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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 9, 2003 21:06:19 GMT -5
Here's the link, guys. www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=53364I don't know what they're paying him; $3.5 million is the skinny, but I like the signing. They may have gotten older, but I think Jr. did well on this one. Nieuwendyk will add experience. The only problem is, he hasn't that many younger players to tutor. He might be getting a tad injury-prone, but he's still a 500-goal scorer. I think he'll help them. Want a grenade? I know the Habs have to develop their youth, but I think he would have made Koivu's job that much easier if he landed in Montreal. May be, or may not be right; just an opinion. Cheers. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Sept 9, 2003 21:10:27 GMT -5
as I said at the non Habs board, too bad he ain't a d-man.  The Key IMO is does he push Antropov to RW ? |
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Post by madhabfan on Sept 9, 2003 21:12:47 GMT -5
Sundin- 6'5 Antropov- 6'6 Nieuwendyk- 6'2 Koivu- 5'10 Ribeiro- 5'11 (125 lb) Perreault- 5'11 YAY Habs !  C'mon Bob, we've got to get bigger down the middle, and quickly. Nieuwendyk was the only player I wanted to sign this year. Good signing for the leafs. |
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Post by The Edge on Sept 9, 2003 21:34:35 GMT -5
Gilmour out.
Newy in.
Could the Buds get older?
Sundin, Roberts, Nolan, etc.
They should keep Dougie and Housley, then sign Macinis.
Gilmour, Roberts, Niewendyk, Housley, MaCinis.
1989 repeat, watch out.
Is Mike Vernon available?
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Post by PTH on Sept 9, 2003 22:05:33 GMT -5
Nieuwie is a decent fit on an ageing club trying to have one last go at the Cup, or at least a serious Cup run.
For the Habs, he wouldn't have brought all that much more than Perreault would. I'd rather have Joe, but when you have Yanic around and people think even he's old and should be moved aside for youth, but Joey is far older and has little chance of lasting post-lockout.
Decent enough signing for Toronto, but we didn't miss out on anyone who could really help us, either.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 9, 2003 22:09:38 GMT -5
Nieuwie is a decent fit on an ageing club trying to have one last go at the Cup, or at least a serious Cup run. For the Habs, he wouldn't have brought all that much more than Perreault would. I'd rather have Joe, but when you have Yanic around and people think even he's old and should be moved aside for youth, but Joey is far older and has little chance of lasting post-lockout. Decent enough signing for Toronto, but we didn't miss out on anyone who could really help us, either. I don't know PTH. If anything at all, Nieuwie would've brought in some much-needed experience. You have to admit, we have some offensive prospects that would've benefited from his presence. If that meant letting Perreault go, heck, why not? I honestly thought he could've helped us out to tell you the truth. Cheers. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 9, 2003 23:03:20 GMT -5
I think he's a good addition to any team, though the Leafs probably over-payed for him. Can't scoff at his resume, however: 3 teams.. 3 cups, and 500 goals to boot.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 10, 2003 2:44:26 GMT -5
I think he's a good addition to any team, though the Leafs probably over-payed for him. Can't scoff at his resume, however: 3 teams.. 3 cups, and 500 goals to boot. He scored 500 goals but he won't get to 1,000 goals. His best performances and goals are behind him. Leafs run at the cup. It's more like a bunch of old men with walkers. Ain't gonna happen. At least we are building for the future, not pretending that we are almost there. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 10, 2003 8:41:57 GMT -5
No joke, I would have made a run for Nieuwendyk. A one year deal for a couple million would have been low risk for the Habs, but would add a much needed dose of toughness, experience, and leadership. Not to mention some size down the middle, even if the guy is 38 and on his last gasps.
Even though I have absolutely no expectations that the 2003-04 Habs will be a playoff team, I'm a bit disappointed that Gainey didn't (seemingly) try to do something that would help give the team a bit of a boost coming off a miserable season.
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Post by blny on Sept 10, 2003 8:53:32 GMT -5
Whether it would have helped the Habs is semantic. He was never gonna sign with us, had we pursued him. Joe knew he was gonna get a pay cut for the upcoming year, and really wanted to play with Gary Roberts. If you're gonna get a lesser offer from everyone, why not play where you want. Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long to get done.
I don't know how effective he can be anymore either. His knees are toast, and have been for a long time. Joe put up okay numbers on a really good NJ team last year. I'll be surprised if he matches them this year, and would have been really surprised (if in Montreal) he came even close. He is more responsible defensively than Perreault, but his age and health are big detractors for me.
The signing makes sense in Leafland. They're already old. They know they have a very small group of legitimate prospects (despite what Peddie says on OTR). They know that the new CBA (whenever it gets done) will hamper they're spending so why not get guy who fits their profile. They're in a win now mindset, and Joe (if healthy) can do that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2003 9:00:02 GMT -5
I don't think we have a need for him; let him play with all the other old fogies in TO.
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Post by Montrealer on Sept 10, 2003 9:03:33 GMT -5
Either Toronto pulls off a repeat of 1967 (undoubtedly harder, much harder to do in today's NHL) or they won't see a Cup for at least another five years.
Once you pull away the deadwood, there's not much left in the cupboard.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Sept 10, 2003 9:12:28 GMT -5
As Bob McCowan said on the Fan 590, older players only want to sign in Toronto because they are overpaid and only 1 hour away from their cottages when they go out in the first round.
I think Joe would have been a good second line center for Montreal taking the pressure off Koivu, but Ribero and Perrault would have to either be moved or reassigned since everyone seems to agree they are not third or fourth line centers.
With the Leafs looking for a cup run and no defense can we offer Brisebois and one of Dykhuis/Traverse/Bullion for Antropov?
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Post by blaise on Sept 10, 2003 9:35:03 GMT -5
Someone (not I) might start a pool on which year most of the Leafs will choose to retire simultaneously and reveal them as a de facto expansion team.
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Post by MPLABBE on Sept 10, 2003 9:50:09 GMT -5
With the Leafs looking for a cup run and no defense can we offer Brisebois and one of Dykhuis/Traverse/Bullion for Antropov? Maybe if Ferguson Sr takes over the Leafs GM post and comes back to being a Habs fan ;D I'd imagine Antropov is about as close to an untouchable as one can get in Toronto right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2003 17:06:41 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Sept 10, 2003 18:30:36 GMT -5
I don't know PTH. If anything at all, Nieuwie would've brought in some much-needed experience. You have to admit, we have some offensive prospects that would've benefited from his presence. If that meant letting Perreault go, heck, why not? I honestly thought he could've helped us out to tell you the truth. Cheers. Well, getting rid of a player isn't always all that easy. Would eating 500K-1 mill to make Perreault tradeable, added to Nieuwies salary, still make an attractive proposition ? I don't think so. Also, with Joey in place, it's just about impossible to give Ribeiro a chance; Yanic can be moved aside for Ribs, Joey couldn't be. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 10, 2003 18:46:31 GMT -5
Sundin- 6'5 Antropov- 6'6 Nieuwendyk- 6'2 Koivu- 5'10 Ribeiro- 5'11 (125 lb) Perreault- 5'11 YAY Habs ! C'mon Bob, we've got to get bigger down the middle, and quickly. Nieuwendyk was the only player I wanted to sign this year. Good signing for the leafs. Add Travis Greene to the forth line and that's not too bad at centre. Heck, Darcy Tucker's actual position is centre and that even adds to the depth. The only things they're missing are offensive prospects. That's going to catch up with them soon enough. They are stronger with Nieuwendyk though. Cheers. |
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