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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 2, 2005 8:54:44 GMT -5
4 years, $16 million
Philly reported to have Hatcher and Rathje
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Post by blny on Aug 2, 2005 9:03:43 GMT -5
Philly gets Hatcher, Rathje, Therrien, and a forward
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 2, 2005 9:10:29 GMT -5
Philly gets Hatcher, Rathje, Therrien, and a forward If it's Kovalev I'm going to be very upset.... |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 2, 2005 9:12:16 GMT -5
GREAT, now Gainey is off the hook and he can pretend he is active in the FA market by getting a third rate defenseman.
I wonder if Traverse is a FA? I hear he's just the right price for Gainey.
Ahhh....don't worry people, were are going to be contenders with a quarter of the team filled with AHL'ers.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 2, 2005 9:14:10 GMT -5
Philly gets Hatcher, Rathje, Therrien, and a forward If it's Kovalev I'm going to be very upset.... Don't worry......Bob has got it under control. Read the interview where he said that 4 to 6 Dogs are ready for the NHL. Yup.... Is it snowing in Boston? |
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Post by blny on Aug 2, 2005 9:20:17 GMT -5
Philly gets Hatcher, Rathje, Therrien, and a forward If it's Kovalev I'm going to be very upset.... Now don't fly off the handle, but if I told you it was John Sim would you be able to contain yourself. ;D |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 2, 2005 9:24:41 GMT -5
If it's Kovalev I'm going to be very upset.... Don't worry......Bob has got it under control. Read the interview where he said that 4 to 6 Dogs are ready for the NHL. Yup.... Is it snowing in Boston? Don't make me nervous, HA. I'm beginning to have that sinking feeling, like getting stood up at the prom or being the last kid picked for teams (no, I have no personal experience in those areas). Still have yet to see any direct reference to Kovalev on either TSN, Philly.com or the Flyer message board on HF. |
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Post by blny on Aug 2, 2005 9:26:54 GMT -5
Read my post BH.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 2, 2005 9:38:04 GMT -5
Don't worry......Bob has got it under control. Read the interview where he said that 4 to 6 Dogs are ready for the NHL. Yup.... Is it snowing in Boston? Don't make me nervous, HA. I'm beginning to have that sinking feeling, like getting stood up at the prom or being the last kid picked for teams (no, I have no personal experience in those areas). Still have yet to see any direct reference to Kovalev on either TSN, Philly.com or the Flyer message board on HF. Why do you think that I started a thread yesterday hammering away. I EXPECTED Bob to snow us with "the kids". Four hours later, we get this..... "Gainey figures that "four to six" of the Bulldogs are ready for the NHL, not counting Komisarek" Four to six kids and Komi? Seriously? This is nothing but a freaken money saving nightmare. We are barely going to ice an NHL team, never mind a contender. It's snowing in Hab's land.......... |
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Post by mic on Aug 2, 2005 9:55:03 GMT -5
I do hope that Gainey has to free some cash for somebody else. That would explain his (appearant) lack of aggressivity on the free agent market, as tying up 4m$ a year is becoming quite a risk and makes it very difficult to sign other stars. Everybody talks about Lecavalier and I would love to see him in Montreal.
However, that must not shadow the fact that we are mediocre on the blueline and we can't look in Hamilton for some hope. Exept for Markov and sometimes Souray, our defensive corp is very average at best. Gainey knows that and said on some occasions. How will we complete our roster ? There is almost no quality d-man on the free agent market anymore (Niedermeyer won't sign with the Habs) exept one or two (Zhitnik ?). Bob will have to do some magic in trades. I like Doc's idea of a Ribs + for Lecavalier trade more and more. I would now add a Zednik or Ryder for a defensman (Brewer ?) proposal. New NHL or not, defense remains a primary concern.
Hatcher, Pitkanen, Markov, Desjardins, Rathje, Johnsson, Seidenberg, Therrien... Great job from Clarke.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 2, 2005 10:01:28 GMT -5
Market forces at play. Oh well.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 2, 2005 10:10:31 GMT -5
I do hope that Gainey has to free some cash for somebody else. That would explain his (appearant) lack of aggressivity on the free agent market, as tying up 4m$ a year is becoming quite a risk and makes it very difficult to sign other stars. Everybody talks about Lecavalier and I would love to see him in Montreal. However, that must not shadow the fact that we are mediocre on the blueline and we can't look in Hamilton for some hope. Exept for Markov and sometimes Souray, our defensive corp is very average at best. Gainey knows that and said on some occasions. How will we complete our roster ? There is almost no quality d-man on the free agent market anymore (Niedermeyer won't sign with the Habs) exept one or two (Zhitnik ?). Bob will have to do some magic in trades. I like Doc's idea of a Ribs + for Lecavalier trade more and more. I would now add a Zednik or Ryder for a defensman (Brewer ?) proposal. New NHL or not, defense remains a primary concern. Hatcher, Pitkanen, Markov, Desjardins, Rathje, Johnsson, Seidenberg, Therrien... Great job from Clarke. Personally I won't be devastated if we don't sign a big name dman. The bigger priority IMO is a scoring winger and I think we can get a 4-6 dman in a trade that isn't too costly. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Aug 2, 2005 12:29:31 GMT -5
Ahhh....don't worry people, were are going to be contenders with a quarter of the team filled with AHL'ers. I'm bummed about not getting Aucoin, but $4M a year is a price that even the Flyers balked at. I can see why you're frustrated HA, but as much as I want Gainey to improve the team with free agents, I don't want him to overpay for every guy that he targets. Aside from Ottawa, the teams in our division aren't in that much better shape... The Leafs don't have much talent after Sundin and O'Neill and have $10M to fill seven remaining spots... the Bruins are reportedly on the verge of signing Modano, but still have about 2/3 of their team incomplete... the Sabres have a roster full of youngsters and are about to lose Satan and Zhitnik... As much as I want Gainey to sign a big name, I want those players to actually want to play in Montreal. Aucoin, obviously didn't. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 2, 2005 12:39:19 GMT -5
Ahhh....don't worry people, were are going to be contenders with a quarter of the team filled with AHL'ers. I'm bummed about not getting Aucoin, but $4M a year is a price that even the Flyers balked at. I can see why you're frustrated HA, but as much as I want Gainey to improve the team with free agents, I don't want him to overpay for every guy that he targets. Aside from Ottawa, the teams in our division aren't in that much better shape... The Leafs don't have much talent after Sundin and O'Neill and have $10M to fill seven remaining spots... the Bruins are reportedly on the verge of signing Modano, but still have about 2/3 of their team incomplete... the Sabres have a roster full of youngsters and are about to lose Satan and Zhitnik... As much as I want Gainey to sign a big name, I want those players to actually want to play in Montreal. Aucoin, obviously didn't. Agree. Also, when you combine the lengths of the UFA d-man contracts with thewir new salaries... Let us not forget that the UFA age will be dropping yearly until it hits 27, and with the 7 year itch rule... For the Habs, a penny saved this year may well be a (premium) player earned. Why bump your head against the cap with 30-somethings, when players like Lecavalier are due to be available. Besides, not signing a D so far keeps my Forsberg fantasy alive. |
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Post by blny on Aug 2, 2005 12:54:42 GMT -5
It bugs me when people say a team isn't trying to land big fish just because they don't catch them. Who, besides the player, agent, and team, knows who contacted who and offered how much. Fact is, the players found markets and contracts they liked better. I, for one, wasn't too interested in paying Aucoin $4 million per. If Chicago wants to pay him that fine. If Adrian wants to languish in Chicago and have long off seasons to spend his money fine. It does seem that the going rate for blueliners has been set at $4 mill per though. Philly stocks up, but still has no goalie.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 2, 2005 12:57:30 GMT -5
It bugs me when people say a team isn't trying to land big fish just because they don't catch them. Who, besides the player, agent, and team, knows who contacted who and offered how much. Fact is, the players found markets and contracts they liked better. I, for one, wasn't too interested in paying Aucoin $4 million per. If Chicago wants to pay him that fine. If Adrian wants to languish in Chicago and have long off seasons to spend his money fine. It does seem that the going rate for blueliners has been set at $4 mill per though. Philly stocks up, but still has no goalie.  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 2, 2005 13:13:25 GMT -5
A lot of these early UFA signings seem to be a bit inflated price wise, so I am sure that Gainey had his offer and he also had a limit to what he was willing to pay...similar to his approach to Kovalev before he became a UFA. Some of the GM's are still up to their old habits.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Aug 2, 2005 13:15:44 GMT -5
It bugs me when people say a team isn't trying to land big fish just because they don't catch them. Who, besides the player, agent, and team, knows who contacted who and offered how much. Fact is, the players found markets and contracts they liked better. I, for one, wasn't too interested in paying Aucoin $4 million per. If Chicago wants to pay him that fine. If Adrian wants to languish in Chicago and have long off seasons to spend his money fine. Right on. Aw c'mon. Don't be so hard on him. He's not elite, but Robert Esche ain't that bad. |
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Post by Habit on Aug 2, 2005 13:20:18 GMT -5
$4M for Aucoin is WAY too uch. Glad BG didn't go that route. Aucoin is worth 2.5M - 3M at the best. I thought the days of the inflated salary were over. What happened to the 24% roll back?
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Post by Forum Ghost on Aug 2, 2005 13:28:59 GMT -5
$4M for Aucoin is WAY too uch. Glad BG didn't go that route. Aucoin is worth 2.5M - 3M at the best. I thought the days of the inflated salary were over. What happened to the 24% roll back? With so many players available, salaries have a good possibility of rising. I don't see it rising drastically, but even slightly overpaying for a player is still overypaying. Already, many people are saying that guys like Roberts, Nieuwendyk and Aucoin have been overpayed. Consider all the teams that missed the boat on Aucoin, Foote and Hatcher. They're now likely to overpay for a guy like Jason Wooley or Alexei Zhitnik just to compensate for missing out on the big names. If a team misses out on Kovalev or Palffy, it makes things a lot more interesting for guys like Miro Satan and Pavol Demitra. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 2, 2005 13:29:16 GMT -5
I thought the days of the inflated salary were over. What happened to the 24% roll back? Seems that there's some backwash. It's obviously Goodenow's fault. |
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Post by blny on Aug 2, 2005 13:34:10 GMT -5
It bugs me when people say a team isn't trying to land big fish just because they don't catch them. Who, besides the player, agent, and team, knows who contacted who and offered how much. Fact is, the players found markets and contracts they liked better. I, for one, wasn't too interested in paying Aucoin $4 million per. If Chicago wants to pay him that fine. If Adrian wants to languish in Chicago and have long off seasons to spend his money fine. Right on. Aw c'mon. Don't be so hard on him. He's not elite, but Robert Esche ain't that bad. They will NEVER win a Cup with Esche. If he proves me wrong, fine, but that's my gut feeling. I just don't think he's good enough, enough of the time. |
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