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Post by Cranky on Aug 22, 2024 22:59:03 GMT -5
I, the illegitimate child of Carnac and Phyllis Diller, i put the envelope to my forehead and this is what I saw...
Slaf-Suzuki-CC
Newhook-Dach-Laine
Andy-Dvorak-Roy
Armia-Evans-Ghally
Pizza-Beck
Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Savard
X-Mailman
Barron
Offense gets a weapon of mass destruction, defense gets pimple faced and dowright offensive and scary concerning at the same time. Before X-mas we are going to ask Santa for forgiveness, by March, we are going to chew through our fingernails as we gloriously rise to mediocrity and try to sneak into the playoffs.
Who dares to comment?
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 23, 2024 1:37:13 GMT -5
It's pretty close except I think Roy and Beck starts the season in Laval. The moves Gallagher up to third line and Barre-Boulet or Pezzetta to the 4th.
Hughes will want to be under the cap to start the season and then place Price on LTIR. After that I expect a lot of paper transactions
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Post by Polarice on Aug 23, 2024 7:41:04 GMT -5
I've seen this line up out there...looks dangerous.
Newhook-Suzuki-Laine
Slaf-Dach-CC
Anderson-Dvorak-Roy
Armia-Evans-Gally
Beck-Pezzetta
Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Savard
Wifi-Mailman
Barron-Struble
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Post by habsgoalie27 on Aug 23, 2024 8:54:07 GMT -5
I for one like the look of our starting line up, a true number one starting goalie would be great, but o well
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Post by Skilly on Aug 23, 2024 9:52:14 GMT -5
Is there any other team in the league that has thirteen first rounders that could be playing this year?
1. Slaf
2. Laine
3. Dach
5. Demidov, Reinbacher
13. Suzuki
15. Caufield
16. Newhook, Guhle, Armia
23. Matheson
25. Barron
31. Mailloux
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 23, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
Is there any other team in the league that has thirteen first rounders that could be playing this year? 1. Slaf 2. Laine 3. Dach 5. Demidov, Reinbacher 13. Suzuki 15. Caufield 16. Newhook, Guhle, Armia 23. Matheson 25. Barron 31. Mailloux I've been looking at past drafts to see where prospects are at in their career, if they have been putting up points and what not. Honestly there are not a lot of productive players if they are not drafted in the first round. Sure you might hit once in a while in the later rounds but it has me believing more than ever that we should be packing a 1st and 3rd or a 1st and 2nd to move up at each draft. If your team hits on that player, it becomes a successful draft for that team. But to answer your question, I haven't seen any teams yet. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 23, 2024 11:43:29 GMT -5
I expect their actual opening night lineup to be 21 players so that they can be cap compliant until they can use Price’s LTIR in season.
I expect that Beck will start in Laval to get loads of ice time and adapt to the pro game. ABB and Pezz as the spare forwards that will slot in at times feels about right.
I think Mailloux starts in Laval, again to get huge ice time and await his chance for a call up. He will get it. I see Struble being the extra guy and Barron having the 3RHD spot as they really need to see that he can sustain a regular NHL job given that both Mailloux and Reinbacher will be jumping over him on the depth chart at some not so distant point once they get their reps in.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2024 12:55:31 GMT -5
The reason i put up this thread is to see how much our opinions change going through the preseason.
Even though i love what Mailman and Beck bring, unless they literally crush some teamates, i suspect that both are going to start in Laval because it suits management plans. No matter how poorly they play, I'll be schocked to see Dvorak or Ghally or Andy fly paper airplanes on the season start.
Of course i hate that. Being bred on and living my entire life on merit and hard work, I'm a pure believer in that so it will grind my gears to see those two in the AHL IF...IF they deserve to be in the NHL.
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Post by HABsurd on Aug 23, 2024 13:23:25 GMT -5
Is there any other team in the league that has thirteen first rounders that could be playing this year? 1. Slaf 2. Laine 3. Dach 5. Demidov, Reinbacher 13. Suzuki 15. Caufield 16. Newhook, Guhle, Armia 23. Matheson 25. Barron 31. Mailloux For comparison the Avalanche have 10 players drafted in the first round in their roster: Nathan MacKinnon, Draft: 2013, COL (1st overall), 1st round, Gabriel Landeskog, Draft: 2011, COL (2nd overall), 1st round Jonathan Drouin, Draft: 2013, TBL (3rd overall), 1st round Cale Makar, Draft: 2017, COL (4th overall), 1st round Casey Mittelstadt, Draft: 2017, BUF (8th overall), 1st round Mikko Rantanen, Draft: 2015, COL (10th overall), 1st round Calvin de Haan, Draft: 2009, NYI (12th overall), 1st round Erik Brannstrom, Draft: 2017, VGK (15th overall), 1st round Calum Ritchie, Draft: 2023, COL (27th overall), 1st round Oskar Olausson, Draft: 2021, COL (28th overall), 1st round, Note they didn't have a 1st round pick in the last draft. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 23, 2024 18:53:39 GMT -5
The line-up which will start the season (ignoring the goalies, which are obvious)
CC - Suze - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pezzetta - Evans - Armia
Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Savard
Xhekaj - Barron
Struble
The line-up which should start the season:
CC - Suze - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Roy
Dvorak - Newhook- Gallagher
Guy - Evans - Armia
Matheson - Guhle
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Savard
Mailloux
Rationale? We need these kids ready to compete like hell in 2-3 years, so they need ice time. The goal should be to maximize Matheson's value to be traded at the TDL where Mailloux, who has been rotating in or covering for injuries, to take his place in the rotation. That's on D, where Barron has to be traded and Engstrom developed in Laval, to be the 7th guy.
Up front, I have no confidence that Anderson can adjust to MSL's system. He just drags lines down. Roy moves to the second line, Newhook drops to 3rd line centre (or LW).
Of course, none of the above will happen and because of waiver convenience, the first line-up will be the one that hits the ice.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2024 20:01:17 GMT -5
The line-up which will start the season (ignoring the goalies, which are obvious) CC - Suze - Slaf Laine - Dach - Newhook Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher Pezzetta - Evans - Armia Matheson - Guhle Hutson - Savard Xhekaj - Barron Struble The line-up which should start the season: CC - Suze - Slaf Laine - Dach - Roy Dvorak - Newhook- Gallagher Guy - Evans - Armia Matheson - Guhle Hutson - Reinbacher Xhekaj - Savard Mailloux Rationale? We need these kids ready to compete like hell in 2-3 years, so they need ice time. The goal should be to maximize Matheson's value to be traded at the TDL where Mailloux, who has been rotating in or covering for injuries, to take his place in the rotation. That's on D, where Barron has to be traded and Engstrom developed in Laval, to be the 7th guy. Up front, I have no confidence that Anderson can adjust to MSL's system. He just drags lines down. Roy moves to the second line, Newhook drops to 3rd line centre (or LW). Of course, none of the above will happen and because of waiver convenience, the first line-up will be the one that hits the ice. Good lineup, we need dvo, armia and Savard gone at the TDL to let Beck, Florian and Mailloux get more ice time... Reinbacher needs a full season in Laval |
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Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2024 20:47:53 GMT -5
I see the first line staying in place. Given the growth they showed together, it would be highly counterintuitive to break them up. I think Laine plays with Dach and Newhook. The giant Finn will be the line's sniper.
The bottom six gets a little murkier. I foresee Dvorak centering Anderson and Gallagher. And the fourth line, depending on the opponent, would basically be Evans with Armia and Pezzetta (against divisional foes and other heavier/edgier teams) or some other left wing. I believe that Beck would have to be shockingly good in camp to make management conclude that a season in the AHL would not do him good as a young professional.
Roy is the interesting case after the Laine acquisition. If management thinks a kid projects as a top six forward or an offensive catalyst on a contending third line, then I do not see the logic of playing a 21 year old on the fourth line in Montreal. Instead, it makes more sense to play big minutes and be a go to guy in Laval.
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Post by madhabber on Aug 25, 2024 14:32:37 GMT -5
CC - Suze - Slaf - Have to start with this line for the begining of the season at least
Laine - Dach - Anderson - I can see Anderson getting one last chance to succeed. He knows he sucked last year and will want to start off with a bang. If he can build himself up with a decent to good year (or a career year), we may be able to trade him and get something in return.
Armia - Newhook - Gallagher - this was our second line at the end of the season, and they did well. I see no reason to break them up. And that leaves...
Evans - Dvorak - Roy - Pezzetta - I don't think Beck or Kapanen or Heineman make the team out of camp unless there are injuries.
Savard - Hutson - if Hutson makes the team
Gulhe - Matheson
Barron - X - Struble
Monty
Primeau
Now injuries and disappointments would change these lines fairly quickly i would think. That's why Roy starts on the 4th but would move up as soon as we lose one winger. Same with Dvo at center.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 26, 2024 11:46:38 GMT -5
Laine - Dach - Anderson - I can see Anderson getting one last chance to succeed. He knows he sucked last year and will want to start off with a bang. If he can build himself up with a decent to good year (or a career year), we may be able to trade him and get something in return. I think that you're right about Anderson. As a veteran guy they'll give him an opportunity to show that he can play on a scoring line. Just like 31 other teams, the Habs would love to have a guy that's 6"3 / 220lb that can fly and produce on offense, so they'll give him the opportunity. If Anderson can bounce back with a 20g season then he's very much tradeable if the Habs don't want him for the final 2 years of his deal. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 26, 2024 13:19:33 GMT -5
The guy who is lost in this conversation, because of his off season injury, is RHP. He had a strong rookie season two years ago, and then an injury-plagued season last year in which he was not very effective when he was on the ice. He now faces a tougher lineup to crack into again and there will be more pressure from some of the shiny new toys in Laval to get a looksie if injuries open up spots for promotion. This is the Habs; there will be injuries. It is an NHL reality as everyday is a new competition for a roster spot, especially for fringe guys.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2024 14:19:33 GMT -5
The guy who is lost in this conversation, because of his off season injury, is RHP. He had a strong rookie season two years ago, and then an injury-plagued season last year in which he was not very effective when he was on the ice. He now faces a tougher lineup to crack into again and there will be more pressure from some of the shiny new toys in Laval to get a looksie if injuries open up spots for promotion. This is the Habs; there will be injuries. It is an NHL reality as everyday is a new competition for a roster spot, especially for fringe guys. RHP was definitely a breath of fresh air with his Gally like effort and his 24% scoring percentage. Those two factors more than made up for his lack of size. And that's the struggle he will be facing with the Habs. I don't think one can doubt that he's an NHL player. Third line tops and more likely a 4th line role and penalty killer. Both are valuable roles. the challenge that I see is the emphasis that Montreal's management is placing on size. It's hard to argue against that as we have seen the latest group of Stanley Cup winners and finalists all being made up of generally larger players. MArchessault, the Smythe winner two years ago is a small forward, but he was the only small forward on the Knights. One might have an argument for Colorado not having all big players and that is true, but the skill level of a few players on that team is hugely elite. Without Landeskog, though, they were missing a large, skilled player and weren't able to repeat. So, in large part, RHP is fighting for a spot against Cole Caufield. How many small players can a team accept? Caufield and Hutson would be it, IMO, because both have special skills that are difficult to replicate at any size. I don't have a lot of confidence that RHP will be a regular part of the 2026/27 Habs, but he'll play a decent role on some NHL team, for sure. |
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Post by madhabber on Aug 26, 2024 18:03:53 GMT -5
More and more, RHP reminds me of Benoit Brunet. Not the way they play, but seems like a career that will never really reach its peak because of injuries.
Also the Heineman's, Demidov's, Xhekaj's, Beck's and Kapanen's are coming. And after this season, Dvo, Armia and Evans (I don't see him getting resigned because of the pre-mentioned list) will be gone. Maybe Anderson also if he can rebound and we trade him. So RHP will be feeling the heat from below.
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Post by Douper on Aug 26, 2024 18:40:44 GMT -5
I'm going to mix this up a bit...
Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Armia Dach Laine
Roy Newhook Gallagher
Anderson Dvorak Evans/Heinamen
Ghule Madison
Hudson Savard
Xhekaj Mailloux
Baron
Primeau
Monty
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 6, 2024 17:38:27 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Sept 6, 2024 19:20:18 GMT -5
Kovacevic trade lost us 1 pound average.
Is that includes Mailman and Rein?
X Junior and Tuch should bring up that average.
Maybe we can capon CC and Hutson so we can fatten them up?
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Post by folatre on Sept 6, 2024 20:33:59 GMT -5
There are probably only two or three roster spots up for grabs. But, of course, even if most of the pieces are basically known, it is nevertheless interesting to think about how Hughes and St. Louis will opt to assemble them.
I am likelier to be wrong than right, but here it goes:
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield; Laine-Dach-Newhook; Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher; Pezzetta-Evans-Armia; 13th forward to start the season Barre-Boulet.
My reasoning is that I believe the Laine acquisition squeezed Roy's chances to play a second line role in Montreal. I think the third line is likely to be a vet line (Gallagher and Anderson did not get bought out this summer and they are not getting sent down unless they are dogging it on the ice and being bad citizens off the ice). And Roy on the fourth line makes little sense since a skilled 21 year old is better off being a top protagonist in Laval than playing 7-8 minutes a night in Montreal. I like Roy a lot and the kid will play games in Montreal in 2024-25, but not out of the gate.
On the blue line, even if it is not ideal, I see Guhle on the right side with Matheson. I think Mailloux starts in Laval because he is still rather raw in terms of how relatively few game reps he has logged over his age 17-20 years compared to the typical prospect development curve. I do not think Hutson will be a 70 or 80 game type mainstay in his rookie season given his size and coming from the NCAA pathway where 40 games is the norm. I foresee Hutson, Barron, and Struble each getting approximately 60 games in 2024-25. When Hutson plays, it will probably be alongside Savard. The third pair on most nights would be Xhekaj and Barron or Struble.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 6, 2024 20:42:38 GMT -5
Kovacevic trade lost us 1 pound average. Is that includes Mailman and Rein? X Junior and Tuch should bring up that average. Maybe we can capon CC and Hutson so we can fatten them up? No rein or Mailman but includes Roy, Harvey-pinard and barre-boulet... so those three bring it down for sure www.eliteprospects.com/team/64/montreal-canadiens |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 6, 2024 21:19:19 GMT -5
Who is Barre-Boulet and who stuck him in the line-up? If he's someone's cousin please come and collect him before I tell Little X to airmail him into the upper seats...
Seriously, who is this 27 year old guy and his amazing one and only 10 point season?
Second question...who said this is their line-up without the preseason getting seasoned? There is going to be Gowd awful hungry rookies that want in on the big club. Are they going to be denied for Pizzetta and BB Le Nobody?
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 7, 2024 5:55:55 GMT -5
Who is Barre-Boulet and who stuck him in the line-up? If he's someone's cousin please come and collect him before I tell Little X to airmail him into the upper seats... Seriously, who is this 27 year old guy and his amazing one and only 10 point season? Second question...who said this is their line-up without the preseason getting seasoned? There is going to be Gowd awful hungry rookies that want in on the big club. Are they going to be denied for Pizzetta and BB Le Nobody? Lol... I knew BB set you off, he's league minimum filler heading to Laval imo... maybe he was Hughes former client |
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 7, 2024 8:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 7, 2024 12:04:13 GMT -5
There are probably only two or three roster spots up for grabs. But, of course, even if most of the pieces are basically known, it is nevertheless interesting to think about how Hughes and St. Louis will opt to assemble them. I am likelier to be wrong than right, but here it goes: Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield; Laine-Dach-Newhook; Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher; Pezzetta-Evans-Armia; 13th forward to start the season Barre-Boulet. My reasoning is that I believe the Laine acquisition squeezed Roy's chances to play a second line role in Montreal. I think the third line is likely to be a vet line (Gallagher and Anderson did not get bought out this summer and they are not getting sent down unless they are dogging it on the ice and being bad citizens off the ice). And Roy on the fourth line makes little sense since a skilled 21 year old is better off being a top protagonist in Laval than playing 7-8 minutes a night in Montreal. I like Roy a lot and the kid will play games in Montreal in 2024-25, but not out of the gate. On the blue line, even if it is not ideal, I see Guhle on the right side with Matheson. I think Mailloux starts in Laval because he is still rather raw in terms of how relatively few game reps he has logged over his age 17-20 years compared to the typical prospect development curve. I do not think Hutson will be a 70 or 80 game type mainstay in his rookie season given his size and coming from the NCAA pathway where 40 games is the norm. I foresee Hutson, Barron, and Struble each getting approximately 60 games in 2024-25. When Hutson plays, it will probably be alongside Savard. The third pair on most nights would be Xhekaj and Barron or Struble. I agree! The Gally-Andy-Dvo line (or GAD line) will be interesting. They could be GAD awful. But then they could coalesce nicely as the multi-million dollar vets, all supporting each other and thriving. But if any of the 3 are having sub-par seasons they should be relegated to 4th line or Laval so the kids can play. I'd give each of them 6 weeks, max, to show they aren't as bad as they have been the last few seasons. As for D, i like Lane playing one or two games a week. That's all he played in NCAA so he's used to it, and being around the team and watching from the press box will also be good for his development. And hopefully a year from know he'll be a little bigger physically, so more endurance and able to take the pounding. Barron is very much in the GAD situation. If he don't show improvement in the first 6 weeks it's time for HuGo to move on. Stuble is the big mystery. He has lots of tools and was very impressive when first called up. But he digressed to his draft potential, hopefully from fatigue. With all our young D talent, i see him going the way of Harris if he hasn't shown to be 'Steady Eddie' back there. With so many stories, this sure is going to be an interesting and fun season. Hopefully a successful one! |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 7, 2024 13:14:15 GMT -5
Unless Mailman sets MSL hair on fire, or Savard/Guhle gets hurt, i don't expect to see him until Savard gets traded.
Kind of sucks for him but he has to soldier through the politics of vets getting showcased like prize bulls.
Hope to see an early trade of Savard.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 7, 2024 13:31:03 GMT -5
I know everyone has Lane Hutson penciled in, but I think Mailloux has a better chance of making it this year.
They both are facing the same numbers game, they both are expected to improve the PP, but in the NHL .. size wins out.
I still would prefer that Barron or Struble (or both) were traded. We can't stunt growth when we are real close to icing the team we want.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 7, 2024 13:48:19 GMT -5
If Hutson can't take a regular shift as a defenseman, then he's not a defenseman.
Sure, put him in as a bottom pair, protect his minutes, but not as a PP only specialist.
From the interview Marinaro had with Hughes, "regular defenseman" is the expectation. If he fails then Mailman may indeed be up before Hutson.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 7, 2024 14:29:26 GMT -5
I’m going to stick my neck out big time. I don’t care for Matheson no matter that he’s a fan favourite, local guy, good contract, etc.
About half his points came on the PP, which is where we want Hutson because he’s several degrees above Matheson in creativity, shooting at the right time, and passing the puck. Hutson’s hockey IQ is also much, much better. Then on an article yesterday I read that on the PK, Guhle’s stats in allowing goals were much better than Matheson’s, yet Matheson got much more time on the PK than Guhle. So, I’m asking myself , outside of the occasional spectacular goal he scores, what exactly does Matheson bring to the team, on the ice.
If you trade Matheson , who is 30 years old, that solves a lot of the issues we’re facing regarding the kids, ice time, and where they could play.
Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Savard
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Struble
Young?, you bet, but that didn’t hurt the 90/91 Habs. You could get a good return for Matheson too, perhaps including another youngish RHD prospect. Guhle’s ready to anchor the defense at 22. Mailloux was AHL rookie of the year. Hutson proved against a desperate Detroit team that he’s capable. Reinbacher’s work with the Austrian Olympic team qualification games showed that he’s taken another step up. Xhekaj is ready to be at worst an excellent 3rd pair guy. Struble can fit in anywhere, right or left and csn rotate in yo give others a rest. Barron gets traded, and Engstrom acclimates in Laval. Done.
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