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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2005 21:41:09 GMT -5
Me thinks that this thing is already rigged for the Rangers.
What is your guess? The one who guesses right, buys everyone beers and pizza burritos.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 17, 2005 0:26:50 GMT -5
The Forum ghosts will work their magic.
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Post by Habit on Jul 17, 2005 0:31:07 GMT -5
Too good to be true. When was the last time the Habs got a break? 25 years? Guy Lalfeur?
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Post by franko on Jul 17, 2005 7:16:00 GMT -5
LA. They then trade him to Montreal along with Garon for Theodore and Bonk.
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 17, 2005 14:47:30 GMT -5
Now that he is in Pittsburgh, I am wondering what the odds of him coming to Montreal in 7 years are. Is there a legitimate chance still of him coming or is it just a pipe dream? Would like to hear from others on this.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 17, 2005 15:05:01 GMT -5
Now that he is in Pittsburgh, I am wondering what the odds of him coming to Montreal in 7 years are. Is there a legitimate chance still of him coming or is it just a pipe dream? Would like to hear from others on this. He loves the Habs. But so do Théodore and Lecavalier. |
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Post by MC Habber on Aug 17, 2005 15:30:05 GMT -5
Now that he is in Pittsburgh, I am wondering what the odds of him coming to Montreal in 7 years are. Is there a legitimate chance still of him coming or is it just a pipe dream? Would like to hear from others on this. I think it depends entirely on how it goes in Pittsburgh. If the team has success and he likes it there, I doubt he'll be eager to leave, unless it's just for the last year or two of his career. But if things don't go so well there, he probably will want to go elsewhere by the time Mario has reretired, and if the Habs are competitive at that point, they might still be his first choice. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 17, 2005 16:32:24 GMT -5
He loves the Habs. But so do Théodore and Lecavalier. ...and Koivu and Corson and Martin Lapointe too and so many others... It's a business. He who pays gets the player. That's all there is to it 99% of the time. The odds of Crosby landing here are as good (or as bad) as the odds of him landing in Columbus. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 17, 2005 16:50:27 GMT -5
He loves the Habs. But so do Théodore and Lecavalier. ...and Koivu and Corson and Martin Lapointe too and so many others... It's a business. He who pays gets the player. That's all there is to it 99% of the time. The odds of Crosby landing here are as good (or as bad) as the odds of him landing in Columbus. The obvious and significant difference being that only one of the above mentioned players has actually signed with Montreal, and has publicly stated that he didn't want negotiations to drag out and is ready to begin negotiations on a long term contract as of January 1, 2006. The others are has-beens, pipe-dreams and moi-memes. |
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Post by MC Habber on Aug 17, 2005 20:33:19 GMT -5
The odds of Crosby landing here are as good (or as bad) as the odds of him landing in Columbus. I think that's going too far. Given equal offers from equally good Habs and Blue Jackets teams, I am pretty sure Crosby would choose the Habs. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 17, 2005 22:15:57 GMT -5
The odds of Crosby landing here are as good (or as bad) as the odds of him landing in Columbus. I am pretty sure Crosby would choose the Habs. ..I'm not. Lapointe actually wanted MORE from the HABS to play with them. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 17, 2005 22:25:25 GMT -5
...and Koivu and Corson and Martin Lapointe too and so many others... It's a business. He who pays gets the player. That's all there is to it 99% of the time. The odds of Crosby landing here are as good (or as bad) as the odds of him landing in Columbus. The obvious and significant difference being that only one of the above mentioned players has actually signed with Montreal, and has publicly stated that he didn't want negotiations to drag out and is ready to begin negotiations on a long term contract as of January 1, 2006. The others are has-beens, pipe-dreams and moi-memes. The only obvious and significant difference to me is that Koivu, to his own admittance, wanted a 1 yr deal which will lead to him being as free as a bird next summer to maximize his potential earning. Theo said he wants a long term deal that would maximize his potential earning here. Everything else is either embellishment or, in Theo’s case, the continuation of a 3yr year bashing campaign… |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 17, 2005 22:57:28 GMT -5
The obvious and significant difference being that only one of the above mentioned players has actually signed with Montreal, and has publicly stated that he didn't want negotiations to drag out and is ready to begin negotiations on a long term contract as of January 1, 2006. The others are has-beens, pipe-dreams and moi-memes.
«On ne sait pas comment les choses vont évoluer avec le nouveau contrat de travail et je ne voulais pas que les négociations traînent en longueur, a-t-il expliqué. Finalement, les deux parties sont à l'aise avec la situation. Ça nous donne un an pour voir comment ça va aller et pour se reparler.»
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"At the beginning of the summer I envisaged signing either a short or long term contract," he admitted, "but the more I thought about it, the more the path led to a one year contract."
"We don't know how things will go under the new CBA, and I didn't want the negotiations to drag out," he explained. "In the end both parties were comfortable with the situation. It will allow us to see how things go, and to resume talks at a later date."- tinyurl.com/cyvkzDoesn't sound as if Koivu is planning to go anywhere. * OTOH: The 28-year-old particularly likes the fact that he will be entitled to become an unrestricted free agent after this coming season.
In the summer of 2007, players who are 28 or have seven seasons will qualify. In 2008 — and for the remainder of the agreement —players who are 27 or have seven seasons of experience will qualify.
“Before you had to wait until you are 31, so I’m excited about that,” Theodore said. “It’s going to be a whole new ball game for me. There’s a lot of good things for players. A guy like Vinny Lecavalier (Tampa Bay Lightning) only has one more year and he can become a free agent.”- tinyurl.com/djk7yAn apparently different attitude. So what? He's asking for more than he's worth. Brisebois did a nice job of maximizing his earning potential here. Doesn't make it right, or a good thing. Does it? Overpaid is overpaid.  As I've said many times before, I have no problem with Théodore accepting a paycheque commensurate with his level of performance. If you want to consider pointing out that Théodore has not been delivering bang-per-buck since the 2001-02 season as bashing, that's no snow off my skate. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 17, 2005 23:24:32 GMT -5
Doesn't sound as if Koivu is planning to go anywhere. His plans were not to sign here this summer for the long term. That’s it. It’s up to you to see in this a desire to stay here. An apparently different attitude. Didn't Koivu just chose the shortest path to free agency? BTW, you're quoting Koivu talking about his contract negotiation while you're quoting Theodore talking about the CBA. Apple and Oranges. How about quoting Theo on his contract negotiation: Contrairement à Saku Koivu, il n’a pas voulu signer un contrat d’un an.
«J’espère encore que mon agent Don Meehan pourra en venir à une entente sur un contrat de longue durée avec le Canadien», nous a dit Théodore.
«Je suis déçu que les négociations avancent au ralenti, a-t-il ajouté. J’aurais aimé que ça se règle vite Suddenly it doesn't so bad now does it... So what? He's asking for more than he's worth. Brisebois did a nice job of maximizing his earning potential here. Doesn't make it right, or a good thing. Does it? Overpaid is overpaid. So what… Are you paying for it? Did Gillett appoint you as the Great Guardian of his wallett? Wouldn’t you rather have a top ranked goalie like Theo that makes a million more than he should than a mediocre one that makes a million less than he should.. Theodore has the leverage to make a lot of money what are you gonna do. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 17, 2005 23:36:59 GMT -5
His plans were not to sign here this summer for the long term. That’s it. It’s up to you to see in this a desire to stay here. I'll take that statement at face value. Koivu has always struck me as an honourable man. So what? He's asking for more than he's worth. Brisebois did a nice job of maximizing his earning potential here. Doesn't make it right, or a good thing. Does it? Overpaid is overpaid. What if he did? I hardly think Gainey would saddle the team with an underpaid mediocrity in nets. Do you? And I don't think he'll overpay Théodore. If he does, and Théodore doesn't deliver bang-per-buck, you'll hear about it—count on it. Whittle away that leverage as much as possible. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 17, 2005 23:43:57 GMT -5
I hardly think Gainey would saddle the team with an underpaid mediocrity in nets. Do you? No. I think he'll resign Theodore. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 17, 2005 23:48:02 GMT -5
I hardly think Gainey would saddle the team with an underpaid mediocrity in nets. Do you? No. I think he'll resign Theodore. For his QO of $4.56M, right? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 18, 2005 0:00:47 GMT -5
Didn't Koivu just chose the shortest path to free agency? He helped Gainey, and the team out by dealing with the situation efficiently and in short order. As he pointed out, negotiations on a long-term deal can begin in earnest as of January 1, 2006. A neat, clean, non-threatening piece of business. Very professional. Oranges and tangerines, more like. The CBA in large part is determining how contract negotiations proceed. Still comes across as a bit pouty, don't you think? Especially when he complains about how slowly negotiations are going—as if it's Gainey's fault that he isn't under contract right now. But that's allright, I've become somewhat accustomed to him passing the buck if things don't go his way. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 18, 2005 7:22:25 GMT -5
Still comes across as a bit pouty, don't you think? Especially when he complains about how slowly negotiations are going—as if it's Gainey's fault that he isn't under contract right now. But that's allright, I've become somewhat accustomed to him passing the buck if things don't go his way. ...he didn't blame Gainey for anything, didn't even mentioned his name in that sentence. He would have liked for things to be settled sooner, nothing wrong with saying that. |
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