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Post by Forum Ghost on Sept 5, 2005 19:39:04 GMT -5
REPORT: DATSYUK SIGNS WITH RUSSIAN CLUBIt appears that Pavel Datsyuk meant it when he set a Monday deadline in his talks with the Red Wings. According to Reuters, the restricted free agent signed a one-year contract with Russian club Avangard Omsk today. The 27-year-old All-Star centre, who reportedly turned down a $5 million offer by Detroit was apparently looking for a deal of at least $6 million with the Red Wings. "I think I am worth at least what (Dany) Heatley or (Joe) Thornton got from their deals," Datsyuk told the Russian media.Datsyuk has a clause in his Avangard contract, allowing him to leave for the NHL midway through the season. * Unbelievable. A guy who's career high is 68 pts. and who has only played three NHL seasons, turns down $5M and is asking for $6M?? I don't know where he gets off comparing himself to Thornton (career high: 101 pts) or Dany Heatley (career high: 89 pts). I hope Detroit lets him rot. IMO he's worth no more than $3M.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 5, 2005 21:36:08 GMT -5
Ah, that's how Detroit is going to stay under the cap...say bye bye to your two pre-lockout $8M goalies and then don't resign your future star.
Seriously though, would $5M at this stage in his career not be more than fair compensation? Sure, he, Zetterberg and Kronwall likely represent a future young core for Detroit, but negotiations are not getting off on the right foot this season.
Avangard Omsk and the RSL won't be the same without all those NHL'ers; whereas, the NHL should gets lots of attention in its "first year back" under its new rules. Curious choice, young Pavel.
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 5, 2005 22:27:10 GMT -5
I agree it's quite rediculous for him to compare himself to Heately and Thornton. He's a very skilled player but I wouldn't put him in their class, and he certainly hasn't put up the numbers to justify even $5 million (compare his last season with Ryder's: 30-38, -2 in 75 games vs. 25-38, +10 in 81 games).
I wonder how much he'll be making in Omsk.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 5, 2005 23:49:19 GMT -5
He will punish Detroit by playing for Omsk for several hundred thousand.
And then these players wonder why we call them mercenaries....
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Post by Tattac on Sept 6, 2005 2:07:45 GMT -5
Unbelievable! By the way, has he ever scored in PO?
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Post by Rimmer on Sept 6, 2005 2:18:53 GMT -5
well, actually, it is believed that it's a multi-million dollar contract. anyway, here's an interview with his agent Gary Greenstin taken from /www.russianprospects.com: The State of Pavel Datsyuk-Detroit Red Wings Contract Negotiations
Author: Pavel Lysenkov and Dmitri Ponomarenko (Soviet Sport Newspaper)
Translated By: Alexei Belousenko & Evgeny Belashchenko
How are contract negotiations with Detroit going?
G. Greenstin: We understand that because of the lockout clubs have to work in the player market on a very compressed timeline. We know that there is a salary cap and that Datsyuk can not win anything by himself. Yes, Detroit is a legendary club and there are great players there. However, I would like to highlight the fact that Holland works for Red Wings’ good, and I work for Datsyuk’s. We aren’t going to back down from our proposed contract structure that I prepared for Pavel (he fully agreed to it). Holland already got our proposal and made a step towards us. If earlier Detroit persisted on a five-year agreement, now the club agrees to sign either a one or a three year agreement instead. But one year won’t work for us, because Datsyuk will become an unrestricted free agent in two years. What’s the logic behind this agreement? So we could go to the arbitration court next year. No, this is not for Pavel. Though, it’s clear that it would be the path of least resistance to request an adequate salary through the arbitration next year. I would then provide all documents, and the NHLPA’s lawyers would secure the appropriate amount of money for Datsyuk that he deserves. So, we almost agreed with Detroit regarding the duration of the agreement. Now we have to resolve the financial part. I sent two variants of a contract to the club, if one of them is accepted, than we’d shake hands and be in agreement.
Will Detroit announce their decision by September 1st?
G. Greenstin: One of my rules in negotiations is not to drive an opponent into dead-end. I am insistent on this date, but I told the club that September 5th is the Super League’s deadline for clubs to declare their official rosters to the League. If the Red Wings are unable to sign a contract with Datsyuk by then, than we would have to postpone the negotiations with Detroit until next spring.--full article--regardless of what his asking for, this can be viewed as a way to put more pressure on Holland, but it can also be viewed as an insurance for Datsyuk if negotiations break down. Kovalchuk did the same thing by signing with Khimik. both contracts have escape clauses. R. |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 6, 2005 7:43:48 GMT -5
Its all about market value. It doesn't matter if we don't think Datsyuk is worth $6 million, if the owner of Avaangard Omsk thinks he is, then that's what he is worth.
As last year showed, Omsk isn't shy about throwing money around. Why would Datsyuk come play in North America for less money, when he can stay at home and make (assumedly) the same or more? How does that make him a mercenary?
Who amongst us would go to a foreign land, into a different culture and language, away from our family and friends, to take less money and pay more taxes?
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Post by Tattac on Sept 6, 2005 7:52:34 GMT -5
Its all about market value. It doesn't matter if we don't think Datsyuk is worth $6 million, if the owner of Avaangard Omsk thinks he is, then that's what he is worth. The rumors are the owner of Avangard Omsk thinks he is worth $ 3 mil. It doesn't change the rest of your post though. The next question is whether the owner of Detroit Red Wings thinks he is worth $ 6 mil. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 6, 2005 8:57:15 GMT -5
Its all about market value. It doesn't matter if we don't think Datsyuk is worth $6 million, if the owner of Avaangard Omsk thinks he is, then that's what he is worth. As last year showed, Omsk isn't shy about throwing money around. Why would Datsyuk come play in North America for less money, when he can stay at home and make (assumedly) the same or more? How does that make him a mercenary? Who amongst us would go to a foreign land, into a different culture and language, away from our family and friends, to take less money and pay more taxes? If he stayed in Russia from day one and REFUSED to play for the Wings then no one can call him a mercenary. But this is not the case. He is holding out for MORE MONEY and the ONLY reason he is "threatening" to play in Russia is as a means of extorting the amount MONEY he wants. If that is not a mercenary mentality then I am Cinderella. Some of these players are just NOT getting it. There is just so much money in the kitty and throwing hissy fits wont change anything. And one more thing..... Only in his agents imagination he is equal to Thorny. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 6, 2005 9:36:26 GMT -5
And Théodore thinks he's worth $16M over 3 seasons. Ah, those wacky hockey players. Go figure.
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Post by PTH on Sept 6, 2005 21:15:50 GMT -5
What would've been fun is to see a GM sign Datsyuk for 1 season (what Detroit probably doesn't want, since it just get him to arbitration) and force Detroit to match - or lose him for not all that much compensation (a 1st rounder or 2 for a high-level player? I'd do it).
Soon GMs will learn to play dirty. Like make him an offer that would put Detroit over the cap, thereby forcing them to let him go.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 7, 2005 0:48:03 GMT -5
From what I'd seen of Datsyuk lately, he might soon be a franchise player. That's the toughest call for a GM. The player on the brink. Could be a superstar, or just a very good player. Which will it be....which will it be?
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Post by mic on Sept 7, 2005 2:12:59 GMT -5
I'm sure Ken Holland loves this new CBA.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 7, 2005 6:43:50 GMT -5
Why dont they sign and trade him for some young players, I'm sure there are teams out there that will have no problem taking him off Detroit's hands for 6 mil.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 7, 2005 19:05:37 GMT -5
D'ats a yuck!
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Post by Forum Ghost on Sept 7, 2005 19:56:52 GMT -5
Unbelievable! By the way, has he ever scored in PO? Datsyuk's playoff stats: GP G A Pts 37 3 9 12 I could understand his demands if he was a proven playoff performer, but 12pts in 37 games is not worth $6M... it's not even worth the $5M that Holland reportedly offered. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Sept 7, 2005 20:02:24 GMT -5
The rumors are the owner of Avangard Omsk thinks he is worth $ 3 mil. It doesn't change the rest of your post though. The next question is whether the owner of Detroit Red Wings thinks he is worth $ 6 mil. Seems like the clubs in Russia seem to think that Datsyuk is indeed worth the $6M that he is commanding. Datsyuk, according to reports out of Russia, signed a one-year deal worth up to $6 million with Avangard Omsk of the Russian Super League but Dynamo Moscow matched Avangard's offer Wednesday to bring the 27-year-old back to the Moscow club where Datsyuk played during the lockout. |
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