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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2024 18:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Oct 29, 2024 18:59:08 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY NOT
Z loves himself.
Let's trade X to Booins and they'll make him the next Chara and Mailman to Anaheim and watch him blossom to a 60 point monster.
Meanwhile we get ready for the next rebuild in 2030...
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Post by drkcloud on Oct 29, 2024 19:26:47 GMT -5
No way!! Zegras is playing down on the 3rd and 4th line in Anaheim. Gee I wonder why? Could it be that he's a selfish slacker all about the highlight reel?
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Post by jkr on Oct 29, 2024 19:28:12 GMT -5
I read the article. Where's the bargain this reporter is talking about?
Zegras is not the gritty guy that Montreal is rumored to be after.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2024 19:53:00 GMT -5
Wow a thread like this gets everyone up in arms... lol
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 1, 2024 16:14:49 GMT -5
I read the article. Where's the bargain this reporter is talking about? Zegras is not the gritty guy that Montreal is rumored to be after. A weak defensive corps does not mesh well with a forward who doesn't backcheck |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 13, 2024 12:35:57 GMT -5
Z The G, aka, Zegras the Great has...sit down for the shocker...3 POINTS IN 14 GAMES
ONE GOAL
Imagine having given up our RHD future for this clown. But hey, he's a fancy stick handling clown.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 15, 2024 12:13:05 GMT -5
Zegras will succeed somewhere but it sure as heck isn't going to be in the system the Ducks play or on a team molded by Verbeek.
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Post by HABsurd on Nov 15, 2024 13:07:54 GMT -5
I would do Newhook + misc. for Zegras.
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 15, 2024 13:19:23 GMT -5
I would do Newhook + misc. for Zegras. Not a bad approach to it, but this year has proven that our prosepcts have not increased in value. |
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Post by HABsurd on Nov 15, 2024 13:41:49 GMT -5
I would do Newhook + misc. for Zegras. Not a bad approach to it, but this year has proven that our prosepcts have not increased in value. I would argue that Mailloux and Hutson have increased in value — at least from my perspective. True that Newhook and Dach have decreased, but not as much as Zegras. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 15, 2024 16:20:02 GMT -5
Not a bad approach to it, but this year has proven that our prosepcts have not increased in value. I would argue that Mailloux and Hutson have increased in value — at least from my perspective. True that Newhook and Dach have decreased, but not as much as Zegras. From talking to the Duck fans they need people who can put the puck in the net. We don't much past CC and that will never happen. I would do Newhook for Zegras and not much more. I still detect some people are sticking to their extra righteous milk crate on Mailman so while they are willing to forget how some of our other prospects are doing, they want to jump to a "bust" conclusion on Mailman. He certainly can use a lot quicker skating and more balance, which some are translating as "hockey vision". Skating is EVERYTHING and if it's not elite, it shows in ones reaction time and options. We are at least 2-3 years away from seeing his real potential as an all around defenseman. THAT is why he's untouchable in my books. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 15, 2024 16:29:02 GMT -5
I would argue that Mailloux and Hutson have increased in value — at least from my perspective. True that Newhook and Dach have decreased, but not as much as Zegras. From talking to the Duck fans they need people who can put the puck in the net. We don't much past CC and that will never happen. I would do Newhook for Zegras and not much more. I still detect some people are sticking to their extra righteous milk crate on Mailman so while they are willing to forget how some of our other prospects are doing, they want to jump to a "bust" conclusion on Mailman. He certainly can use a lot quicker skating and more balance, which some are translating as "hockey vision". Skating is EVERYTHING and if it's not elite, it shows in ones reaction time and options. We are at least 2-3 years away from seeing his real potential as an all around defenseman. THAT is why he's untouchable in my books. I don't want Logan going anywhere... he missed a lot of development time. We have a diamond in the rough imo... how many teams would like to have a 21 year old, offensive, big RHD? He needs to get stronger and needs to get his impulses under control... he's a keeper |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 15, 2024 17:04:27 GMT -5
From talking to the Duck fans they need people who can put the puck in the net. We don't much past CC and that will never happen. I would do Newhook for Zegras and not much more. I still detect some people are sticking to their extra righteous milk crate on Mailman so while they are willing to forget how some of our other prospects are doing, they want to jump to a "bust" conclusion on Mailman. He certainly can use a lot quicker skating and more balance, which some are translating as "hockey vision". Skating is EVERYTHING and if it's not elite, it shows in ones reaction time and options. We are at least 2-3 years away from seeing his real potential as an all around defenseman. THAT is why he's untouchable in my books. I don't want Logan going anywhere... he missed a lot of development time. We have a diamond in the rough imo... how many teams would like to have a 21 year old, offensive, big RHD? He needs to get stronger and needs to get his impulses under control... he's a keeper Those 2 items are relatively easy. Growth and experience will cure them. My question keeps coming back to whether or not he is analyzing the play in his own zone well enough and quickly enough. The lack of games played may be causing that. It's still a question in my mind, but other than that, the guy could indeed be an excellent Dman. Without that, the ceiling is likely 3rd pair. I hope he figures it out. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 15, 2024 18:56:04 GMT -5
Mailman would of benefitted like no one else if we had a teaching vet. The smarter player just steal knowledge from vets, some vets love to teach kids. Monahan comes to mind.
It doesn't have to be an allstar. Just have to be very good on the defensive defenseman side and willing to be patient.
OR...
Put Mailman and Guhle together. I have no idea how Guhle works with teammates, but he is known top be serious and a leader.
When I taught people how to use the CNC's, I lost lots of product and hair follicles. Trying to teach someone who last job was working on a farm with 1930's tech in a 3rd world country is not easy, but it can be done. "This is what you do and this is why you do it" is not a fast process, but it's effective. Well, at least to the majority of people who are WILLING to learn.
Teaching...IS the CORE of development.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 15, 2024 19:00:20 GMT -5
I would say, "no" ... according to which talking head you're listening to, Logan Mailloux is one of the top d-men in the AHL right now ... wouldn't want to trade that away ...
Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 15, 2024 19:06:36 GMT -5
Mailman would of benefitted like no one else if we had a teaching vet. The smarter player just steal knowledge from vets, some vets love to teach kids. Monahan comes to mind. It doesn't have to be an allstar. Just have to be very good on the defensive defenseman side and willing to be patient. OR... Put Mailman and Guhle together. I have no idea how Guhle works with teammates, but he is known top be serious and a leader. When I taught people how to use the CNC's, I lost lots of product and hair follicles. Trying to teach someone who last job was working on a farm with 1930's tech in a 3rd world country is not easy, but it can be done. "This is what you do and this is why you do it" is not a fast process, but it's effective. Well, at least to the majority of people who are WILLING to learn. Teaching...IS the CORE of development. They should bring in Markov to teach these guys |
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Post by folatre on Nov 15, 2024 20:37:25 GMT -5
My position on Zegras remains the same (I will not be more critical because of Zegras' horrible start to his season). Nothing against the kid per se, but how in the world is a 23/24 year old who has not been able to handle the full plate that comes with being an NHL center the answer for the Habs?
Montreal needs centers; Montreal needs more size and physicality; and Montreal needs more forwards with a determination to forecheck/backcheck and win puck battles.
Mailloux is a keeper. I see his ceiling higher than Reinbachers' and if I had to guess the future top pair will be Guhle-Mailloux.
Verbeek is probably feeling really sour about now. The kid played hardball at the negotiating table, but he has not changed his stripes on the ice. Zegras is a highly-skilled perimeter guy who either cannot or does not like to be bothered with the rigors and details that come with playing winning two-way ice hockey.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 15, 2024 21:33:23 GMT -5
They should bring in Markov to teach these guys I'm a big fan of hands on, direct teaching. It's one thing to be on the ice and a small head movements means a Bible of thoughts and another doing it on the bench after the fact. Both can be done, but one is faster and more effective. Also elevates the level of responsibility. If you pass the puck in my legs and I have to take time to retrieve it, which gets me a board crushing, you will know it right there and then. And a huge sorry vice versa. I have no clue if Markov is the answer, but SmartyMarty isn't. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 15, 2024 21:36:17 GMT -5
My position on Zegras remains the same (I will not be more critical because of Zegras' horrible start to his season). Nothing against the kid per se, but how in the world is a 23/24 year old who has not been able to handle the full plate that comes with being an NHL center the answer for the Habs? Montreal needs centers; Montreal needs more size and physicality; and Montreal needs more forwards with a determination to forecheck/backcheck and win puck battles. Mailloux is a keeper. I see his ceiling higher than Reinbachers' and if I had to guess the future top pair will be Guhle-Mailloux. Verbeek is probably feeling really sour about now. The kid played hardball at the negotiating table, but he has not changed his stripes on the ice. Zegras is a highly-skilled perimeter guy who either cannot or does not like to be bothered with the rigors and details that come with playing winning two-way ice hockey. Everything has a price. If it's low enough, sometimes players change. Sometimes... As for Mailman I agree. Goes back to me valuing a full 200 ft defenseman more then a one dimensional rover. On the other hand, a 80 point rover with a 6-7 defensive skill works for me. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 17, 2024 23:00:41 GMT -5
I would say, "no" ... according to which talking head you're listening to, Logan Mailloux is one of the top d-men in the AHL right now ... wouldn't want to trade that away ... Cheers. Agree unless you value two fancy Michigan goals a year more than 15 to 20 goals from an effective efenseman. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 17, 2024 23:31:11 GMT -5
I read the article. Where's the bargain this reporter is talking about? Zegras is not the gritty guy that Montreal is rumored to be after. everyone makes mistakes you have to admit when you do, learn and not repeat if Hugo was offered Michkov for Reinbacher today, would he do it? Would any GM not do it? |
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Post by franko on Nov 18, 2024 16:56:45 GMT -5
everyone makes mistakes you have to admit when you do, learn and not repeat if Hugo was offered Michkov for Reinbacher today, would he do it? Would any GM not do it? I'd say we wait just a little bit before anointing him as the next next one. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 19, 2024 10:57:08 GMT -5
everyone makes mistakes you have to admit when you do, learn and not repeat if Hugo was offered Michkov for Reinbacher today, would he do it? Would any GM not do it? I'd say we wait just a little bit before anointing him as the next next one. I'd say that's reasonable ... besides, if they felt that strongly about Matvei Michkov, they had a chance to draft him ahead of David Reinbacher ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 19, 2024 13:23:05 GMT -5
Michkov has already been benched once by Torts for not following his directions. Elite offensive players have to be handled differently, but there are still some lines no coach will accept crossing.
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