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Post by drkcloud on Oct 31, 2024 20:52:02 GMT -5
The score is actually extremely flattering. 16 shots on net.
Without big change we might not win another game
Really tired of being embarrassed by this once proud franchise
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Post by seventeen on Oct 31, 2024 20:56:37 GMT -5
But... but... they're going to be " in the mix" I never thought for a single instant that we'd be anywhere near the mix I did, but the injuries threw my analysis out the window and I expected so much more from MSL. Such promise. Wasted. |
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Post by folatre on Oct 31, 2024 21:09:43 GMT -5
I dislike and almost always disagree with firing a coach in-season. But this team does not play with the structure and intensity required to survive in this league. Guys are free wheeling, freelancing, tapping into their creative inner self, etc. But it is simply not a coherent way to mold a group of guys into a team.
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Post by folatre on Oct 31, 2024 21:24:20 GMT -5
My son is 12 years old and his coach would have had a nuclear meltdown if one of the boys behind his own net threw a backhand pizza into the prime slot, which is precisely what Dvorak did and he is not a kid; he is apathetic vet. And Dvorak did not get stapled to the bench, nothing. And I am sure St. Louis will roll Dvorak back out there Saturday in Pittsburgh.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 31, 2024 21:24:52 GMT -5
I blame everything on Xhekaj...
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 31, 2024 21:27:55 GMT -5
I have to hand it to Anderson, I never saw him go after Wilson... this is the Josh Anderson I want to see
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Post by folatre on Oct 31, 2024 21:38:22 GMT -5
Since the lost season in Columbus where he had shoulder surgery, Anderson does go out of his way to chuck'em. But for sure the dude can. I remember a game a couple of years ago when Connor Murphy demolished Suzuki (clean hit actually) and Anderson beat Murphy up.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 31, 2024 22:01:04 GMT -5
My son is 12 years old and his coach would have had a nuclear meltdown if one of the boys behind his own net threw a backhand pizza into the prime slot, which is precisely what Dvorak did and he is not a kid; he is apathetic vet. And Dvorak did not get stapled to the bench, nothing. And I am sure St. Louis will roll Dvorak back out there Saturday in Pittsburgh. Imagine being Xhekaj and watching this baby-brown show. Seeing that pass that got him in trouble but not Dvo. He's going to seeth and feel like he's some kind of donkey to kick around. This kind of treatment and mindset really helps with "development"....NOT |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 31, 2024 23:32:58 GMT -5
The Washington announcer said during the game: "If Caps want to win they've got to get Mtl to play defence". Doesn't that sum it all up  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 1, 2024 2:05:46 GMT -5
I wasted another 45 minutes watching the third.
I'm tired of watching the pp, them getting hemmed in, getting beaten at the puck.
Pretty much tired of wasting time on them.
And the best of all, half way through the period, CC gets the puck in our zone, 15 ft from the blueline and fires it at the boards. Not down the boards, but AT the boards and a Cap gets the puck. It looked like a "**** it" clearance. It looks like he had given up.
This team is falling apart. Half of it goes to the team and half to SmartyMarty who is losing them.
Lastly...on principle, I don't even want to pay 5 bucks to watch this level of incompetence.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 1, 2024 5:30:31 GMT -5
Watched the game with a coaching friend last night...he had no horses in the race...he's a Philly fan.  He had a good point that the Habs have no system to speak of. All they do is chase the puck....dump it in chase it down, if they get it they may pass it to someone but usually they shoot it or they lose it and it goes back up ice. Same on defence...they just chase the puck and forget to cover the other players. Reminds him of the MT days. Reminds him of our old pick up league...no coaching, just go score more that the other guy. Also, he kept asking, why would you not dress Xhekaj when you know Wilson is going to be running everyone? |
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 1, 2024 9:37:46 GMT -5
Watched the game with a coaching friend last night...he had no horses in the race...he's a Philly fan. He had a good point that the Habs have no system to speak of. All they do is chase the puck....dump it in chase it down, if they get it they may pass it to someone but usually they shoot it or they lose it and it goes back up ice. Same on defence...they just chase the puck and forget to cover the other players. Reminds him of the MT days. Reminds him of our old pick up league...no coaching, just go score more that the other guy. Also, he kept asking, why would you not dress Xhekaj when you know Wilson is going to be running everyone? Why is it everyone can see that there is no system, and if there is, it ain't working? And almost everyone's dog was saying you gotta dress X to deal with Wilson. But Marrty says no. And sure enough when the game is no longer in doubt he takes a run at Guhle. It's almost as if Marty is thinking "I'm going to change the way the NHL plays hockey." Good try Marty, but maybe you need to learn how the NHL plays hockey, and then start the revolution.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 1, 2024 9:51:14 GMT -5
Watched the game with a coaching friend last night...he had no horses in the race...he's a Philly fan. He had a good point that the Habs have no system to speak of. All they do is chase the puck....dump it in chase it down, if they get it they may pass it to someone but usually they shoot it or they lose it and it goes back up ice. Same on defence...they just chase the puck and forget to cover the other players. Reminds him of the MT days. Reminds him of our old pick up league...no coaching, just go score more that the other guy. Also, he kept asking, why would you not dress Xhekaj when you know Wilson is going to be running everyone? Why is it everyone can see that there is no system, and if there is, it ain't working? And almost everyone's dog was saying you gotta dress X to deal with Wilson. But Marrty says no. And sure enough when the game is no longer in doubt he takes a run at Guhle. It's almost as if Marty is thinking "I'm going to change the way the NHL plays hockey." Good try Marty, but maybe you need to learn how the NHL plays hockey, and then start the revolution. The only way to change the nhl is to win stanley cups... the 70s dynasty did that, they beat up the Flyers and won the cup with skill, the Islanders won the cup with skill and so did the Oilers after that |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 1, 2024 10:00:18 GMT -5
My son is 12 years old and his coach would have had a nuclear meltdown if one of the boys behind his own net threw a backhand pizza into the prime slot, which is precisely what Dvorak did and he is not a kid; he is apathetic vet. And Dvorak did not get stapled to the bench, nothing. And I am sure St. Louis will roll Dvorak back out there Saturday in Pittsburgh. They have been doing this for 2 years now. I’ve posted about this in the past. MTL’s breakout system is about getting the puck to the middle of the ice. It’s baffling, but they all do it. This time there was no one there to chip it to the blueline. I’m not sure what I’m seeing on the ice anymore, because these “systems” are not the hockey I’ve grew up studying |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 1, 2024 11:24:12 GMT -5
Why is it everyone can see that there is no system, and if there is, it ain't working? And almost everyone's dog was saying you gotta dress X to deal with Wilson. But Marrty says no. And sure enough when the game is no longer in doubt he takes a run at Guhle. It's almost as if Marty is thinking "I'm going to change the way the NHL plays hockey." Good try Marty, but maybe you need to learn how the NHL plays hockey, and then start the revolution. SmartyMarty is not a compliment... In my ex-world I've seen it a few times in sons taking over and thinking they know better then daddy...a few years before bankrupting the company. Or the GM who came from IBM, struted around and told everyone how to do their job. Fired two years later. In every case they were too smart by half and too arrogant to listen. So they did their damage and got fired or the company got destroyed. What will SmartyMarty do? At this rate we are going to lose a season of development. It wont destroy the team but it certainly might maim a few players future. This can't be allowed to happen...but then, look how long BargainBin lasted. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 1, 2024 12:21:02 GMT -5
I blame everything on Xhekaj... He played too many or too few minutes. Too many seasons passed to keep blaming Barginbin. We just went through the absolute worst seasons in Canadiens history and we are in a hole and keep digging. Blame is not the way to advance. I am very sad! |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 1, 2024 13:01:41 GMT -5
Time to shake up the roster
Waive Dvorak
Send Kapanen back to Sweden
Call up Joshua Roy
I’m not saying it’s the solution but the team struggling. I’m way more interested in Roy than a useless Dvorak and I feel Kapanen doesn’t need to be here this year. Let him be the man in the SHL
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 1, 2024 13:16:03 GMT -5
Time to shake up the roster Waive Dvorak Send Kapanen back to Sweden Call up Joshua Roy I’m not saying it’s the solution but the team struggling. I’m way more interested in Roy than a useless Dvorak and I feel Kapanen doesn’t need to be here this year. Let him be the man in the SHL And Tell Josh he needs to play angry, him going after Wilson is the type of aggression we need. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 1, 2024 15:11:59 GMT -5
Time to shake up the roster Waive Dvorak Send Kapanen back to Sweden Call up Joshua Roy I’m not saying it’s the solution but the team struggling. I’m way more interested in Roy than a useless Dvorak and I feel Kapanen doesn’t need to be here this year. Let him be the man in the SHL Those are easily done and won't cost anything. They are all positive. Because two players are leaving and only one replacing, it involves some rearranging. Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf Heineman - Dach- Roy Newhook - Evans - Gallagher Pezzetta/Armia - Someone who can win face-offs and work hard - Anderson. It's that fourth centre spot that is questionable. Barre-Boulet? (weak on faceoffs). Xhekaj? too inexperienced. Kidney? needs more AHL time. Beck is the obvious choice, except he could use more Laval time too. Two assists Wednesday and first star in a 3-2 win over Utica. He wouldn't get as much ice time in Montreal, but he would help on PK and winning face-offs. But do we want to subject him to the complete lack of structure in place at the moment? I wonder what HuGo thinks the root problem is? If Marty's system is just too complicated for everyone but him and Ducharme to understand (Ok, low blow), what do they do? Enquiring minds want to know. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 1, 2024 18:07:01 GMT -5
Boston, yes, I agree with waiving Dvorak and sending Kapanen back to Sweden.
I am sure we all noted the identity and strong play of the Capitals' fourth line. Duhaime and Dowd get after it in all three zones. I have said before, I do not like putting skilled kids with no sandpaper on the fourth line. I would actually call up Candotta and put Pezzetta and Armia on his wings.
For sure, Skilly, the 'system' the Habs play is trying to defy the laws of speed and force. Basically the NHL is almost exclusively full of men who are big and fast. So any system that endorses flipping the puck around in danger areas seems incomprehensible for me.
My son plays the wing, thus he is very rarely ever behind his own goalie's net so he could never produce a Dvorak masterpiece. But I had to laugh thinking about Nico's coach's message every time he gets the puck in the d-zone or neutral zone. Actually, it can be one of three messages. The old coach either bellows out Skate It or Chip It or BOARDS. Back passes are frowned upon. Cross ice sauce is a no no for 3/4 of the boys. Man, when did simplicity and fundamentals go out of style?
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Post by Cranky on Nov 1, 2024 19:15:13 GMT -5
Boston, yes, I agree with waiving Dvorak and sending Kapanen back to Sweden. I am sure we all noted the identity and strong play of the Capitals' fourth line. Duhaime and Dowd get after it in all three zones. I have said before, I do not like putting skilled kids with no sandpaper on the fourth line. I would actually call up Candotta and put Pezzetta and Armia on his wings. For sure, Skilly, the 'system' the Habs play is trying to defy the laws of speed and force. Basically the NHL is almost exclusively full of men who are big and fast. So any system that endorses flipping the puck around in danger areas seems incomprehensible for me. My son plays the wing, thus he is very rarely ever behind his own goalie's net so he could never produce a Dvorak masterpiece. But I had to laugh thinking about Nico's coach's message every time he gets the puck in the d-zone or neutral zone. Actually, it can be one of three messages. The old coach either bellows out Skate It or Chip It or BOARDS. Back passes are frowned upon. Cross ice sauce is a no no for 3/4 of the boys. Man, when did simplicity and fundamentals go out of style? I don't have anything important right now so spend far too much time going over odds and ends of the games. Two of my favorite players are X and Mailman. I see what appears like clear mistakes but more often the not, they had a way tougher choice then just a simple up the ice pass. A week back i wrote about Mailman and not giving X enough room to flip the puck to him. Went back curious as to why Mailman was stuck so close to the net. He had an opposing player in front of the net, who eventually scored. But the kid had an impossible choice. Skate to the boards and leave the man open in front of the net? Where are the forwards in support? Where is the vaunted zone defense? Whose covering the point? If X made that perfect 20 foot flip pass, all is well, instead he gets picked off, then a pass to the man at the low point and...X and Mailman are the fall guys. They should be, but they are not alone. Hockey isn't rocket science. Every single goal ever scored is from some kind of mistake. Not once did the wind blow in a goal. What is wrong with the Habs is more then a guy or two failing. I hate using "systemic failure" but this comes pretty close. Now what? |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 1, 2024 23:47:36 GMT -5
If X made that perfect 20 foot flip pass, all is well, instead he gets picked off, then a pass to the man at the low point and...X and Mailman are the fall guys. They should be, but they are not alone. Hockey isn't rocket science. Every single goal ever scored is from some kind of mistake. Not once did the wind blow in a goal. What is wrong with the Habs is more then a guy or two failing. I hate using "systemic failure" but this comes pretty close. Now what? This is what I was referring to about support. You watch other teams and they have the centre back near the front of the net, so the dman can pass it up the boards to the winger, back to his partner or to the centre in front. Three options. It makes a forecheck more difficult for the other team. I'm sure there are deficiencies to that system (maybe the counter is slower because the centre is so far back?), but the point is that the Dman does not have to make a really difficult long pass.
Man I could have strangled this centre back on our soccer team. He didn't believe in any pass shorter than 20 yards. Needless to say he was a turnover machine. Just, boom, boom, boom, up the field with a hope and a prayer. He was Franz Beckenbauer without the skill. He could have a guy 10 feet away, wide open, but he had to go for the hail mary. Playing with teammates like that you learn how important possession is, and how important supporting teammates is because they need options. If I was coaching kids, I'd be telling them that the guy with the puck, may have the easiest job on the team. He just has to wait for a teammate to cut into open space and get the puck to them. It's those who don't have the puck who have to work hard to create. From various comments, I think Marty has that same principle in his strategy. He talks about teaching players what to do when they don't have the puck. It makes sense, but somehow it's not coming together. It shouldn't be complicated, except for anticipating what might happen, which means keeping your head up and not glued to the puck. That's both offensively and defensively.
There is one simple thing the coaching staff can drill into the team which will improve everything....the forwards have to backcheck like their lives depend on it. When you do that, it makes the defense's job much easier and it improves transition. It's hard work for the forwards, but it's worth it, and it's easy to implement. You don't backcheck, you lose ice time. No bag skates needed.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 2, 2024 0:55:58 GMT -5
I put up the simulation pic on this scenario in another thread. It's a synopsis of systemic defensive lapses.
Three players screwed up to some degree.
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He had a good point that the Habs have no system to speak of. All they do is chase the puck....dump it in chase it down, if they get it they may pass it to someone but usually they shoot it or they lose it and it goes back up ice. Same on defence...they just chase the puck and forget to cover the other players. Reminds him of the MT days. 
