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Post by habmeister on May 15, 2004 21:04:12 GMT -5
I have it from a reliable source that bertuzzi was left off the roster because bettman won't commit to anything as far as re-instating him. Apparenly team canada wanted to name him, but didn't get the impression from bettman that he would re-instate him for the world cup.
The source that i had for this, bob nicholson. As some of you know i'm a ticket scalper here on the west coast, and i am at the memorial cup in kelowna. I saw bob in one of the tents and asked him why. Anyway that is what he said and he didn't seem to be very impressed with bettman.
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Post by seventeen on May 16, 2004 0:02:09 GMT -5
So you're in Kelowna, H & C? Tickets and time were too rich for my blood, especially after watching that snoozefest the Rockets put on today. Sure hope someone beats their pants off. The entertainment value of juniour hockey is at stake. Bad enough that we see that junk in the NHL, but in Juniour hockey too? Nicholson was interviewed by Sportsnet, but they didn't ask that tough question, and I doubt BN would have answered it as he did to you. Interesting that he'd say that much. It sounds like Bettman is measuring the temperature. Sounds about right. No sense doing what's right, do what's politic.
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Post by Forum Ghost on May 16, 2004 0:29:17 GMT -5
I think that it's a smart move to leave him off. Because even if Bettman did re-instate Bertuzzi, it would've caused too much of a distraction for the team, what with the media circus that it would've created.
Besides, Bertuzzi didn't even have that glamorous of a year anyway. He only had 17G and 60P this season. Not numbers that one would expect from a player of Bertuzzi's ilk. His level of play this season was way below the standard that is expected of him.
Therefore, all in all, I think that it was a good choice to leave him off the roster. Team Canada is better off.
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Post by habmeister on May 16, 2004 12:52:11 GMT -5
So you're in Kelowna, H & C? Tickets and time were too rich for my blood, especially after watching that snoozefest the Rockets put on today. Sure hope someone beats their pants off. The entertainment value of juniour hockey is at stake. Bad enough that we see that junk in the NHL, but in Juniour hockey too? Nicholson was interviewed by Sportsnet, but they didn't ask that tough question, and I doubt BN would have answered it as he did to you. Interesting that he'd say that much. It sounds like Bettman is measuring the temperature. Sounds about right. No sense doing what's right, do what's politic. he was actually a pretty good guy, i was shocked that he didn't say more than a sentence or two to me. We talked for about ten minutes about it. So i got a real good impression of how much he likes bettman. You have to remember that bob is head of hockey canada, and bettman is trying to destroy hockey in canada. |
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Post by jkr on May 16, 2004 14:56:57 GMT -5
Besides, Bertuzzi didn't even have that glamorous of a year anyway. He only had 17G and 60P this season. Not numbers that one would expect from a player of Bertuzzi's ilk. His level of play this season was way below the standard that is expected of him. Therefore, all in all, I think that it was a good choice to leave him off the roster. Team Canada is better off. Agreed. We should be asking why players like Primeau & Nash were left off the team. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on May 17, 2004 12:15:59 GMT -5
I have it from a reliable source that bertuzzi was left off the roster because bettman won't commit to anything as far as re-instating him. Apparenly team canada wanted to name him, but didn't get the impression from bettman that he would re-instate him for the world cup. I don't buy that arguement. If Bert wasn't reinstated, they could select someone else later. No harm done. I think the possibility of distraction combined with the nature of the "assault" was the cause. He still may get on the team though. Injuries etc.... I can't see the logic behind selecting Yzerman. Bad knee, bad eye, and he'll play when he's too hurt to be effective. I've always been a huge Stevie Y fan, but he just looked old and slow this year. And Maltby? I would have liked to see another young guy like Nash go. So what if he didn't play. The experience of simply being there would do him a world of good. |
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Post by habmeister on May 18, 2004 2:11:58 GMT -5
I talked to another guy from hockey canada tonight at a bar in kelowna. They said they didn't take nash because he's young and has lots of time to play on canada. I thought that he should be taken if he's worthy. I should have asked why heatley was taken, isn't he just as young? I'd bet if nash went to the world championships he'd have been on team canada at the world cup.
Also they said that it was just a big party at the world championships, including the players, until the quarters, then they got serious.
I was at a bar that included: don meehan, shane churla, wendel clark, craig mctavish and a lot of other current and ex players. Funny thing is that wendel clark was right in front of me drinking a beer and i couldn't have cared less... Maybe if he played for the habs, but an ex-leaf...blech.
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Post by MC Habber on May 18, 2004 3:30:10 GMT -5
I still like the selection of Yzerman. He didn't look too old in these playoffs to me. With a relatively young team his leadership could be invaluable.
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Post by BadCompany on May 18, 2004 7:45:02 GMT -5
The guys on the radio were speculating yesterday that Bertuzzi might be the first call up if somebody is hurt and can’t play. They figure Gretzky knew it wouldn’t go over well now, so he passed on Bertuzzi, but he was very clear in pointing out that he asked Betteman about some guy “who has been suspended for three games.” He didn’t mention any names, but of course he was referring to Derian Hatcher, who is suspended for three games, and who almost certainly will be playing for Team USA. They figured Gretzky would wait a little bit for everything to die down, see if any criminal charges are laid (probably not) and then name Bertuzzi in the fall, saying “but the Americans did it.”
That’s what they were speculating, anyways.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on May 18, 2004 10:22:41 GMT -5
The guys on the radio were speculating yesterday that Bertuzzi might be the first call up if somebody is hurt and can’t play. They figure Gretzky knew it wouldn’t go over well now, so he passed on Bertuzzi, but he was very clear in pointing out that he asked Betteman about some guy “who has been suspended for three games.” He didn’t mention any names, but of course he was referring to Derian Hatcher, who is suspended for three games, and who almost certainly will be playing for Team USA. They figured Gretzky would wait a little bit for everything to die down, see if any criminal charges are laid (probably not) and then name Bertuzzi in the fall, saying “but the Americans did it.” That’s what they were speculating, anyways. Excellent. If true, we should see Perezhogin in the Habs lineup out of training camp. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 18, 2004 12:16:16 GMT -5
Excellent. If true, we should see Perezhogin in the Habs lineup out of training camp. Would you really want to do that? Guarantee a rookie a spot on the roster? I mean, that’s what you would be doing, no? You can’t send him to the AHL, and he can’t go to Europe afterwards, he’d be stuck on the Canadiens roster. What happens if he stinks it up? Perezhoghin is a prime prospect, but he was by no means a shoo-in to make the team next season. In the mix, for sure, but not a guarantee. What happens if he goes 17 games without a goal, and his confidence is clearly shot? Do you tell Chris Higgins “sorry Chris, we know you scored 12 goals in pre-season, and Alex only scored 1, but well, he clocked a guy in the face, see…” Do you cut Pierre Dagenais right now? Do you just play the whole season one roster spot less, keeping Perezhogin in the stands night after night? |
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Post by MC Habber on May 18, 2004 14:45:46 GMT -5
The guys on the radio were speculating yesterday that Bertuzzi might be the first call up if somebody is hurt and can’t play. They figure Gretzky knew it wouldn’t go over well now, so he passed on Bertuzzi, but he was very clear in pointing out that he asked Betteman about some guy “who has been suspended for three games.” He didn’t mention any names, but of course he was referring to Derian Hatcher, who is suspended for three games, and who almost certainly will be playing for Team USA. They figured Gretzky would wait a little bit for everything to die down, see if any criminal charges are laid (probably not) and then name Bertuzzi in the fall, saying “but the Americans did it.” That’s what they were speculating, anyways. I don't think Hatcher's case is comparable to Bertuzzi's. Hatcher was suspended for 3 NHL league games - I don't see why that would affect his status at the World Cup. Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely which apparently covers all NHL-sponsored events. |
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