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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on May 5, 2004 12:04:31 GMT -5
What do you guys think about signing this guy to a contract? I think it would be a great pick-up because Allison is a sniper and a great playmaker, he is big and tough also. He is coming off a near career-ending injury so the contract would be full of bonuses and the base salary would be very small. I would love to land this guy but I see Ottawa going after him because I think what they lack most of all(aside from an elite goaltender) is a star center and Allison is just that.
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Post by blny on May 5, 2004 12:41:43 GMT -5
When he's healthy he's a dynamite player. Trouble is that in the last two seasons he's played only 26 games (all in 2002-03). He had a decent record of health before that with only one season since 1996-97 where he played less than 73 games.
Aside from health, my concern would be contract. He made $8 million this season. He's certainly primed for a hefty pay cut. LA doesn't have much offense to spread around so you can bet they'll try hard to keep him. At 29 he may still have a lot of hockey left. As a second line centre (ie. behind Saku) he might have even more.
Still, it would take a fair chunk of change to sign him. I'm talking Koivu money. It's unrealistic to think that Montreal could even afford it with Kovalev and a raft of RFAs to sign. Perhaps if Alex isn't signed, it could be persued.
I'm inclined to give Ribs one more season. He had a bad playoff, but it was his first. He was a strength for us this season. Let's improve his supporting cast by looking for an upgrade at LW instead. If Ribs can't get it right next spring then look to move him. Mike should be capable of another 60 points season. That kind of production for $1m is something to be kept awhile longer.
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Post by HFTO on May 5, 2004 16:04:03 GMT -5
A healthy A..
Allisson is a no brainer and certainly the kind of player the Habs need.
Unfortunately its hard to offer anybody any type of contract not knowing what a new NHL may mean.
Not yet a true UFA what do you give up if you can swing a deal,he may never be able to play for any prolonged stretches given his injury and how he plays.
HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 5, 2004 20:13:30 GMT -5
A healthy A.. Allisson is a no brainer and certainly the kind of player the Habs need. Unfortunately its hard to offer anybody any type of contract not knowing what a new NHL may mean. Not yet a true UFA what do you give up if you can swing a deal,he may never be able to play for any prolonged stretches given his injury and how he plays. HFTO Boston was expected to fall apart when Allison left and Los Angeles expected to become a powerhouse. The Bruins made the playoffs in second place and the Kings were on the outside watching. In Los Angeles hockey circles, Jason is known only as the guy in the goalie mask. |
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Post by blaise on May 5, 2004 21:05:25 GMT -5
Boston was expected to fall apart when Allison left and Los Angeles expected to become a powerhouse. The Bruins made the playoffs in second place and the Kings were on the outside watching. In Los Angeles hockey circles, Jason is known only as the guy in the goalie mask. How far have the Bruins gotten in the playoffs since Allison left? Never past the first round. |
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Post by blny on May 6, 2004 6:28:15 GMT -5
How far have the Bruins gotten in the playoffs since Allison left? Never past the first round. LA's woes can't be put on the shoulders of Allison. That team has gone through a couple of seasons like Montreal had a while back. The injury bug was an all out epidemic for the Kings. Boston got Murray, Axelsson and what else in that deal? Murray was a no show in the playoffs this year, and Axelsson was not the player he has been. Injuries are the only reason that Boston (narrowly) comes out ahead in that deal. |
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Post by LeafSuck on May 6, 2004 6:49:08 GMT -5
If Allison was healthier, I'd go after him in a heart-beat. I believe he's averaging over a point per game since 2001... not alot of guys can say that
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Post by blny on May 6, 2004 8:37:57 GMT -5
If Allison was healthier, I'd go after him in a heart-beat. I believe he's averaging over a point per game since 2001... not alot of guys can say that Here's a link to his official stats: nhlpa.com/Content/THE_PLAYERS/player_bio.asp?ID=601996-97 WAS, NHL 53 5 17 22 25 -3 1 0 1 71 7.04 1996-97 BOS, NHL 19 3 9 12 9 -3 1 0 0 28 10.71 1997-98 BOS, NHL 81 33 50 83 60 33 5 0 8 158 20.89 1998-99 BOS, NHL 82 23 53 76 68 5 5 1 3 158 14.56 1999-00 BOS, NHL 37 10 18 28 20 5 3 0 1 66 15.15 2000-01 BOS, NHL 82 36 59 95 85 -8 11 3 6 185 19.46 2001-02 LOS, NHL 73 19 55 74 68 2 5 0 2 139 13.67 2002-03 LOS, NHL 26 6 22 28 22 9 2 0 3 46 13.04 Since 1996-97 Jason has played in 453 NHL games. That's an average of 64 games per year. In that time he's put up 419 points, with an average of 60 pts per season and .92 pts per game. The latter is very impressive in this era. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 6, 2004 9:49:40 GMT -5
I may have not been clear in my reply about Jason.
I think he's big, fast and talented. He can score when he's healthy.
If we added his salary to our payroll and ended up with another injured player (like Audette) it precludes us from seeking free agents and improving the team.
If jason is healthy he is a great addition.
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Post by blny on May 6, 2004 13:14:55 GMT -5
He is coming off a near career-ending injury so the contract would be full of bonuses and the base salary would be very small. Missed this the first time around. BG doesn't believe in bonuses for individual performance. |
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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on May 6, 2004 15:49:00 GMT -5
I didn't mean performance bonuses. I meant he will get his normal salary only if he plays a certain amount of games.. Gainey woud do that. LA will not make Allison a qualifying offer, he is too expensive for them... But maybe Gainey can lure him here and only pay him more than 1 million if he played atleast 65 games or so..
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Post by blaise on May 6, 2004 16:01:21 GMT -5
I didn't mean performance bonuses. I meant he will get his normal salary only if he plays a certain amount of games.. Gainey woud do that. LA will not make Allison a qualifying offer, he is too expensive for them... But maybe Gainey can lure him here and only pay him more than 1 million if he played atleast 65 games or so.. Gainey would have to be a hypnotist-magician-con artist to lure Allison here. Whether or not he missed games, the NHLPA would never permit such a contract. Not only would it not be guaranteed but it would be well under the league average. Naturally, neither would Allison accept such a deal. |
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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on May 6, 2004 16:03:56 GMT -5
i was just exagerating to make my point, because someone didn't understand before. the base would be like 3M and he would be able to make 3 more if he played enough games(that contract is very do-able considering how close he was to being forced to retire. His future is iffy and thats why his next contract will be very diferent.
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Post by blaise on May 6, 2004 17:58:55 GMT -5
i was just exagerating to make my point, because someone didn't understand before. the base would be like 3M and he would be able to make 3 more if he played enough games(that contract is very do-able considering how close he was to being forced to retire. His future is iffy and thats why his next contract will be very diferent. I'm sorry, but your exaggeration doesn't make your point to me. Please explain why Allison wouldn't be signed under a more normal contract by, say, the Bruins, which could certainly use his services. |
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Post by FormerLurker on May 6, 2004 18:09:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but your exaggeration doesn't make your point to me. Please explain why Allison wouldn't be signed under a more normal contract by, say, the Bruins, which could certainly use his services. Cause his head's full of porridge? |
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Post by Pam on May 6, 2004 18:32:36 GMT -5
After this entire season being out with that injury, do you think Allison will be as good as he used to be. I know he was good, but I would be leery of him now and not sure if he could be as good as he used to be. I know I would like the pre injury Allison, but I'd be worried this post injury Allison couldn't do for my team what he did before the injury. Neither of our teams needs a player that can't be what he used to be. I don't know if he's worth the gamble.
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Post by Skilly on May 6, 2004 21:53:13 GMT -5
After this entire season being out with that injury, do you think Allison will be as good as he used to be. I know he was good, but I would be leery of him now and not sure if he could be as good as he used to be. I know I would like the pre injury Allison, but I'd be worried this post injury Allison couldn't do for my team what he did before the injury. Neither of our teams needs a player that can't be what he used to be. I don't know if he's worth the gamble. Which pre-injury Allison? I don't know about any of you. But in the last eight season he has missed practically all of 3 of them. We already have a guy prone to injury on our team (Koivu), we don't need another. I am sure if we are willing to spend the money (6 Million I believe someone wanted to offer, contingent on games played) we could get a more dependable player for that money. |
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Post by insomnius on May 10, 2004 13:55:00 GMT -5
It isn't the prone to injury thing...Koivu gets hurt but can come back to play at the same level. A concussion is just not the same thing. Eric Lindros is a shadow of himself. Beukeboom is out. Brett Lindros never got a start. Lafontaine was never the same. Over and over players have been reduced to a mere reflection of their former selves by way of a severe concussion.
I wish Allison all the best.
He should never play hockey professionally again and I would not want his career ending injury to happen here. I hope that doesn't sound too cold. He's shown trememdous talent but I have absolutely no faith that he could return to previous form. I would also live in terror of him getting another concussion - for his own sake..you don't want anyone to end up a vegetable....
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Post by blny on May 10, 2004 21:03:06 GMT -5
I think Allison is suffering from something other than PCS. Deadmarsh is the one who should retire. He's had a lot of them and has a self-imposed deadline of this Fall. If he can't return to action by then he's quitting. Too bad too. Adam was a fine player blessed with speed, a good two way game, and grit to spare.
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Post by blny on May 10, 2004 21:05:40 GMT -5
I think Allison is suffering from something other than PCS. Deadmarsh is the one who should retire. He's had a lot of them and has a self-imposed deadline of this Fall. If he can't return to action by then he's quitting. Too bad too. Adam was a fine player blessed with speed, a good two way game, and grit to spare. My bad. Forgot he was suffering it too. A double whammy for LA. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 11, 2004 8:09:57 GMT -5
According to Bob McKenzie, Allison doesn’t actually have a concussion, but is suffering from severe whiplash. According to McKenzie, this has caused a chemical imbalance in Allison’s brain, which is being treated with drugs. Amongst other things, this causes vision problems.
I don’t know any of the medical info, other than that. Concussion’s are cumulative, and they are treated with rest, so this would *seem* to be good news for Allison; he doesn’t have any brain damage as he would with a concussion, he isn’t any more likely to suffer more injuries, and if the chemical imbalance thing is righted, it would *seem* he could resume his career. But I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know anything other than what I just wrote here.
As an aside, McKenzie’s son suffered from a pretty bad concussion, and was spending a significant amount of time with Dr. Karen Johnson, here in Montreal. So if anybody would know a lot about concussions, it would be McKenzie…
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Post by blaise on May 11, 2004 12:59:04 GMT -5
According to Bob McKenzie, Allison doesn’t actually have a concussion, but is suffering from severe whiplash. According to McKenzie, this has caused a chemical imbalance in Allison’s brain, which is being treated with drugs. Amongst other things, this causes vision problems. I don’t know any of the medical info, other than that. Concussion’s are cumulative, and they are treated with rest, so this would *seem* to be good news for Allison; he doesn’t have any brain damage as he would with a concussion, he isn’t any more likely to suffer more injuries, and if the chemical imbalance thing is righted, it would *seem* he could resume his career. But I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know anything other than what I just wrote here. As an aside, McKenzie’s son suffered from a pretty bad concussion, and was spending a significant amount of time with Dr. Karen Johnson, here in Montreal. So if anybody would know a lot about concussions, it would be McKenzie… At the risk of being skewered by HabsRus fans who resent extraneous displays of erudition, I'll put in my 2 cents. I have no idea of what McKenzie is talking about wnen he speaks of a chemical imbalance if it isn't associated with a brain injury. I'd prefer to get the information directly from Allison's neurologist than a garbled version from a layman who evidently doesn't understand the condition. Chronic whiplash with the symptoms mentioned here would probably be associated with some injury to the brain, cranial nerves, or the middle ear. The lesion would be evident on examination with sophisticated imaging technology. Assuming it is a brain injury, it might or might not heal over time. A wild guess not based on the factual information I'd like to get: It's Ménière's disease or other condition affecting the middle ear that produces vertigo. Why do I suspect it? Because Allison is being treated with drugs. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 11, 2004 13:55:16 GMT -5
Don't shoot the messenger: www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=78472Duthie: Jason Allison is another terrific centre. He missed the last 33 games of last season, and missed all of this season. Are we ever going to see this guy play again? McKenzie: That's a good question. A lot of people are talking about Allison having post-concussion syndrome. In fact, that's not the case. He's got a whiplash-type of injury that has caused a chemical imbalance in his brain. Right now, they are treating it with various medications, along with complete rest. In the last month or so, he's started to feel a lot better and he's optimistic that there's a chance he'll be able to play next year. I think you could probably put it at about 50-50 that he'll be a player next year - if they can get this condition under control. It causes his vision to go on him, that's the big problem. He can't see very well, which is a serious issue. In any case, he won't be back with the Los Angeles Kings. The Kings would have to qualify Allison at $8 million and that's not going to happen. He's going to become an unrestricted free agent. Allison is a prickly guy and Andy Murray can be a prickly coach. I don't think those two prickly guys get along very well together, so I think Allison will be looking for a new home next year. He'll likely get a contract that will be structured a lot like Eric Lindros' was - with a lot of game played incentives and performance bonuses, because no one is going to take a risk on this guy unless they know for sure that he can play some games. |
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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on May 11, 2004 13:59:49 GMT -5
thats exactly what i suggested. an eric lindros type contract.
if allison is healthy and stays healthy he is one of the best centres in the world.
i can see sens going after him if they're sure he's healthy but i want him on the habs..
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Post by blaise on May 11, 2004 14:06:06 GMT -5
Don't shoot the messenger: BC, it's not you I'm shooting, it's McKenzie. You're simply reporting what he said. Anyway, thanks for the link. I'll have to give some thought to the visual symptoms. That would seem to shoot down my hunch about Ménière's disease but it points right back to some brain lesion. Last thoughts on the subject:After giving the matter further thought, I'm puzzled by the length of time Allison has been suffering from these visual symptoms (roughly a year and a half). I'd need more specific information, including knowing what drugs he's taking. |
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Post by Skilly on May 12, 2004 19:40:17 GMT -5
BC, it's not you I'm shooting, it's McKenzie. You're simply reporting what he said. Anyway, thanks for the link. I'll have to give some thought to the visual symptoms. That would seem to shoot down my hunch about Ménière's disease but it points right back to some brain lesion. Last thoughts on the subject:After giving the matter further thought, I'm puzzled by the length of time Allison has been suffering from these visual symptoms (roughly a year and a half). I'd need more specific information, including knowing what drugs he's taking. Maybe not. David Duval had an extreme case of vertigo last year. I seem to remember an interview with him saying his was having vision problems and didn't feel right. The next week it was reported he had vertigo. |
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Post by KR on May 17, 2004 10:39:15 GMT -5
I think he's big, fast and talented. He may be big and talented, but fast he ain't. While I'd prefer a player of his type for the 2nd line to Ribeiro, I'd also be very wary of his health. I'll take a pass thanks. I'd much prefer to spend the money on Primeau. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 18, 2004 10:19:44 GMT -5
He may be big and talented, but fast he ain't. While I'd prefer a player of his type for the 2nd line to Ribeiro, I'd also be very wary of his health. I'll take a pass thanks. I'd much prefer to spend the money on Primeau. He would be fast skating beside Dagenais. |
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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on May 18, 2004 14:58:42 GMT -5
He may be big and talented, but fast he ain't. While I'd prefer a player of his type for the 2nd line to Ribeiro, I'd also be very wary of his health. I'll take a pass thanks. I'd much prefer to spend the money on Primeau. while primeau is a great player, you cant compare him to Allison. Allison is much more skilled, and just as tough and strong as Primeau. Jason is a pt per game player and is capable of even more. Primeau is a 50-60 pt player. While I would love Primeau, I would rather a healthy Allison and he may be fully recovered by the time the season starts, whenever that is. |
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Post by piston on May 23, 2004 15:11:41 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for, this guy is bad news. When healthy and motivated like in '01-'02, Allison can be a dominant player. He was super for us the second half of the season when we had the 2nd best record in hockey for a stretch. Played in Game 7 against the Avs with a severe thigh bruise that made it difficult to walk. Then he tore a ligament in his knee the next season and tried to come back too soon. While favoring his knee, he hurt his hip and was vulnerable to some hits that led to whiplash. He did not have a concussion.
Now for the bad news. A more selfish player or person you will never meet. Talk about dour, this guy makes your former PM seem like a rock star by comparison. He makes no effort ever with the fans, always looks like he would rather be somewhere else and is despised in the locker room. All he cares about is $ and will sell himself to the highest bidder no matter what. He made absolutely no effort tomake it back this season and didn't feel the slightest bit of guilt about cashing his $8 mm paycheck (see Hasek). Then he got into a war of words with Andy Murray in the press about how healthy he actually was. Now that the season (and his contract) is over, there are rumblings about 'improvement' and 'feeling better'. Apparently, there are other reasons that his brain has a 'chemical imbalance' but I have no proof other than a great deal of hearsay. Why the Kings did not sue his ass this year to recover some money is beyond me. At least we collected on the insurance money.
Allison has sold his house and is already mentally out of here. It would not surprise me at all, however, if we qualify him with a 2-way contract similar to what the Flyers did with Lindros. This allows us to pay him at the minor league level if he can't play or won't play for us. That way, we can get some value for him from Toronto or whomever is dumb enough to pick this guy up. The Boston fans were telling us the same thing about Allison when we got him. Shame on the Kings for not listening.
Phil
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