the team has the cap space to make that possible otherwise you end up like the Leafs. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 31, 2024 11:07:48 GMT -5
Pretty good contract management summer for Hughes. He got his two RFAs for this summer dealt with and he also got his two most important RFAs for next summer (Slaf and Guhle) all wrapped up too. Management definitely have some roster and cap certainty now if they are still in the mix for a potential trade for a young forward or even to take on some bad contract brokering for another team in a jam with the cap.
And better yet: all those bad deals signed on July 1st were avoided. Not one seemed of good value to the Habs as they currently stand in their rebuild.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 31, 2024 12:21:05 GMT -5
Wow! Well done Hugo! Guhle may not have the offensive potential of our other young dmen but he will be the leader, Peitrongelo type. i wonder if HuGo is telling these guys "Here's our plan and timeline, and salary cap matters. You're welcome to be a part of it at this rate if you want". Not quite the same as "first come, first served".  Speaking of MB, how does this contract compare to Alzner's 5 years at $4.6 million  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 31, 2024 12:27:52 GMT -5
Wow! Well done Hugo! Guhle may not have the offensive potential of our other young dmen but he will be the leader, Peitrongelo type. i wonder if HuGo is telling these guys "Here's our plan and timeline, and salary cap matters. You're welcome to be a part of it at this rate if you want". Not quite the same as "first come, first served". Speaking of MB, how does this contract compare to Alzner's 5 years at $4.6 million Times change and inflation is constant. Is Guhle worth that much more than Jackeye? Good signing. |
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Post by Polarice on Jul 31, 2024 12:35:50 GMT -5
5.5 for 6 years is probably a steal for someone who is probably be in the first pairing for those 6 years. Great signing.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 31, 2024 12:38:44 GMT -5
Wow! Well done Hugo! Guhle may not have the offensive potential of our other young dmen but he will be the leader, Peitrongelo type. i wonder if HuGo is telling these guys "Here's our plan and timeline, and salary cap matters. You're welcome to be a part of it at this rate if you want". Not quite the same as "first come, first served". Speaking of MB, how does this contract compare to Alzner's 5 years at $4.6 million Times change and inflation is constant. Is Guhle worth that much more than Jackeye? Good signing. If Arber didn't hurt both shoulders he would have got more term but he has to show he's not injury prone imo... Barron's contract is a show me you can hang with the high level prospects we have deal. Guhle is a top 2 D man... whether he is kept on the right side or mooves back to the left (I hope) and is paired with either Canada Post or Orville |
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Post by folatre on Jul 31, 2024 13:23:34 GMT -5
I said earlier in the summer that I was hoping for 6 years/$30 million, but nevertheless this is a fair deal. Considering Guhle is not going to be picking up cookies on the power play, he probably never going to be a guy regularly getting 40+ points. And, yes, there are concerns about his durability. But he is top four even on good teams, plays hard, and leads by example.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 31, 2024 13:47:43 GMT -5
Vlasic got 4.6 but Guhle is better and has more ceiling.
Is there a better management team in hockey than HuGo ? There are no pending concerns that are forcing them into a move. Chevy, what you want for McGroarty is too much. See ya. Verbeek, what you’re asking for Zegras is too much. See ya later. The best negotiators have the ability to walk away and the other side knows it. HuGo are in that position.
I think Hughes has gotten the kids to believe in the dream, so these contracts are generally team friendly. There will be some tough choices after they actually win the Cup, of course. Players then think of themselves more, unless they love the group they’re with.
But until then, let’s enjoy the ride with an excellent pilot and copilot.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 31, 2024 17:29:09 GMT -5
Our entire D corps combined only makes 500k more than Matthews this year
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Post by folatre on Jul 31, 2024 17:37:10 GMT -5
I bet a team-first, top-four defensive blueliner like Ryan Lindgren feels some degree of bitterness when he sees kids like Vlasic, Samuelsson, and Guhle making much better money coming off their ELC than he ever did. I am not saying Guhle is not a better all-around d-man than Lindgren because I think he is provided he stays relatively healthy. But, man, a guy like Lindgren has played big hard minutes for many seasons as Fox's pair and the best contract he ever signed was last week for 1 year/$4.5 million.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 1, 2024 16:51:58 GMT -5
I love Guhle.
There is a rumour that the Guhle camp was t wanted and ready to sign an 8x8. Problem is that he's not worth 8x8 from what he has shown so far.
He's a top 15 in the NHL defensively but somewhere in the top 50 offensively. I was dreaming that he was Weber v2, but now I see him more of a defensive dynamo that is going to complement players like Mailman or possibly Rein.
He's young, he may still adjust his spots and become a 15-20 and 50-60 monster. The smarter play was to wait two years and see if that beast would surface, but I'm not so sure it's there.
Did I mention I love Guhle?
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 1, 2024 18:55:34 GMT -5
I love Guhle. There is a rumour that the Guhle camp was t wanted and ready to sign an 8x8. Problem is that he's not worth 8x8 from what he has shown so far. He's a top 15 in the NHL defensively but somewhere in the top 50 offensively. I was dreaming that he was Weber v2, but now I see him more of a defensive dynamo that is going to complement players like Mailman or possibly Rein. He's young, he may still adjust his spots and become a 15-20 and 50-60 monster. The smarter play was to wait two years and see if that beast would surface, but I'm not so sure it's there. Did I mention I love Guhle? A modern day McDonaugh? |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 1, 2024 18:56:56 GMT -5
I love Guhle. There is a rumour that the Guhle camp was t wanted and ready to sign an 8x8. Problem is that he's not worth 8x8 from what he has shown so far. He's a top 15 in the NHL defensively but somewhere in the top 50 offensively. I was dreaming that he was Weber v2, but now I see him more of a defensive dynamo that is going to complement players like Mailman or possibly Rein. He's young, he may still adjust his spots and become a 15-20 and 50-60 monster. The smarter play was to wait two years and see if that beast would surface, but I'm not so sure it's there. Did I mention I love Guhle? A modern day McDonaugh? Better scorer. Probably as good defensively, IMO. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 2, 2024 13:05:48 GMT -5
I don't want to underpay him but also not overpay him.
Right now he's showing a better McDonough rather then a Chelios or Josi. Does he have the offensive vision? I honestly don't know. If he did it would flash through even as a baby sitter to Matheson.
If he backs Hutson then he better have more then what he is showing right now because simply holding the fort is far from good enough. Hutson will force him to play offense otherwise he'll be wasting Hutsons talents.
This is where waiting two years would either benefit him...or leave him with the same contract. But NOT worse.
Once again this entire thing points to brainless decisions by is agent. Worse is to sign then spout regret.
Is BargainBin half wit thinking a thing in the NHL?
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 2, 2024 13:25:54 GMT -5
I don't want to underpay him but also not overpay him. Right now he's showing a better McDonough rather then a Chelios or Josi. Does he have the offensive vision? I honestly don't know. If he did it would flash through even as a baby sitter to Matheson. If he backs Hutson then he better have more then what he is showing right now because simply holding the fort is far from good enough. Hutson will force him to play offense otherwise he'll be wasting Hutsons talents. This is where waiting two years would either benefit him...or leave him with the same contract. But NOT worse. Once again this entire thing points to brainless decisions by is agent. Worse is to sign then spout regret. Is BargainBin half wit thinking a thing in the NHL? Maybe he wanted financial security, maybe he just wants to be in Montreal... wouldn't that be nice, players that want to be here? |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 2, 2024 13:33:46 GMT -5
I don't want to underpay him but also not overpay him. Right now he's showing a better McDonough rather then a Chelios or Josi. Does he have the offensive vision? I honestly don't know. If he did it would flash through even as a baby sitter to Matheson. If he backs Hutson then he better have more then what he is showing right now because simply holding the fort is far from good enough. Hutson will force him to play offense otherwise he'll be wasting Hutsons talents. This is where waiting two years would either benefit him...or leave him with the same contract. But NOT worse. Once again this entire thing points to brainless decisions by is agent. Worse is to sign then spout regret. Is BargainBin half wit thinking a thing in the NHL? Maybe he wanted financial security, maybe he just wants to be in Montreal... wouldn't that be nice, players that want to be here? Then why spout about not getting an 8 year contract? If I'm Guhle and my agent went rogue, i would fire him. But then, i would have to assume that a 22 year old is 360 degree thinking. Or Guhle is venting AFTER he signs. We don't know. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 2, 2024 14:12:58 GMT -5
Maybe he wanted financial security, maybe he just wants to be in Montreal... wouldn't that be nice, players that want to be here? Then why spout about not getting an 8 year contract? If I'm Guhle and my agent went rogue, i would fire him. But then, i would have to assume that a 22 year old is 360 degree thinking. Or Guhle is venting AFTER he signs. We don't know. The 8 year was a rumour... I hadn't heard that, haven't seen it anywhere Here's an interesting article giving 4 reasons why the contract was 6 years and not 8 dose.ca/2024/07/31/four-reasons-why-kaiden-guhle-signed-a-six-year-contract/ |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 2, 2024 16:31:16 GMT -5
I like Guhle. A lot
But he is not top 15 defensively in the league and barely a top 100 guy offensively. He was 94th in the league last year.
Does he have that potential? Sure. But he also has Komisarek potential too. We really only have 1 year to go by.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 2, 2024 18:38:47 GMT -5
I don't want to underpay him but also not overpay him. Right now he's showing a better McDonough rather then a Chelios or Josi. Does he have the offensive vision? I honestly don't know. If he did it would flash through even as a baby sitter to Matheson. If he backs Hutson then he better have more then what he is showing right now because simply holding the fort is far from good enough. Hutson will force him to play offense otherwise he'll be wasting Hutsons talents. This is where waiting two years would either benefit him...or leave him with the same contract. But NOT worse. Once again this entire thing points to brainless decisions by is agent. Worse is to sign then spout regret. Is BargainBin half wit thinking a thing in the NHL? Maybe he wanted financial security, maybe he just wants to be in Montreal... wouldn't that be nice, players that want to be here? I think that is playing a big role. HuGo are building a team of character players who all get along and like each other. They are a TEAM and players can be willing to bend in some areas in order to keep that group together. I've heard a couple of players quote that other players called them and hoped they could stay together. Hughes has his employees lobbying for him. That's not manipulation, though. All these guys are doing well financially. With the right financial advisors, they'll be rich for life. Having the right experience while you're playing and having a management team that understands the need to prolong a player's career have value, both monetarily and otherwise. These guys are going to have a riot, winning together. And so are we. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 2, 2024 18:40:28 GMT -5
I like Guhle. A lot But he is not top 15 defensively in the league and barely a top 100 guy offensively. He was 94th in the league last year. Does he have that potential? Sure. But he also has Komisarek potential too. We really only have 1 year to go by. Skilly, that glass is half full, not half empty. Guhle's easily worth $5.5MM and he's going to prove it this year already. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 2, 2024 21:01:50 GMT -5
Maybe he wanted financial security, maybe he just wants to be in Montreal... wouldn't that be nice, players that want to be here? I think that is playing a big role. HuGo are building a team of character players who all get along and like each other. They are a TEAM and players can be willing to bend in some areas in order to keep that group together. I've heard a couple of players quote that other players called them and hoped they could stay together. Hughes has his employees lobbying for him. That's not manipulation, though. All these guys are doing well financially. With the right financial advisors, they'll be rich for life. Having the right experience while you're playing and having a management team that understands the need to prolong a player's career have value, both monetarily and otherwise. These guys are going to have a riot, winning together. And so are we. This is like a Ted Lasso coached team. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 3, 2024 8:18:31 GMT -5
I like Guhle. A lot But he is not top 15 defensively in the league and barely a top 100 guy offensively. He was 94th in the league last year. Does he have that potential? Sure. But he also has Komisarek potential too. We really only have 1 year to go by. Skilly, that glass is half full, not half empty. Guhle's easily worth $5.5MM and he's going to prove it this year already. Ok, but my only point is we don't know what's in that glass yet. It could be half full with Kool-aid or half empty with a great beer. I'm only pointing out that Guhle is still in the hopium category. |
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