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Post by Polarice on Sept 13, 2005 11:12:57 GMT -5
CODE is saying Montreal & Detroit are talking about Montreal acquiring Datsyuk. Apparently Detroit wants Koivu in return.
I'm not to keen in trading away Koivu.
Their stats are similar 68 points for Dats, 55 for Koivu.
Koivu played 6 or 7 less games.
Dats is only 3 years younger, they are close to the same size.
I don't really see an advantage to spending a couple more million for a few more points.
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Post by franko on Sept 13, 2005 11:24:32 GMT -5
1. No cap room (need breathing space, "just in case").
2. We have enough guys already who are overpaid ("bang for the buck").
NO! But I don't think Mr. Gainey needs to hear my voice on this one (not that he'd listen anyway).
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Post by clear observer on Sept 13, 2005 12:41:41 GMT -5
If true...I do this deal in a heart-beat.
CO
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 13, 2005 13:31:09 GMT -5
Koivu is less likely to stay at home to play in Finland, and he is a virtual certainty not to be playing in Russia.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 13, 2005 13:54:31 GMT -5
On ice production; the nod goes to Dat's a uyck! Age and dependability; Dat's a Yuck.
Character, leadership and unselfishness team contribution, Koivu by a mile.
Advantage Koivu.
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Post by clear observer on Sept 13, 2005 15:37:32 GMT -5
On ice production; the nod goes to Dat's a uyck! Age and dependability; Dat's a Yuck. Character, leadership and unselfishness team contribution, Koivu by a mile. I'd need at least 2 miles not to pull the trigger on this one. I love our captain, but not enough to let a deal like this go. |
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Post by habfan74 on Sept 13, 2005 18:02:35 GMT -5
I agree with C. O. on this, Dats is going to be a one of the best Offensive players in the NHL if not now. It took koivu 8 seasons to hit 71 pts. Dats got 68 on his 3rd season. But of course Detroit has a better team. But I'd hate to give up the heart of the team for offense, too bad they wouldn't take Ribs and draft pick.
Can u imagine having Dats and Kovalev on the same line.
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Post by clear observer on Sept 13, 2005 18:09:37 GMT -5
Can u imagine having Dats and Kovalev on the same line. Uh huh, uh huh, uh huh! |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 13, 2005 18:30:09 GMT -5
Oh the vultures rumours that circle around this team?
Wasn't Datsyuk asking for 5-6 million from Detroit? So by my math that means we subtract Koivu's 3.42 million dollar contract and add Datsyuk at 5 million? Where pray-tell are we coming up with that extra 1.58 million when we are already at around 37.5 million in salaries now? Is Datssyuk suddenly going to give us the Walmart rollback savings price, but not Detroit?
I'd love for it to be true, but it isn't, and I would argue that Detroit wouldn't want a 3.42 million dollar player in return until I see how close theyare to the cap. They have to be close to let Datsyuk sit.
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Post by clear observer on Sept 13, 2005 18:36:15 GMT -5
Oh the vultures rumours that circle around this team? Wasn't Datsyuk asking for 5-6 million from Detroit? So by my math that means we subtract Koivu's 3.42 million dollar contract and add Datsyuk at 5 million? Where pray-tell are we coming up with that extra 1.58 million when we are already at around 37.5 million in salaries now? Is Datssyuk suddenly going to give us the Walmart rollback savings price, but not Detroit? I'd love for it to be true, but it isn't, and I would argue that Detroit wouldn't want a 3.42 million dollar player in return until I see how close theyare to the cap. They have to be close to let Datsyuk sit. Absolutely...not for a minute do I believe a trade like this coming to fruition...but again, if offered to me, I'd take it and run and the hell with the cap. CO |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 13, 2005 23:44:05 GMT -5
Oh the vultures rumours that circle around this team? Wasn't Datsyuk asking for 5-6 million from Detroit? So by my math that means we subtract Koivu's 3.42 million dollar contract and add Datsyuk at 5 million? Where pray-tell are we coming up with that extra 1.58 million when we are already at around 37.5 million in salaries now? Is Datssyuk suddenly going to give us the Walmart rollback savings price, but not Detroit? I'd love for it to be true, but it isn't, and I would argue that Detroit wouldn't want a 3.42 million dollar player in return until I see how close theyare to the cap. They have to be close to let Datsyuk sit. We complained about Ryder holding out for $1M. We complained that Theo was holding the team for ransom. Dat's a yuck is still unsigned at $5-6M and threatening to return to Europe. Koivu is the penultimate captain, prodding his teamates to improve for the team, playing two way hockey and leading by example. He makes everybody around him better. His shot has abandoned him and most of his points are assists, but I would pick up Saku's stick from the pile to play on my team before Pavel every time. Dat's a yuck is approaching the star status, but he isn't there yet. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 14, 2005 5:36:45 GMT -5
Oh the vultures rumours that circle around this team? Wasn't Datsyuk asking for 5-6 million from Detroit? So by my math that means we subtract Koivu's 3.42 million dollar contract and add Datsyuk at 5 million? Where pray-tell are we coming up with that extra 1.58 million when we are already at around 37.5 million in salaries now? Is Datssyuk suddenly going to give us the Walmart rollback savings price, but not Detroit? I'd love for it to be true, but it isn't, and I would argue that Detroit wouldn't want a 3.42 million dollar player in return until I see how close theyare to the cap. They have to be close to let Datsyuk sit. I don't think anyone here belives that this trade will come about. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 14, 2005 7:25:12 GMT -5
Absolutely...not for a minute do I believe a trade like this coming to fruition...but again, if offered to me, I'd take it and run and the hell with the cap. CO ...well now it's your turn to speak my mind... We can't lose in a trade like that. You turn a UFA to be into a young superstar... I don't care about the CAP or if Datsyuk doesn't own a great personality, on an asset management level it would be brilliant. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2005 10:32:35 GMT -5
While it wrenches my heart out of my chest to lose Koivu, the cold, brutal reasoning side of me says to forge Holland's signature if you have to.
And that, folks, is why it's just an opium pipe dream. Holland is not Milbury, or Fergie Jr, (or even Feaster....Pitkanen for Fedotenko...yeesh)
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Post by TheHabsfan on Sept 14, 2005 10:52:31 GMT -5
While I don't doubt that Gainey is interested in talking about Dats, I don't think anything will come of it.
While Dats is a talented player, we would be giving up an intangeable in Koivu....leadership. Give Koivu a full year with a star like Kovalev and see how many points he can get before trading him off for headache who overvalues himself...
my 2 cents...
THF
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Post by Forum Ghost on Sept 14, 2005 12:10:30 GMT -5
If both players were earning the same amount of money then I would do the deal in a heartbeat. But seeing how Datsyuk wants almost double what Koivu earns, makes me not want to do the deal just for the fact that the Habs run into all sorts of cap trouble. Also, Datsyuk is not even worth $6M. He's oozing talent but it's very premature to throw around that kind of money to someone who is still unproven.
Datsyuk is more talented than Koivu, no doubt. But he's proving to be a huge headache at a very young age. Team chemistry is another thing to look at. Would we want to give up our captain for someone who is so greedy and selfish?
Now having said that... picturing Datsyuk and Kovalev on the same line is making me drool all over my keyboard.
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Post by blny on Sept 14, 2005 15:09:47 GMT -5
I'll say keep Saku. I'm not denying Pavel's talent, but let's give Saku a season with Kovalev. Saku isn't the goal scorer that Pavel is, but he's at least as good a playmaker. Let's see who has the most points at the end of the season. Then compare, and factor in Saku's leadership qualities.
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Post by franko on Sept 14, 2005 17:55:33 GMT -5
This year, $ because of the cap.
Last year, $ because of the owner.
Datsyuk is not a six million dollar man! At least not yet.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 14, 2005 17:59:46 GMT -5
This year, $ because of the cap. Last year, $ because of the owner. Datsyuk is not a six million dollar man! At least not yet. Neither is Lecavalier, but what can you do? |
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Post by franko on Sept 14, 2005 18:43:13 GMT -5
Datsyuk is not a six million dollar man! At least not yet. Neither is Lecavalier, but what can you do? And neither of them are wearing the tri-colour; nor will they at their asking prices, it seems. The colour of money trumps the bleu-blanc-rouge. |
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Post by habfan74 on Sept 15, 2005 10:29:29 GMT -5
If I were GM I would do it. With the shootout deciding tied games it would be great having Dats making the opposing goalies look like 80 year old women being on skates for the first time.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 15, 2005 20:58:36 GMT -5
It's a good thing that hockey isn't a democracy where a majority of fans can pull a trade like Koivu for Dat's a yuck. Go Gainey you dictator.
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Post by HFTO on Sept 18, 2005 21:30:45 GMT -5
Although I'm not impressed with Datsyuk contract negotiations,You'd have to be fool not to do this deal,no matter how much it hurts.
My gut tells me if not this deal Koivu's days are numbered hear,why I don't know I just get that feeling.
HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 19, 2005 7:00:51 GMT -5
Although I'm not impressed with Datsyuk contract negotiations,You'd have to be fool not to do this deal,no matter how much it hurts. My gut tells me if not this deal Koivu's days are numbered hear,why I don't know I just get that feeling. HFTO To me it's like trading in your wife for Paris Hilton. Younger, taller, looks better, more talent but how would you feel about the trade in 12 months. Character counts. You have to live with your choices 24 hours a day, not just for one hour 82 days a year. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 19, 2005 7:08:25 GMT -5
Although I'm not impressed with Datsyuk contract negotiations,You'd have to be fool not to do this deal,no matter how much it hurts. My gut tells me if not this deal Koivu's days are numbered hear,why I don't know I just get that feeling. HFTO Just an update on the dats for Koivu, talks are still taking place with Det. As for Koivu's days being numbered, I would have to agree. It seems that Gainey has been trying to trade him all summer. Why? Who knows? |
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Post by blny on Sept 19, 2005 8:08:13 GMT -5
Who is this "CODE"? Is it a reputable source? I just can't see BG acquiring a player holding out for $6 million. Saku is under contract for this year at $3.45 or thereabouts. Even if Pavel agrees to something less than $6 million, we're still looking at a large increase in payroll. If he could be had for what AK and JT are getting, perhaps. But, three players making $4.5 this year is a big ask.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 19, 2005 8:33:45 GMT -5
Who is this "CODE"? Is it a reputable source? I just can't see BG acquiring a player holding out for $6 million. Saku is under contract for this year at $3.45 or thereabouts. Even if Pavel agrees to something less than $6 million, we're still looking at a large increase in payroll. If he could be had for what AK and JT are getting, perhaps. But, three players making $4.5 this year is a big ask. I don't know who he is, I only know that he is "an insider" of some sort. Rumour has it that he works at a Sport Agency of some sort. Also just lately you have to be a paying member to get any of his inside info which it really dosen't matter to me because we email each other when he gets any hab news. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 19, 2005 13:20:12 GMT -5
Who is this "CODE"? Is it a reputable source? I just can't see BG acquiring a player holding out for $6 million. Saku is under contract for this year at $3.45 or thereabouts. Even if Pavel agrees to something less than $6 million, we're still looking at a large increase in payroll. If he could be had for what AK and JT are getting, perhaps. But, three players making $4.5 this year is a big ask. I don't know who is is, I only know that he is "an insider" of some sort. Rumour has it that he works at a Sport Agency of some sort. Also just lately you have to be a paying member to get any of his inside info which it really dosen't matter to me because we email each other when he gets any hab news. Rumors like this can't do much good for Saku. We love you captain, but we're trying to dump you. I don't think Gainey is behind these rumors. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 19, 2005 14:12:11 GMT -5
I don't know who is is, I only know that he is "an insider" of some sort. Rumour has it that he works at a Sport Agency of some sort. Also just lately you have to be a paying member to get any of his inside info which it really dosen't matter to me because we email each other when he gets any hab news. Rumors like this can't do much good for Saku. We love you captain, but we're trying to dump you. I don't think Gainey is behind these rumors. Just dug a little deeper and the only reasoning out there is that Ganiey was a bit upset with Koivu for not wanting to sign a long term contract. Maybe he feels that if Koivu wants to test the market next year, then he can do it at some other teams expense. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 19, 2005 14:21:32 GMT -5
Who is this "CODE"? Is it a reputable source? I have a couple of problems with these sources. First of all, this is the internet and people can say what they want and pretend to know all sorts of things. The other problem I have is different. Even if these people are legitimate and have inside info, why do they feel the need to share it? It almost sounds as if they are betraying a trust. |
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