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Post by Lateralus on Jul 22, 2003 13:31:53 GMT -5
Every now and then when there is nothing new here at HabsRus, I venture over to the lowly sportsnet forums to see what they are talking about (man can you ever tell the difference in maturity and knowledge).
Anyways, people were talking about the Leafs prospects and how good they are. I know they are no where's close to the depth that Montreal has, but they are sure deeming Carlo and the others to be future superstars. I read up on some of these guys, and I think they will be solid NHLers at best, but no superstars.
What do you guys (and gals) think? I know I really laugh at how Leafs fans truly think that they are the best in every possible way.... cause according to them, they have the best prospects in the NHL (HA!).
............there I go again.... getting so angry!!
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jul 22, 2003 13:50:21 GMT -5
Here we go...TO's prospect top 10:
1. Carlo Colaiacovo, D
2. Alexander Steen, C
3. Mikael Tellqvist, G
4. Matt Stajan, C
5. Brendan Bell, D
6. Alex Ponikarovsky, LW
7. Kyle Wellwood, C
8. Jay Harrison, D
9. Ian White, D
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D
My opinion:
1. Potential top 4 D
2. Second line center
3. To me, he looks like a lifetime backup (so far)
4. Steady 3rd liner
5. 5th or 6th dman
6. I like what I saw at the WJC, could become a good PKer
8. don't know...never heard of him
9. Has a good shot, will probably make it, but no superstar material here
10. Never heard of him
This is what I think could potentially happen down the road for these guys. It's just my opinion based on casual observation, so take it for whatever it's worth.
Bottom line, I don't see any superstars in their system. Our system is a lot stronger, and I don't see any surefire superstars there either. Fans have a knack for overrating their players, especially Laff fans.
THF
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Post by Ryan on Jul 22, 2003 14:04:06 GMT -5
I’ll just start out by listing their top ten prospects according to Hockey’s Future www.hockeysfuture.com/team.php?team=201. Carlo Colaiacovo 2. Alexander Steen 3. Mikael Tellqvist 4. Matt Stajan 5. Brendan Bell 6. Alex Ponikarovsky 7. Kyle Wellwood 8. Jay Harrison 9. Ian White 10. Maxim Kondratiev If there is a future star to be found in this group it is Colaiacovo. He’ll make the NHL, there’s little doubt about that. He has upside of being a top 4 defenceman because he has great defensive skills to go along with decent offensive skills. He’s probably a long shot to end up at a top 2 defenceman but should fit in nicely as a number 3 or 4. Steen I’ve never seen play so it would be unfair for me to make a judgment on him. I certainly don’t hear anyone else talking about him, so I’ll assume he’s got 3rd line, possibly 2nd line potential. Tellqvist has an outside shot at being a starter in the NHL. I personally see him as a career back-up/minor leaguer. Nothing to write home about, that’s for sure. Stajan, Bell, Wellwood, Harrison, and White are all borderline prospects. They’ll probably all see some time in the NHL, but whether they stay very long is questionable. If one of the four turns into a solid NHLer they’ll be lucky. Ponikarovsky is too old to be on this list, he’s already shown he’ll bounce between the NHL and minor leagues most of his career. Kondratiev I’ve not seen play, but I doubt anyone expects him to be anything more than a depth defenceman in the NHL at best. They really have nothing worth mentioning aside from Colaiacovo. If you take every team’s top 10 prospects you’d be lucky to have 4 of them play regularly in the NHL. Of this group I’d say only Colaiacovo and Steen stand a chance. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 22, 2003 14:07:04 GMT -5
In my mind the Laffers only have 1 legit ''potential'' star and thats Carlo Colaiacovo. Steen is a nice prospect, but he'll likely be a 2nd line center at best(I'd take Higgins before him) all the other ones are projected as 3rd lines types or bottom pairing d-men. White has a cannon of a slap shot as he showed at the WJC but isn't all that big or good defensively.
and what's good is...no 1st rounder in the last draft and no 2nd in 04(the Wesley deal) so it's not like adding top prospects to the system will happen just like that.
I also found hilarious how Laffs fans were all proud of the fact they had 6 or 7 players on team Canada at the last WJC and took it as a sign of a great future....when most of them were 3rd or 4th liners of bottom pairing d-men ;D
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 22, 2003 14:18:10 GMT -5
Guys,
A few jabs at the Leafs every now and again is fun but we could slow down a bit on the continual anti-Leafs bashing campaigns. This is a pro-HABS site not an Anti-Leafs one.
I prefer our farm at this point but as THF points out there is no superstar in the making in any farms. That being said, I'd take Andropov one for one over any offensive prospects in the organization.
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Post by The Habsome One on Jul 22, 2003 14:30:35 GMT -5
I'm sick of the Leafs. Please cease bringing discussions of that filth into this main forum.  |
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Post by Lateralus on Jul 22, 2003 14:36:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys...
and also sorry for bringing in Leaf discussion here, I was sceptical about doing so.
I respect the comments from the posters here, and wanted to hear first hand from them and compare to what sportnet people say.
Thanks again for the great replies.
Lats
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Post by Ryan on Jul 22, 2003 14:36:27 GMT -5
Guys, A few jabs at the Leafs every now and again is fun but we could slow down a bit on the continual anti-Leafs bashing campaigns. This is a pro-HABS site not an Anti-Leafs one. I prefer our farm at this point but as THF points out there is no superstar in the making in any farms. That being said, I'd take Andropov one for one over any offensive prospects in the organization. Depending on the definition Antropov isn't a prospect any longer. I think he'll end up being a pretty darn good second line center. Certainly I'd take him over Bulis at this point, and might even consider him over Zednik. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 22, 2003 14:40:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys... and also sorry for bringing in Leaf discussion here, I was sceptical about doing so. I respect the comments from the posters here, and wanted to hear first hand from them and compare to what sportnet people say. Thanks again for the great replies. Lats There is nothing wrong with talking about the Leafs or any other team...let's just do it on the Non Habs Hockey forum(where this thread was moved) and not the main board next time. Ryan, I also like Antropov alot...he's probably one of the few Leafs I don't hate and hope they are stupid enough to deal him for a short term rental.  He'd look good as a Hab... |
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Post by Viper on Jul 22, 2003 15:21:13 GMT -5
many fans are talking about adding at least 2 possibly 3 of those prospects to their blueline THIS YEAR  man three rookies on an already horrible blueline obviously this won't happen but wouldn't it be funny ;D |
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Post by Habit on Jul 22, 2003 15:36:44 GMT -5
and what's good is...no 1st rounder in the last draft and no 2nd in 04(the Wesley deal) so it's not like adding top prospects to the system will happen just like that. The Laffs might be awarded a 2nd for loosing Wesley, if they don't sigh a free agent of equal or better quality. At least that is what I think happens when you loose a player to UFA?  |
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Post by Pam on Jul 22, 2003 16:32:47 GMT -5
Every now and then when there is nothing new here at HabsRus, I venture over to the lowly sportsnet forums to see what they are talking about (man can you ever tell the difference in maturity and knowledge). Lateralus, don't judge Leafs fans by the ones you see on Sportsnet. Most of us consider those Leafs fans as unrealistic. Most of the good ones (which there aren't many) on Sportsnet find a good forum to go to because they get disgusted with most of the Leafs fans who reside there. I have a few on my Forum that used to be on Sportsnet. I've only looked at Sportsnet a few times and I happen to agree with you regarding most Leafs fans on Sportsnet, and so do my Leafs members who left it (or who only pop in there once in a while now). |
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Post by Lateralus on Jul 22, 2003 17:25:12 GMT -5
Hey Pam
The maturity and knowledge crack on sportsnet goes to most posters (not just leafs fans). Someone posted a question on age there, and most posters that replied were 15 years and younger, so you can see where the mentality is at there. I myself was on sportsnet until I ventured on over here; I got sick of the bashing and unrealistic conversations you would get into, when all you want is some good old hockey talk.
Its good to know that there are normal hockey fans out there (including Leaf fans), I guess you just have to find them.
And finally.....
GO HABS... to a year of youth movement, lets hope for speedy learning!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 22, 2003 19:29:18 GMT -5
At least that is what I think happens when you loose a player to UFA? Yes, with the really good ones like Fedorov and Hatcher. Wesley will fetch the Laffs a 4th rounder as compensation in all likeklyhood. |
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Post by GARB08 on Jul 22, 2003 20:55:34 GMT -5
15-16 year olds can post smart oppions. Look at me ;D
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 22, 2003 22:19:55 GMT -5
15-16 year olds can post smart oppions. Look at me ;D what is an oppions? ;D |
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Post by Rimmer on Jul 23, 2003 5:06:59 GMT -5
I don't no about the other Leafs' prospects but Tellqvist I've seen play at this year's WC in Finland and I was very impressed. He was arguably the best goalie of the tournament. IMO, he looked and played with maturity beyond his age. I was especially amazed with his calmness in close situations and when challenging shooters one on one.
of course, this doesn't guarantee anything and it could be just a thing of the moment but I would predict him becoming at least as good as Salo.
R.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jul 23, 2003 7:15:59 GMT -5
Lateralus, don't judge Leafs fans by the ones you see on Sportsnet. Most of us consider those Leafs fans as unrealistic. Most of the good ones (which there aren't many) on Sportsnet find a good forum to go to because they get disgusted with most of the Leafs fans who reside there. I have a few on my Forum that used to be on Sportsnet. I've only looked at Sportsnet a few times and I happen to agree with you regarding most Leafs fans on Sportsnet, and so do my Leafs members who left it (or who only pop in there once in a while now). Hey Pam, I have noticed you mentionning that you have a forum a few times...I was wondering if you could please give me a link to it...I like to take a look around when things get slow! thanks, THF |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 23, 2003 9:38:38 GMT -5
Oppions are a cross between apples and onions. They go really well with pork dishes. |
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Post by Pam on Jul 23, 2003 13:31:20 GMT -5
Hey Pam The maturity and knowledge crack on sportsnet goes to most posters (not just leafs fans). Someone posted a question on age there, and most posters that replied were 15 years and younger, so you can see where the mentality is at there. I myself was on sportsnet until I ventured on over here; I got sick of the bashing and unrealistic conversations you would get into, when all you want is some good old hockey talk. Its good to know that there are normal hockey fans out there (including Leaf fans), I guess you just have to find them. And finally..... GO HABS... to a year of youth movement, lets hope for speedy learning!! I know what you mean about Sportsnet. My Forum is a Private Invitation Only Leafs Forum. People get Nominated and then Voted in as new members. The reason for that is because most of my members are Refugees from bad Hockey or Leafs Forums. 18 months ago the discussion came up about trying to keep my forum a secret so the "rose coloured glasses" set of Leafs fans, and the Leafs fans that bash even other Leafs fans, from finding my Forum. That's when we decided to make it invitation only. It's small but we keep the riff raff out that way. If we do end up with a member who eventually goes bad, they don't last too much longer in the Forum. In the invitation process, when someone is nominated we view the posts of that person on their current forum. That's how I was introduced to Sportsnet. They really have some bad people there. But don't let age fool you. Some very good fans are 15 and 16 years old. Sometimes they are smarter and more knowledgeable than some of the older fans. As for me, if I posted here as much as I used to, I wouldn't be a stranger to you. Even though I am in California, I travel to Ontario during hockey season and I am a friend of CO and Disgruntled. Great guys for sure. I've been a member of HabsRus since about April of 2000.  And I am not allergic to the Habs or nice Habs fans.  I hope the Habs have a good year for you (but not better than the Leafs year ;D). |
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He'd look good as a Hab...
man three rookies on an already horrible blueline 
And I am not allergic to the Habs or nice Habs fans. 