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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 10:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 11:49:16 GMT -5
Why not? The guy's a head case in more than one sense of the expression. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 12:28:57 GMT -5
Why not? The guy's a head case in more than one sense of the expression. He's big, he can score and hit, and he's 29 (Fitzgerald is 35). Nearly 0.9 PPG. The headcase is LaViolette's problem. The increased firepower of the 'Canes becomes Julien's and Théodore's. |
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Post by Bob on Jul 29, 2004 15:07:05 GMT -5
He would be completely neutralized by Radek Bonk  |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 15:14:34 GMT -5
He would be completely neutralized by Radek Bonk And who would neutralize Eric Staal? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 15:18:07 GMT -5
He would be completely neutralized by Radek Bonk We might not even need to waste Bonk on him. Allison was neutralized for the last 2 seasons. 2002-03 26 games 2003-04 0 games One good hit either given or received and the insurance could very easily kick in again. If he's a risk Carolina wants to take, well, it's their money. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 29, 2004 15:26:01 GMT -5
One good hit either given or received and the insurance could very easily kick in again. If he's a risk Carolina wants to take, well, it's their money. I'm not sure that's really the case - contrary to popular belief, Allison didn't suffer a concussion. He suffered a whip-lash injury that resulted in a chemical imbalance in his brain, which caused concussion-like symptoms. So I don't know if he falls into the "concussions are cumulative" category, which would, could, maybe, imply that as long as the chemical imbalance remains corrected, he can play however he likes... I have no idea if the whip-lash injury he suffered makes him more prone to suffering another injury. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 15:29:10 GMT -5
We might not even need to waste Bonk on him. Allison was neutralized for the last 2 seasons. 2002-03 26 games 2003-04 0 games One good hit either given or received and the insurance could very easily kick in again. If he's a risk Carolina wants to take, well, it's their money. Do we really want to use our armchair neurology diplomas to form prognoses? Allison's case is clinically distinct from that of Lindros or Lafontaine, for example. He is not suffering from serial concussions. Rutherford must be reassured that he is medically cleared to play. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 15:40:31 GMT -5
Do we really want to use our armchair neurology diplomas to form prognoses? Can't speak for you, but I'm willing to use mine. But maybe that's because I got mine through a better mail-order house than you did. Jason Allison is just another in a long line of prominent stars that have succumbed to playing the frustrating waiting game. The Kings pivot suffered an apparent concussion last January and has not played since and it is unclear when and if he'll be able to play his next game. Allison's initial diagnosis was a concussion, which was later changed to whiplash. Regardless of the diagnosis, Allison still exhibited all the symptoms of a concussion: dizziness, nausea, depression, blurred vision, which can present themselves during the slightest effort at physical exertion. Fast-forward a year later and Allison's situation has become even more confusing and more frustrating. Allison's problems are no longer physical so much that they are now chemical. The chemical levels in his head condition him to continue experiencing all the same symptoms even though physically the doctors have all ruled him physically healthy. His brain thinks he's still hurt because he was in a certain state for such a long time. Think about it this way; if you were subjected to hear Celine Dion sing for one week straight and then the music was turned off, I'm sure your ears would be ringing for a few days afterward because the pain would be so vividly ingrained in your head. Poor Jason Allison. Subsequently because the doctors have ruled him clear to play it has created a rift between Allison and the Kings who also have Adam Deadmarsh sitting on the sidelines while he recovers from his own concussion related problems. - www.foursport.ca/Jan2_2004.htmSure, Allison has been cleared to play, but his head still doesn't believe that he's well. Maybe Rutherford is a desperate man, or a fool. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 15:56:35 GMT -5
Neurology is not my field of expertise. However, I have at least a passing acquaintance with the subject and have enough support from my personal library to recognize that your "authority" is a lay person. I would like to know whom or what this author consulted.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 29, 2004 16:00:22 GMT -5
Sure, Allison has been cleared to play, but his head still doesn't believe that he's well. Maybe Rutherford is a desperate man, or a fool. Well, he hasn't heard Celine Dion singing for over a month now, which is more than I can say... Doctors have cleared him to play, Allison says he is good to play, and he is symptom free, from a disorder that apparently should not re-occur. Doesn't sound all that foolish or desparate to me. Heck, if I thought we could deal Ribeiro for a decent 1st or 2nd line RW, I'd suggest Gainey make a pitch for Allison himself... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 16:17:31 GMT -5
But one player not on the ready-for-contact list was center Jason Allison, who did not skate Sunday for a second consecutive day. Murray hoped Allison would be ready to play after Christmas, a prediction that came after Allison had practiced with the team for more than a week. But Allison did not skate Saturday morning after putting on half his gear and also missed an appointment with team doctor Michael Mellman that night because of a headache. "I don't know what Jason's timetable is," Murray said. "I still don't understand what Jason's injury is totally. I don't know if anybody does. It's gone from one thing to the other thing. Every time I hear, it's a different diagnosis and so on. There isn't a doctor in North America that he hasn't seen. They've all said he's ready to play. But if he's not feeling right, he can't play." Allison has been out since Jan. 25 because of a whiplash injury. More recently, he has been diagnosed with accompanying post-traumatic migraine symptoms. "I'm not doubting him at all," Murray said. "It's just been so tough to put a handle on it. I just keep getting told different things that he has." - excerpted from here. An older source, but still... * So Jason says he's OK, eh? Jason is without a contract. If Rutherford believes him, well, it's still his money... Run away, run away, I say. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 16:48:32 GMT -5
Vague references to chemical disturbances and Celine Dion aren't particularly informative. This is chatter, not science.
I would like to know the names of the drugs Allison has taken and what their beneficial and adverse effects were.
Was he receiving anticonvulsives (drugs that Kotsitsyn, for example, would be using for focal lesions)? Their use would provide some inferences about the particular pathophysiology.
How about a selective 5-hydroxytriptamine (serotonin) agonist (a class of drugs commonly referred to as 'triptans') for migraine?
I would also like to know the types of cranial imaging used in the diagnostic workups and what they revealed. Are there arteriovenous anomalies? Narrowed small vessels?
I could go on and on with procedural questions used by physicians that could lead to a diagnosis and a prognosis, but this would be of little use to people who make one-size-fits-all generalizations about head cases.
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Post by Bob on Jul 29, 2004 16:50:26 GMT -5
And who would neutralize Eric Staal? Staal would have to neutralize Ribeiro  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2004 18:13:14 GMT -5
He's big, he can score and hit, and he's 29 (Fitzgerald is 35). Nearly 0.9 PPG. The headcase is LaViolette's problem. The increased firepower of the 'Canes becomes Julien's and Théodore's. Julien's and Theodore's what?  |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 18:28:24 GMT -5
Julien's and Theodore's what? Problem, of course. Allison, 6'3" amd 215 pounds, bulls his way past the Habs and shoots, leaving Ribeiro in his wake like road kill. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 18:28:55 GMT -5
Julien's and Theodore's what? Problem, of course. Allison, 6'3" and 215 pounds, bulls his way past the Habs and shoots, leaving Ribeiro in his wake like road kill. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 18:40:03 GMT -5
Problem, of course. Allison, 6'3" and 215 pounds, bulls his way past the Habs and shoots, leaving Ribeiro in his wake like road kill. Bull is the right word. Ribeiro is under contract. Allison is looking for one, and will be lucky to find a taker given his recent medical history. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 19:33:27 GMT -5
Bull is the right word. Ribeiro is under contract. Allison is looking for one, and will be lucky to find a taker given his recent medical history. You can thrust and parry all you want about who can do what on the ice or in the boardrooms, but you're over your head when you get into medical matters, particularly in subjects as knotty as this one is even to the experts. I respect your amazing range of knowledge in disparate areas. Not here, unfortunately. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 19:43:02 GMT -5
You can thrust and parry all you want about who can do what on the ice or in the boardrooms, but you're over your head when you get into medical matters, particularly in subjects as knotty as this one is even to the experts. I respect your amazing range of knowledge in disparate areas. Not here, unfortunately. Let's see who (if anyone) Allison signs with and for how much and (if he is signed) how effective he is and how long he lasts. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 19:52:05 GMT -5
Let's see who (if anyone) Allison signs with and for how much and (if he is signed) how effective he is and how long he lasts. The proof is in the melon. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 19:53:41 GMT -5
The proof is in the melon. It's possible he'll be a Carolina melon. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 20:06:59 GMT -5
It's possible he'll be a Carolina melon. A helmeted melon. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 29, 2004 20:09:44 GMT -5
On skates. Something Ribeiro could easily skate around. * Jason Allison: FLAWS: The lanky pivot has below-average skating ability. He could stand to shoot more and play a little more selfishly. - www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?0752 |
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Post by blaise on Jul 29, 2004 22:59:05 GMT -5
On skates. Something Ribeiro could easily skate around. * Jason Allison: FLAWS: The lanky pivot has below-average skating ability. He could stand to shoot more and play a little more selfishly. - www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?0752Ah, but when the puck is on the other blade he can skate through and over Ribeiro, who would resemble Wiley Coyote after one of his disasters. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 29, 2004 23:58:14 GMT -5
Vague references to chemical disturbances and Celine Dion aren't particularly informative. This is chatter, not science. Was he receiving anticonvulsives (drugs that Kotsitsyn, for example, would be using for focal lesions)? Their use would provide some inferences about the particular pathophysiology. How about a selective 5-hydroxytriptamine (serotonin) agonist (a class of drugs commonly referred to as 'triptans') for migraine? Yes, but what about his detumescence? How can he play, with that preying on his mind? Al, I'm just an old elephant. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 30, 2004 4:56:00 GMT -5
Yes, but what about his detumescence? How can he play, with that preying on his mind? Al, I'm just an old elephant. Down, boy... Hmmm, haven't had a word-of-the-week for a while... |
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Post by blaise on Jul 30, 2004 7:28:06 GMT -5
Yes, but what about his detumescence? How can he play, with that preying on his mind? Al, I'm just an old elephant. His protective gear will also prevent him from "spearing" his opponents if he takes certain anti-detumescent medications (e.g., Cialis). |
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Post by HFTO on Jul 30, 2004 16:52:08 GMT -5
Depending on what contract you could get Allisson is the type of risk I would jump all over.
IF's and buts are .......blah blah blah but if he is healthy ?I'd hate to have had the chance and passed especially if on the cheap.........speaking of helmuts just get him one of those double Riddell types those footballers wear.
HFTO
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 30, 2004 18:06:00 GMT -5
If I were a GM considering signing Allison I'd really be worried that if things don't go just so for him, those symptoms could stand a good chance of recurring.
But that's just me. I don't generally trust the motivations of millionaires.
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