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Post by TheHabsfan on Aug 19, 2004 7:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Aug 19, 2004 10:05:25 GMT -5
No problem -- the solid defense core will make the difference. ;D Lot's of guys available -- maybe they want Potvin back!
How much did Belfour sign for? and don't you think that if you knew the guy was falling apart you have him checked out before guaranteeing him 7 plus for two seasons?
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Post by duster on Aug 19, 2004 12:00:54 GMT -5
Bah. Glenn Healy will soon be saying that Dafoe is the best goalie in the league after Belfour. No worries. ;D
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Post by jkr on Aug 19, 2004 19:58:27 GMT -5
Bah. Glenn Healy will soon be saying that Dafoe is the best goalie in the league after Belfour. No worries. ;D Agreed. Healy tailors his comments to suit leaf fans. He actually thought Chad Kilger was a great pickup.  |
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Post by jkr on Aug 19, 2004 20:01:06 GMT -5
If Belfour will be out until January let's hope for an early settlement. Watters says Dafoe's price will be low. Did he mention the reason for that? Maybe it is because Byron can't stop pucks any more. |
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Post by roke on Aug 19, 2004 23:37:13 GMT -5
Agreed. Healy tailors his comments to suit leaf fans. He actually thought Chad Kilger was a great pickup. Didn't someone ( a analyst) say that when Ferguson Jr. got Kilger that he was looking out for the Leafs future? When I heard that I almost fell to the floor laughing. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Aug 21, 2004 2:49:19 GMT -5
I don't think that we should blame the Leafs or their media/fans for liking the Kilger acquisition.
Remember, that we were just as excited when Kilger came to Montreal.
It's only when you get to see him on a day-to-day basis that you realize how much of a bust he is.
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Post by PTH on Aug 21, 2004 10:22:17 GMT -5
I don't think that we should blame the Leafs or their media/fans for liking the Kilger acquisition. Remember, that we were just as excited when Kilger came to Montreal. It's only when you get to see him on a day-to-day basis that you realize how much of a bust he is. Still, he wasgenerally viewed as a reclamation project, and that was a few years ago after which he was placed on waivers, after getting signed to a cheap deal, less than a qualifying offer would've been, as I recall. None of that screams "we're looking out for the future and this guy is the real deal" to me.... |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 21, 2004 19:08:09 GMT -5
No problem -- the solid defense core will make the difference. ;D Lot's of guys available -- maybe they want Potvin back! How much did Belfour sign for? and don't you think that if you knew the guy was falling apart you have him checked out before guaranteeing him 7 plus for two seasons? If Belfour is out for any length of time the insurance will kick in and the Leafs won;t lose a dime. In fact they theoretically will have 7 million more to spend on free agents and trade deadline acquisitions. |
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Post by blaise on Aug 21, 2004 22:08:52 GMT -5
Not if he plays part of the season. The insurer won't cover all of his salary, and there's probably a deductible.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 22, 2004 10:18:39 GMT -5
23.3. (a) The Clubs and the NHLPA shall also maintain in effect a career ending disability policy providing for a one-time benefit, subject to the release requirements set forth in Section 23.4 hereof, in the event a player who is on a Club Playing Roster suffers a career ending disability. Disability must be due to an injury or illness which results solely and independently of any other cause. Disability shall be considered career-ending if the player is continuously disabled for a period of 12 months and permanently prevented from playing professional hockey. Benefit coverage is dependent upon age at date of disability, as outlined below: Players Age NHL NHLPA
Sponsored Disability Benefit (U.S.$) Sponsored Disability Benefit (U.S.$)
Under 21 $100,000 $ 50,000
21 to 26 $200,000 $100,000
27 $160,000 $ 80,000
28 $120,000 $ 60,000
29 $ 80,000 $ 40,000
30 and over $ 40,000 $ 20,000 Any player who has not completed at least 70 NHL regular season and/or post-season games shall receive the same benefit as those under age 21, regardless of the player's actual age. Any player on a Player's Contract that is deemed to be a "Termination Contract" in accordance with Transition Rule 4B shall be excluded from this coverage. (b) The Clubs and the NHLPA shall also maintain in effect a serious disability policy providing for a one-time benefit of $600,000 US ($400,000 US NHL policy, $200,000 US NHLPA policy), subject to the release requirements (set forth in Section 23.4 hereof), in the event a player who is on a NHL Club's Playing Roster suffers a disability resulting from blindness, dismemberment, paralysis, or brain damage. The benefit shall be payable after 12 months of disability in place of the age related disability benefit set forth in Section 23.3(a) hereof. Any Player on a Player's Contract that is deemed to be a "Termination Contract" in accordance with Transition Rule 4B shall be eligible for this coverage. (c) The NHLPA shall also maintain in effect a career-ending disability policy providing for a one-time benefit for any player on a Player's Contract that is deemed to be a "Termination Contract" in accordance with Transition Rule 4B, subject to the release requirements (set forth in Section 23.4 hereof), in the event a player suffers a career-ending disability. Disability must be due to an illness or accident, unrelated to players' duties with the Clubs, and shall be considered career-ending if the player is continuously disabled for a period of 12 months and permanently prevented from playing professional hockey. Players on a Player Contract that is deemed to be a "Termination Contract" in accordance with Transition Rule 4B shall be covered for a benefit equal to the unearned balance of their playing contract to a maximum of $200,000 US. (d) The details of coverage provisions and exclusions which have been agreed upon in Section 23.3(a), (b) and (c) are set forth in policies currently in effect, and on record with the NHL and NHLPA, as the case may be. 23.4. A player under contract who is disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey player by reason of an injury sustained during the course of his employment as a hockey player, including travel with his team or on business requested by his Club, shall be entitled to receive his remaining salary due in accordance with the terms of his contract for the remaining stated term of his contract as long as the said disability and inability to perform continue but in no event beyond the expiration date of the fixed term of his contract, which fixed term shall in no event be deemed to include any option period related to a playing season after the League Year in which the injury occurred. In consideration of payment of such salary, as well as payments made by the Club to fund the Hospital, Major Medical and Dental Plan, payments made by the Club to provide Career Ending Disability Insurance and other consideration, the player does hereby covenant that in the event he files a claim under such Career Ending Disability Insurance (unless such claim is not paid), he personally releases and will release, and will cause his corporation if a corporate contract is involved, to release the Club, the League, the NHLPA, all other Clubs, the Underwriters, and the servants, employees, officers and agents of each of the above from any and every additional obligation, liability, claim or demand whatsoever for such salary or arising out of such injury or the treatment thereof, including without limitation liability in tort, and extending to all damages, whenever arising. The Releases which a player shall sign in order to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability Insurance are attached hereto as Exhibits 11 and 12. The Releases which the NHL and the NHLPA shall sign in order for a player to receive benefits under the Career Ending Disability Insurance are attached as Exhibits 9 and 10. The player shall also be required to sign an Undertaking form, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit 13. Such a player who is thus permanently disabled from performing as a hockey player and as a result is compelled to retire prematurely from the League and who is entitled to benefits that had vested under the pension plan or plans described in Article 21 hereof shall be entitled to have additional contributions made on his behalf in accordance with the requirements of such pension plan and Article 21 until such contributions, together with contributions previously made on his behalf, would represent contributions for 5 playing seasons in the aggregate. The funds to provide such additional contributions shall be paid from the National Hockey League Players Emergency Fund. Any disagreement as to disability or inability to perform shall be determined conclusively by doctors of the Club and of the player, and, in the event said doctors are unable to agree, by an independent doctor selected by said doctors. 23.5. The Clubs shall pay the cost of a hospital, major medical and dental plan for the players that provides benefits agreed upon through collective bargaining between the NHLPA and the Clubs. The nature and extent of the benefits currently provided are set forth in writing in the plan description distributed to each player and shall be deemed to be incorporated into and be a part of this Agreement. The NHL shall enter into an agreement with an insurance company providing for such benefits, and the payment of premiums by the Clubs shall be made directly to the insurance carrier through the League. The administration of the Hospital, Major Medical and Dental Plan shall be the responsibility of the NHLPA and the insurance carrier; provided that no change shall be made in the Plan and provided further that the Clubs and the NHLPA shall be entitled to have competitive bids submitted by other carriers and award made to the low bidder for any year or years during the term of this Agreement, subject to the consent of both the Clubs and the NHLPA, such consent not to be unreasonably withheld. Nothing in this Section is intended to prevent participation in the Plan by persons not covered by this Agreement at their expense or the purchase of additional benefits at the expense of the NHLPA or the participants in the Plan. 23.6. A retired player who has played in 160 or more NHL games shall have the right to continue in the Hospitalization and Medical Plan for life following his retirement without medical evidence of insurability upon his payment of the group premium rate, provided the player applies for coverage within 31 days of the date the player's coverage would have otherwise terminated. Coverage applied for later than 31 days after the player's coverage would otherwise have terminated will only be approved upon medical evidence of insurability and if applied for within the first 12 months of eligibility. - letsgopens.com/nhl_cba.php?id=23 |
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Post by blaise on Aug 22, 2004 10:26:47 GMT -5
This is interesting and informative but may not apply to Belfour's situation. The agreement cited above pertains to permanent disability. If he is not permanently disabled and is able to return to the game the Leafs will be responsible for at least a portion of his salary; the rest will be covered by insurance, and there may be a deductible clause in the insurance policy that must be bridged by the team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2004 17:48:34 GMT -5
Looks good on 'em.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 23, 2004 7:59:23 GMT -5
Belfour's back talkJust unfounded panicBy AL STRACHAN, TORONTO SUN The chances of the National Hockey League's season starting on time are slim. But if it does, the Maple Leafs might be without goaltender Ed Belfour for a few games. But that's about as serious an impact as Belfour's latest back injury is likely to have on the team. Speculation that he might miss the season or perhaps even be forced to retire is nothing more than misplaced hysteria. - slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/WorldCup/2004/08/22/597336.html
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2004 1:16:24 GMT -5
It probably won't hurt them that badly at first, since the season won't get going for a while. The real problem is that back problems rarely go away. I just got thumped at a game tonight (big galoot, 6' 5'' or thereabouts and 250 pounds, Shrugs me off like a rag doll and I landed about 90 feet away) and I felt it in my back. Fortunately ibuprofen is a marvellous drug and my muscles didnt spasm. But I don't have a bulging disc.
As an aside, I got called for a penalty (twisted ref) and as my behometh opponent picks me up he says, "I thought I was getting the penalty too". I think that's after I yelled "What!!!!" when the call went the other way. Ninety feet, honestly....well it felt like 90 feet.
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Post by blaise on Aug 24, 2004 14:51:57 GMT -5
Sounds as though in addition to getting a penalty you were at least one zone offsides after the hit.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 25, 2004 21:58:52 GMT -5
I should have subbed for the corner flag.
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Post by blaise on Aug 26, 2004 18:41:47 GMT -5
Belfour is said to have undergone successful surgery to his bulging disc, according to John Ferguson Jr.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2004 22:59:16 GMT -5
If one is going to have a bulge, a disc is not the best location.
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