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Post by skunk on Dec 3, 2007 20:40:05 GMT -5
Mildly surprising, I guess. Hope they make the cut. White should be a strong candidate for his physical play and leadership, both of which look to be somewhat lacking with this years candidates. He has another advantage in that the camp is held in Calgary, where he lives and plays. The Hitmen play two games, both at home between now and the start of the camp, so Ryan should be as rested and relaxed as anyone there.
Subban's assets are his mobility on the big ice and a hard right side point shot. Depending on how things break down, those two qualities may land him a spot despite his suspect defensive play.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 4, 2007 16:58:07 GMT -5
Mildly surprising, I guess. Hope they make the cut. White should be a strong candidate for his physical play and leadership, both of which look to be somewhat lacking with this years candidates. He has another advantage in that the camp is held in Calgary, where he lives and plays. The Hitmen play two games, both at home between now and the start of the camp, so Ryan should be as rested and relaxed as anyone there. Subban's assets are his mobility on the big ice and a hard right side point shot. Depending on how things break down, those two qualities may land him a spot despite his suspect defensive play. I'm not too concerned about Subban's defensive liabilities. Often mistakes are made on defense when attempting an ill timed offensive manouever. It's not because of a lack of skill. Brisebois has skill. It's passing when you shouldn't, stepping up when you should be safe and drop back. The Hammer plays it safe and no longer rushes and takes chances the way he used to. This results in a positive +/-. Brisebois makes plays when he is the last man back. If a D-man is backed up when he makes his deke, his backup can recover. When Breezeby is the last man standing, a poke check results in a break for the opposition. P.K. is young enough to learn. Breezeby is too old a dog for new tricks. Like baseball, hockey is a game of percentages. You have to make smart decisions and play within your abilities. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 5, 2007 19:12:47 GMT -5
Mildly surprising, I guess. Hope they make the cut. White should be a strong candidate for his physical play and leadership, both of which look to be somewhat lacking with this years candidates. He has another advantage in that the camp is held in Calgary, where he lives and plays. The Hitmen play two games, both at home between now and the start of the camp, so Ryan should be as rested and relaxed as anyone there. Subban's assets are his mobility on the big ice and a hard right side point shot. Depending on how things break down, those two qualities may land him a spot despite his suspect defensive play. Doesn't Subban play on a big surface in Belleville? I believe they have an Olympic size rink. |
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Post by skunk on Dec 5, 2007 19:18:25 GMT -5
Yes, Belleville does have an Olympic size rink. All junior and college teams should do the same. It isn't like they have to worry about losing a few rows of high priced seats or anything.
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Post by chief6 on Dec 13, 2007 1:57:16 GMT -5
Was at both games so far.
PK Subban's put on a really good showing, and hasn't offered any real signs of the defensive liabilities alluded to in the OP. He's been the third-best right-handed defenseman, though the staff may want to take Drew Doughty.
Subban would have to be considered for the seventh spot if that's the case.
Ryan White has been invisible. By my count, he had three total shifts in the second and third period Wednesday night. He must have played more than that, but had absolutely no impact.
White has absolutely no business being a part of the selection camp, let alone the team.
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Post by habmeister on Dec 13, 2007 2:34:59 GMT -5
Was at both games so far. PK Subban's put on a really good showing, and hasn't offered any real signs of the defensive liabilities alluded to in the OP. He's been the third-best right-handed defenseman, though the staff may want to take Drew Doughty. Subban would have to be considered for the seventh spot if that's the case. Ryan White has been invisible. By my count, he had three total shifts in the second and third period Wednesday night. He must have played more than that, but had absolutely no impact. White has absolutely no business being a part of the selection camp, let alone the team. are you stating that by watching white in 3 shifts that he doesn't deserve to be at camp. have you seen him play previously? because the scouts for team canada have seen all of the players play a ton of games and chose these players out of canada's best. white is not flashy, but he's a leader, and he's very very smart, knows where to go, and is great positionally, as well as strong on the puck. you need to watch for that instead of speed and agility, flash and dash. |
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Post by Gogie on Dec 13, 2007 8:51:50 GMT -5
Was at both games so far. PK Subban's put on a really good showing, and hasn't offered any real signs of the defensive liabilities alluded to in the OP. He's been the third-best right-handed defenseman, though the staff may want to take Drew Doughty. Subban would have to be considered for the seventh spot if that's the case. Ryan White has been invisible. By my count, he had three total shifts in the second and third period Wednesday night. He must have played more than that, but had absolutely no impact. White has absolutely no business being a part of the selection camp, let alone the team. I seldom noticed Chipchura on the ice last year in Hamilton and I seldom notice him on the ice this year. Funny thing, though, I seldom notice the puck going in the wrong net when he's on the ice too. |
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Post by cigarviper on Dec 13, 2007 12:22:28 GMT -5
White cut but Subban gets on the squad. Awesome.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 13, 2007 12:43:13 GMT -5
Still haven't made it to Belleville to see this kid and I wasn't available to go see him when he was in Kingston.
We should try to make it to see Subban, CV. He seems to be rising to another level every time his name comes to the forefront.
Cheers.
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Post by cigarviper on Dec 13, 2007 13:14:46 GMT -5
Yeah I haven't been to a Fronts game yet this year. When is he in town next? Maybe use this as an excuse to check out the new rink downtown.
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Post by habmeister on Dec 13, 2007 13:47:46 GMT -5
love it! subban baby! can't wait to finally see what all the hype was about, after watching him in the skating drills at rookie camp if he has it between the ears and "hockey sense" he could be up with us in 1-2 years, awesome skills!
too bad about ryan white, his skating isn't good enough for the euro ice surface though, but once again a case of a player that plays a pro style game, lucic, lats, perron, but can't make team canada jr team.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 13, 2007 15:58:30 GMT -5
Subban impressed me with his poise talking to the press. He does have grey matter between his ears and that's a good thing. He has skills and that's a good thing. He has speed and that's a good thing. He plays defense and he's not from a Minnesota High School and that's a good thing.
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2007 18:55:27 GMT -5
I saw Esposito was released again.
He said something about having 2 strikes against him before camp started, ANybody know what he meant?
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Post by halihab on Dec 13, 2007 21:17:19 GMT -5
I saw Esposito was released again. He said something about having 2 strikes against him before camp started, ANybody know what he meant? I think he meant that he was cut two previous times. He is also eligible to attend next year's tryout for the 4th time. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2007 22:02:23 GMT -5
Here's the TSN link with Esposito's comments www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story/?ID=225082&hubname=Too bad about White. I thought he might be the Chipchura type the team needed on the shutdown line. He compares to Chips a bit. A little tougher, maybe not quite as smart, though not dumb by any means. He's an ok skater, but as H & C says, on the big ice surface they like super skaters. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 14, 2007 0:43:39 GMT -5
I thought one of our prospects would make it, but had the name wrong!
This is good for Subban even if he does not see as much ice time as a seventh guy. A D who is a really solid skater who can rack up the points and has been working on his defensive game is still a valuable commodity on that big ice surface. He plays on one all year so scouts will have seen his abilities for a while now.
Too bad about White as I thought his two way play and leadership would get him a spot. I guess he can go back to Cowtown and work on having a good season and earning a contract over the summer. He was still at camp on Tuesday so did not make the trip to Edmonton when the Hitmen were in town, so at least I will see him during their future visits to town.
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Post by chief6 on Dec 14, 2007 0:45:26 GMT -5
Was at both games so far. PK Subban's put on a really good showing, and hasn't offered any real signs of the defensive liabilities alluded to in the OP. He's been the third-best right-handed defenseman, though the staff may want to take Drew Doughty. Subban would have to be considered for the seventh spot if that's the case. Ryan White has been invisible. By my count, he had three total shifts in the second and third period Wednesday night. He must have played more than that, but had absolutely no impact. White has absolutely no business being a part of the selection camp, let alone the team. are you stating that by watching white in 3 shifts that he doesn't deserve to be at camp. have you seen him play previously? because the scouts for team canada have seen all of the players play a ton of games and chose these players out of canada's best. white is not flashy, but he's a leader, and he's very very smart, knows where to go, and is great positionally, as well as strong on the puck. you need to watch for that instead of speed and agility, flash and dash. I've been to about half of Calgary's home games so far this season. I've seen more than enough Ryan White to know he's got all the talent in the world, but is much too selective about when he uses it. I agree he has great hockey sense, and he's starting to become a really good penalty killer. His second period disappearing act is something I've grown rather accustomed to at Hitmen games this season. But hey, after Montreal cut him, he came back to Calgary and played like a man possessed for a couple weeks. We've got five really big games coming up and could really use that Ryan White. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 15, 2007 1:51:11 GMT -5
I've been to about half of Calgary's home games so far this season. I've seen more than enough Ryan White to know he's got all the talent in the world, but is much too selective about when he uses it. I agree he has great hockey sense, and he's starting to become a really good penalty killer. His second period disappearing act is something I've grown rather accustomed to at Hitmen games this season. But hey, after Montreal cut him, he came back to Calgary and played like a man possessed for a couple weeks. We've got five really big games coming up and could really use that Ryan White. He did it again, two assists in a big win after getting cut. Those funny 19 year olds!! |
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Post by skunk on Dec 15, 2007 3:36:53 GMT -5
I think Ryan White would have made the team if Brent Sutter was still coaching. Hartsburg seemed to go in a different direction and opted for speed over size and two way play. He also seemed to go with an OHL player if there was any doubt.
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