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Post by blny on Jun 7, 2004 7:05:37 GMT -5
Cruisin' Spector's put a couple of thoughts into my head.
First, if Keenan opts to move Weiss as many predict, would you go after him. Steve has a lot of ability, but not a lot of size. My thinking is that at this point, he could potentially be had cheap. Perhaps Higgins is a better option at this point. Still, Weiss has a lot of promise.
Second is Isbister. I know, I know. Chad Kilger all over again. There are reports that Edmonton may look to dump him at the draft. The reports also say that Edmonton may choose to cut him loose at the risk of losing him so they can bring him back cheaper. What would it take to get him? Would he be a good risk for a second line LW? Julien's system has allowed a previously frustrating prospect to flourish. Could he do the same for Brad? His blend of size and speed is a compelling mix. I'd be willing to take the chance if the price was right.
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2004 13:29:02 GMT -5
Well BLNY, here's what I think ...... Fifty views and not even one reply?  ;D |
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Post by PTH on Jun 10, 2004 16:07:09 GMT -5
I read it, and there's just nothing much that comes to mind....
I don't see us as being able to give up anything of value for Weiss, and Isbister is too injury-prone for an injury-prone team.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 10, 2004 23:47:06 GMT -5
I don't see anything that special in Isbister. He hasn't shown to be anything more than a third-line NHL forward. If that's what we'd be getting him for, then I'd rather give up nothing and let Ward do the job. I used to be really high on Isbister a couple of years ago but I've seen a lot of him since he's been a member of the Oil and there's nothing that gets me excited about him. As you mentioned BLNY, he seems like Chad Kilger Pt. II.
As for Weiss, as PTH pointed out, I don't think that the Habs have the assets to pry him out of Florida. Weiss is a highly touted prospect so I'm assuming that it would be quite costly to obtain him. With Koivu and Ribs (and Higgins in the pipeline), I don't think that there's really a need on the Habs for a centerman with Weiss' size.
Besides, I think that Florida needs Stephen Weiss, so I don't see any reason why they would want to move him.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2004 8:48:12 GMT -5
I don't see anything that special in Isbister. He hasn't shown to be anything more than a third-line NHL forward. If that's what we'd be getting him for, then I'd rather give up nothing and let Ward do the job. I used to be really high on Isbister a couple of years ago but I've seen a lot of him since he's been a member of the Oil and there's nothing that gets me excited about him. As you mentioned BLNY, he seems like Chad Kilger Pt. II. As for Weiss, as PTH pointed out, I don't think that the Habs have the assets to pry him out of Florida. Weiss is a highly touted prospect so I'm assuming that it would be quite costly to obtain him. With Koivu and Ribs (and Higgins in the pipeline), I don't think that there's really a need on the Habs for a centerman with Weiss' size. Besides, I think that Florida needs Stephen Weiss, so I don't see any reason why they would want to move him. All good points. I mention Weiss, because Keenan didn't seem to like him very much when he was coaching the Panthers. There were rumblings that Weiss might be dealt at that point. I think they'll heat up again. Weiss isn't big, but he plays bigger than Ribs, and does it with more speed. Don't forget that Higgins is being groomed for a LW role too. I don't think that has changed. I think Higgins may be our John Madden of the future (albeit from the left instead of the right). I admit to grasping at straws somewhat with Isbister. My thinking is that if Julien can do wonders for Ribs and Ryder, perhaps he can for Brad too. Many had seen Bertuzzi-like attributes in Isbister. It's why Milbury was so reluctant to deal him. It could be something to consider if Hossa doesn't pan out. Perhaps a Hossa deal for Isbister. Two players not working in their current systems. Perhaps Hemsky and Rita could light a fire under Hossa. Brad would be cheaper than a free agent signing, and if he didn't work out it's sort of an "oh well, we gave it a shot". |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 2, 2004 18:02:50 GMT -5
Cruisin' Spector's put a couple of thoughts into my head. First, if Keenan opts to move Weiss as many predict, would you go after him. Steve has a lot of ability, but not a lot of size. My thinking is that at this point, he could potentially be had cheap. Perhaps Higgins is a better option at this point. Still, Weiss has a lot of promise. Second is Isbister. I know, I know. Chad Kilger all over again. There are reports that Edmonton may look to dump him at the draft. The reports also say that Edmonton may choose to cut him loose at the risk of losing him so they can bring him back cheaper. What would it take to get him? Would he be a good risk for a second line LW? Julien's system has allowed a previously frustrating prospect to flourish. Could he do the same for Brad? His blend of size and speed is a compelling mix. I'd be willing to take the chance if the price was right. I thought Radek Bonk was the Chad Kilger du jour! Big, highly regarded prospect who disappoints in production as opposed to Dagenais who is big, lightly regarded and produces. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 2, 2004 19:53:10 GMT -5
I thought Radek Bonk was the Chad Kilger du jour! Big, highly regarded prospect who disappoints in production as opposed to Dagenais who is big, lightly regarded and produces. C'mon, Bonk's point totals are way above Kilger's--and Dagenais'. Also, Bonk can check. It should be obvious why Bonk has played in the NHL and Dagenais in the minors. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 4, 2004 15:32:56 GMT -5
C'mon, Bonk's point totals are way above Kilger's--and Dagenais'. Also, Bonk can check. It should be obvious why Bonk has played in the NHL and Dagenais in the minors. I agree. To the people that criticize Bonk (and not just Habsrus posters) please carefully study Bonk's stats. All it takes is a few minutes on www.hockeydb.com. You may be surprised. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 4, 2004 15:36:48 GMT -5
I thought Radek Bonk was the Chad Kilger du jour! Big, highly regarded prospect who disappoints in production as opposed to Dagenais who is big, lightly regarded and produces. This comparison makes no sense. Knowledgable hockey people in Ottawa ( including Savard & Gauthier) felt Bonk was good enough to play for the Sens for a decade. Kilger has beem a big disappointment wherever he has landed and at close to the same age is now playing for his sixth team. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 4, 2004 19:32:43 GMT -5
I thought Dagenais was re-signed to take Langdon's place not play third-line center. ;D Bonk doesn't have to worry about competition from that quarter.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 5, 2004 16:27:43 GMT -5
I agree. To the people that criticize Bonk (and not just Habsrus posters) please carefully study Bonk's stats. All it takes is a few minutes on www.hockeydb.com. You may be surprised. A big center drafted first round #3 overall playing on a high scoring team like the Senators should score more than 25 goals a year in his best year. I'n not saying he is terrible, but he didn't live up to the expectations of a #3 overall draft pick. Kilger wasn't terrible either but he fell short of the expectations of a big fast skating forward. There are parallels. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 5, 2004 16:41:54 GMT -5
A big center drafted first round #3 overall playing on a high scoring team like the Senators should score more than 25 goals a year in his best year. I'n not saying he is terrible, but he didn't live up to the expectations of a #3 overall draft pick. Kilger wasn't terrible either but he fell short of the expectations of a big fast skating forward. There are parallels. There are parallels, but there's quite a distance between these guys - Bonk has shown himself to be a useful player on a top team, Kilger has shown himself to be a spare part on some pretty bad teams. Also, the day after the draft, draft position means nothing.... |
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