World Cup Canada Team

[Rimmer]

M. said:

The politicking surrounding the selection of coaches and coaching staff has been a continual thorn in the side of their international program, and has been one of the chief reasons top tier players have frequently refused to become involved.

Perhaps Tattac can explain this situation in more detail.

that's true, but it still doesn't explain the lack of quality goalie prospects in Russia. not that long ago i read an article on that subject and one thing i remember was the author mentioning how the work with young goalies is not as good as it is with young skaters. the author didn't offer a specific reason for that so take it for what it's worth.

the author also mentions that there hasn't been a star goalie in Russia since Tretiak which led to fewer kids wanting to become one. whether Khabi's recent success influences more kids in following his footsteps, will be known in at least 5-10 years.

I'd like to know what the great Vladimir Tretiak thinks about the matter.

R.

[Skilly]

Rimmer said:

I think a player must play for 5 years in the league(s) of another country before he is allowed to play for their national team and in that time he cannot play for his home country.

I know to become a Canadian citizen you have to be a resident for 3 or 4 years. So I would tend to think that 5 year number is high, or the rules have recently changed.

Petr Nedved was in North America for 4 years before he played on the Canadian National Team.

1 year with the Seattle Thunderbirds (would that qualify as US or Canada, or are they treated as one) and 3 years with Vancouver.

[Rimmer]

Skilly said:

I know to become a Canadian citizen you have to be a resident for 3 or 4 years. So I would tend to think that 5 year number is high, or the rules have recently changed.

Petr Nedved was in North America for 4 years before he played on the Canadian National Team.

1 year with the Seattle Thunderbirds (would that qualify as US or Canada, or are they treated as one) and 3 years with Vancouver.

at that time the only rule, I believe, was that you can change who you play for in IIHF competitions only if you didn't play for another country's senior national team. the exemption was granted to the players of the newly founded countries.

the new rule, which must have been instituted in the last few years, says that a player must play for 5 years, I believe, in the league(s) of his new country before he is granted eligibility to change national teams. this rule can only be excercised once during a player's career. at least, that's how i remember the rules...

I'll try to look it up later

EDIT:
It seems I was wrong. it's not 5 years but 4. I guess my memory isn't what it used to be...

from the IIHF site:

Nabokov represented Kazakhstan in the 1994 IIHF World Championship (C-Pool) at the age of 18 and therefore became, under the old IIHF Statues & Bylaws, ineligible to play for any other country. During the 2003 General Congress, the IIHF adopted a new eligibility rule which says that a player can change his national eligibility, providing he has played for at least four consecutive years in the national competition of his new country where he is a citizen.

Nabokov became, due to political circumstances out of his control, a border-case having played two years in Ust-Kamenogorsk while it belonged to the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) before transferring to Dynamo Moscow of the Russian league where he played for three seasons. After being drafted by the San Jose Sharks, Nabokov left Russia in 1997 to play for the Sharks' organisation in the American Hockey League.

"We took on a flexible attitude towards the request of the player and the Russian federation to switch the player's national eligibility," said IIHF General Secretary Jan-Ake Edvinsson. "It became very clear that Mr. Nabokov was a victim of historic circumstances which were totally out of his control and that it would be unfair to him not to approve the request."

Paragraph 204 f) in the IIHF Player Eligibility Rules reads: Exceptional Circumstances can be decided by council

R.

[Khorps]

Skilly said:

1 year with the Seattle Thunderbirds (would that qualify as US or Canada, or are they treated as one) and 3 years with Vancouver.

Pavel Bure became an American Citizen while playing for the Vancouver Canucks, so I think the consideration is 'legal address' rather than where their team is based.

... on searching the Net for dates, I'm reminded that he married an LA woman to enter the US in the first place. So maybe Bure's situation was different from Nedved (who played for Pittsburgh originally, didn't he?)

[Tattac]

Khorps said:

Pavel Bure became an American Citizen while playing for the Vancouver Canucks

How could he become an American citizen while playing in Canada? Or you mean a North American citizen?

[franko]

Tattac said:

How could he become an American citizen while playing in Canada? Or you mean a North American citizen?

It would probably have to do with the fact that he married an American citizen and had a "home address" in the States.

[Tattac]

franko said:

It would probably have to do with the fact that he married an American citizen and had a "home address" in the States.

As far as I know Pavel Bure has never been married. Valery Bure is married to an American. Besides I know that in order to receive an American citizenship, the couple must live in the US. It is a very long and complicated process.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Tattac said:

As far as I know Pavel Bure has never been married. Valery Bure is married to an American. Besides I know that in order to receive an American citizenship, the couple must live in the US. It is a very long and complicated process.

Yes, the residency requirement popped into my mind as well. That's pretty much an a priori condition world-wide.

I think $ and status might expedite the process. But perhaps not in such an egalitarian state as the USA

[Rimmer]

btw, the NHL is exempted from the eligibility rule, i.e., playing in the NHL doesn't count as playing for at least four consecutive years in the national competition of player's new country where he is a citizen.

It is important to point out that the new rule cannot be taken advantage of by IIHF players who become Canadian or US-citizens and play in the National Hockey League for at least four years.

www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr2603.htm

R.

[cigarviper]

Strummerman said:

Souray and Mccabe are not that old and pretty hungry and I doubt hannah and Regehr are better. Canada showed defects tonight against the Checks and most of it came from the young defence

Wow Strummer. You really think Bryan coughup-the-puck-miss-his-assignment-trying-to-make-the-big-hit MacCabe or our own Sheldon where'd-he-go Souray would have been better in these situations? Did you watch the playoffs?

[Skilly]

Khorps said:

Pavel Bure became an American Citizen while playing for the Vancouver Canucks, so I think the consideration is 'legal address' rather than where their team is based.

... on searching the Net for dates, I'm reminded that he married an LA woman to enter the US in the first place. So maybe Bure's situation was different from Nedved (who played for Pittsburgh originally, didn't he?)

Nedved after he defected played for the Seattle Thunderbirds. Then he played 3 years for Vancouver. The rules for becoming a canadian citizen are :

To become a Canadian citizen you must:

be 18 years of age or older;
be a permanent resident of Canada;
have lived in Canada for at least three of the four years before applying;
be able to communicate in either English or French;
know about Canada;
know about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship;
Please note that time spent in Canada before becoming a permanent resident may be counted towards becoming a Canadian citizen.

A child (under 18 years of age) must be a permanent resident of Canada to apply for Canadian citizenship. To apply on behalf of your child you must either:

already be a citizen; or
apply for citizenship together as a family.
Children do not need to have lived in Canada for three years before applying.



www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/becoming-howto.html

So Nedved had to reside in Canada for 3 years before applying, and his year in Seattle didn't matter.