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Post by CentreHice on Apr 3, 2006 22:45:59 GMT -5
You go, Lindy!!! Listen to these post-game comments from Ruff: eod.liquidviewer.com/wgr-od/...060403_ruff.wmaGrier nailed Tucker with a clean hit. Tucker couldn't take it...so he goes for Hecht who was back in his first game in a while. He went for Hecht's head and went knee-on-knee with him at the same time. Hecht went back at Tucker and good ol' Darcy dove. Guess what? Hecht got a high-sticking penalty....Tucker got nothing. Hecht is one of Buffalo's best players...now it looks as if he's gone for weeks. Leafs scored to tie it at 2-2 one second after the penalty expired. It'll be interesting to see what the League does....take action against Tucker? They'll certainly fine Ruff.....another joke! Tucker went for Kovalev's head too, just before Alex took care of it himself because the refs allowed Tucker to run amok. Again, the officials turn a blind eye to Tucker tonight. I can't figure it out. Hopefully, Ruff gets his way. |
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Post by roke on Apr 4, 2006 1:10:07 GMT -5
I haven't seen the hit yet so I'm trying to reserve judgement but with Ruff so... upset and Tucker being Tucker it's difficult.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 4, 2006 6:30:20 GMT -5
I'll be surprised if the league gives him more than one game if any suspension at all.
Here are a few things to ponder.
1) A couple seasons ago the NHL mandated they would post the names of players who they considered divers. The only player I can remember who made it to that list was Tucker. And yet he still gets away with it.
2) Earlier this year, Tucker takes off the helmet of a player and whacks him twice with it. He got no suspension. Artyukin did practically the exact same thing and gets suspended.
3) Twice this year Tucker has received an instigator penalty in the last five minutes of the game and both times he did not get the "automatic" one game suspension.
4) Depending on who you want to believe, there was a media report out of Montreal (Jack Todd?) that accused Tucker of going for Kovalev's knees on the play prior to Kovalev creaming him.
So this Hecht incident is not an isolated incident and yet the NHL will say "there has not been a history of supplementary punishment involving Tucker this year". And he will either get away with it and continue doing it, or get one game. Ruff is totally right when he says Tucker is a joke, and the officiating is a joke ... I just wish he would have said that the NHL is a joke for always protecting Toronto players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2006 7:43:50 GMT -5
That was a massive rant. I don't blame him a bit; I just wish he was a bit nastier.  |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Apr 4, 2006 8:40:33 GMT -5
You know, coming from Ruff, it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black! He used to have some of the dirties players at his disposal...and he used them...Varada comes to mind!
However, he has a right to blast Tucker. Tucker is one of the dirtiest players in the game. He can't take a hit. To take a page out of Hitchcock's book...one day, someone will make him eat his lunch! He goes after Kovy then after Hecht...two fo the best players on respective teams....it's pretty obvious what he's doing. The league has to do something about him, if not, the next game (april 16, I think) will be a must watch!
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Post by TheHabsfan on Apr 4, 2006 8:42:35 GMT -5
You go, Lindy!!! Listen to these post-game comments from Ruff: eod.liquidviewer.com/wgr-od/...060403_ruff.wmaGrier nailed Tucker with a clean hit. Tucker couldn't take it...so he goes for Hecht who was back in his first game in a while. He went for Hecht's head and went knee-on-knee with him at the same time. Hecht went back at Tucker and good ol' Darcy dove. Guess what? Hecht got a high-sticking penalty....Tucker got nothing. Hecht is one of Buffalo's best players...now it looks as if he's gone for weeks. Leafs scored to tie it at 2-2 one second after the penalty expired. It'll be interesting to see what the League does....take action against Tucker? They'll certainly fine Ruff.....another joke! Tucker went for Kovalev's head too, just before Alex took care of it himself because the refs allowed Tucker to run amok. Again, the officials turn a blind eye to Tucker tonight. I can't figure it out. Hopefully, Ruff gets his way. CH,... your link doesn't work!  THF |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 4, 2006 9:17:38 GMT -5
CH,... your link doesn't work! THF It worked last night when I posted it.....maybe it's dead now. It's the audio of the video clip they've been showing on all the sports shows last night and today. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2006 16:25:26 GMT -5
Tucker gets no suspension. Unbelieveable.
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Post by Andrew on Apr 4, 2006 17:03:37 GMT -5
I wish I could say it was unbelievable. Tucker, however, has avoided suspension twice this year in games where he's fought in the last 5 minutes. It was also no big deal when he used a helmet to punch a guy during a fight. It'll also be of no surprise when Tucker gets wheeled off the ice on a stretcher before his career is done. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 4, 2006 21:40:30 GMT -5
Hecht is out for two weeks with a knee sprain. Tucker says, "It's part of hockey....some people don't like certain things that happen."
It's this kind of thing that germinates the Steve Moore incident. He didn't get a penalty for going after Naslund either. Hockey players know best. You'd think Colin Campbell would know better, having played in the NHL.
Tucker also pointed to his head after the play as if to say, "I'm smarter than you....."
The refs and the league blew it again.
Leafs' Lunch began today with the Ruff clip....then host Jeff Marek asked Bill Watters: "Well, Billy....what do you think...does Lindy Ruff have a case?"
Watters: "You saw the video, Jeffy. What else is there to say? He went for the head, he went for the knee, he took a dive afterwards...and both refs missed it all, except for Hecht's penalty. You know me, I'm a big Tucker supporter, but Lindy Ruff is right about this one. Darcy plays the game tough, but he stepped over the line. I'm thinking 5 games."
Marek: "5 games?"
Watters: "If Briere gets two games for a whack on Leetch's glove....what do you think, Jeffy?"
When it was announced that the league wasn't going to suspend or even fine Tucker, Marek was completely astonished, "Oh man, did Tucker ever get away with one there."
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Post by Andrew on Apr 5, 2006 1:15:26 GMT -5
On TSN's sportscenter tonight they lead into the story with:
"It didn't look like much, and if it weren't for Lindy Ruff's reaction no one would have though anything of it"
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Post by Skilly on Apr 5, 2006 6:58:12 GMT -5
It is like Ruff said ... "Hecht should have stayed down, rolled around on the ice and had his trainer come out and call for the stretcher" .
I'll be interested in what Don "I flap my gums and sing the Leaf praises" Cherry has to say about this? A European who is obviously injured gets up and takes matters into his own hands (ala a Canadian), does not flop around like he has been shot (ala the way they are taught in soccer), takes an obviously dirty hit from one of Gumbags favourite players and there is no punishment for Darcy Dirty Tucker F- - - er.
In an incident that was basically the same Brendan Witt gets suspended, albeit only one game. There was two difference in both incidences.
1) Brendan Witt did not try to elbow the guy in the head, he delivered a dangerous knee-on-knee hit. Tucker went for the head and knee.
2) Brendan Witt's victim required help off the ice, Hecht made he own way to the bench.
The NHL supplementary punishment is a joke. In my mind the NHL offices should not be in Toronto (or any NHL city) and the supplementary punishment should be handled by an obviously impartial person. Can Colin Campbell be considered impartial when the Leafs are constantly escaping punishment?
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Post by Polarice on Apr 5, 2006 7:28:35 GMT -5
Just like what (I can't believe I agreeing with this guy) Healey was saying when that Boston Guy went knee-on-knee with Ryder and there was no call, and Souray went over and pummeled him because there was no call.
The players have their own justice system and when Buffalo and the Leafs play again in a couple of weeks, I would not be surprised if Tucker is not dressed for the game, because something will indeed happen if he dose play.
I can see another Bert moment coming where this time someone who actually deserves to be taken out will be.
Tucker last memories of playing will be looking up at the ceiling while he is being carried off on a stretcher.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 8:50:30 GMT -5
Just like what (I can't believe I agreeing with this guy) Healey was saying when that Boston Guy went knee-on-knee with Ryder and there was no call, and Souray went over and pummeled him because there was no call. The players have their own justice system and when Buffalo and the Leafs play again in a couple of weeks, I would not be surprised if Tucker is not dressed for the game, because something will indeed happen if he dose play. I can see another Bert moment coming where this time someone who actually deserves to be taken out will be. Tucker last memories of playing will be looking up at the ceiling while he is being carried off on a stretcher. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.I've been to a game in Buffalo and those fans are rabid. The build-up to April 16th will be huge. Tucker will dress because I'll bet the farm that both Colin Campbell and Gary Bettman will be in attendance. My question: Why? No harm, no foul, right boys? If they're worried about frontier justice (a la Bert-Moore) then they should have got it right and sent a repeat offender like Tucker away for at least 3 games. Hockey hit? Are they out of their minds? Tucker received a hockey hit...couldn't take it....then went headhunting which has NOTHING to do with hockey. Does the following passage ring a bell: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "On December 12, 1933, during the second period of a Leafs' visit to Boston Garden, Eddie Shore was checked hard by Leafs defenseman King Clancy while Shore was rushing the puck into the Leafs' end. As play moved back into Boston territory, Shore, dazed by the hit and full of vengeance, skated wildly toward Bailey, thinking that he was charging Clancy. Shore used his stick to trip Bailey heavily from behind and Ace fell to the ice with a sickening thud. He lost consciousness and began bleeding from the head. Red Horner skated over to the stricken Bailey and, seeing his teammate seriously injured, asked Shore in no uncertain terms just what he'd been thinking. Shore just smiled, prompting a furious Horner to deck him with one punch, knocking him unconscious to the ice." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bailey, with a fractured skull and convulsive episodes, nearly died and his career was over. That is NOT part of hockey in my books. This "full of vengeance" crap should be called what it is: psychotic snapping. Some players are like that...even in beer leagues. They can't take a clean hit, getting beaten to the outside, losing....whatever. So they snap psychotically. Eddie Shore on Ace Bailey, Dale Hunter on Pierre Turgeon, Gary Suter on Paul Kariya, and Darcy Tucker on anyone it seems. The biggest risk in allowing Tucker to continue to play is not that someone will take him out...but that he really will end someone's career with his carte blanche. |
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Post by HabSolute on Apr 5, 2006 9:19:18 GMT -5
Some players are like that...even in beer leagues. They can't take a clean hit, getting beaten to the outside, losing....whatever. So they snap psychotically. Eddie Shore on Ace Bailey, Dale Hunter on Pierre Turgeon, Gary Suter on Paul Kariya, and Darcy Tucker on anyone it seems. Ron Hextall on Chris Chelios.... remember that one ? |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 10:21:29 GMT -5
Some players are like that...even in beer leagues. They can't take a clean hit, getting beaten to the outside, losing....whatever. So they snap psychotically. Eddie Shore on Ace Bailey, Dale Hunter on Pierre Turgeon, Gary Suter on Paul Kariya, and Darcy Tucker on anyone it seems. Ron Hextall on Chris Chelios.... remember that one ? Yep...89 semi-finals...he got 12 games for that. His slash on Kent Nilsson in Game 4 of the 87 Finals got him an 8-game suspension...the play wasn't reviewed or suspension administered til after Game 7. He also won the Conn Smythe that year. That was bizarre. If that had happened today, he'd be gone after Game 4. Unless, of course, he was a Toronto goalie....which is moot anyway.....Game 4 of the Finals? Toronto? ;D |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 11:27:33 GMT -5
Just watched Sportsnet's report on the Tucker fiasco.... Lindy Ruff: Maybe Hecht should have laid on the ice and rolled around..... Mike Grier: We'll definitely remember it. Now that we play each other 8 times, there's a rivalry there. Tucker: It was a hockey hit. McCabe: It's blown out of proportion...especially by you guys (media). It was a nothing play. It wasn't from behind or anything. I don't even remember it. Wonder why we hate the Leafs.......  I saw the replay again....and both Tucker's gloves were up and going for Hecht's head. If that isn't one of the most obvious attempts at a head shot, I don't know what is. Then they replayed Tucker's low-bridge hit on Peca in 02....his elbow attempt on Kovalev....he actually grazed him, as Kovy reached for his face right after it. Colin Campbell should be ashamed of himself. Then again it's hard to see clearly when your head's up MLSE's corporate arse. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2006 13:52:39 GMT -5
"All I know is that Tucker will be golfing while we're going to the playoffs," Briere.
I'm paraphrasing, here.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 15:15:17 GMT -5
From today's Toronto Star. I guarantee Campbell and Bettman are in attendance now.
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Tucker scoffs at Ruff's rant
Leaf: Hit on Hecht 'a nothing play'
But Sabres coach is still fuming
Apr. 5, 2006. 01:00 AM
KEN CAMPBELL
SPORTS REPORTER
As was the case when his low hit knocked Michael Peca out of the playoffs four years ago, Darcy Tucker is once again pleading innocence and the judge and jury has agreed with him.
The league reviewed Tucker's hit on Jochen Hecht of the Buffalo Sabres Monday night and deemed that Tucker would not face any supplementary discipline, which means he'll be in the lineup tonight when the Leafs host the New York Islanders.
Hecht will be out of the Sabres lineup for at least two weeks with a sprained left knee, meaning that by the time he returns for the playoffs, the Leafs' season will almost certainly be over.
Tucker dismissed the hit as "a nothing play," and that Sabres coach Lindy Ruff was responsible for creating a controversy with his post-game comments Monday night in which he vociferously called for Tucker to be fined and suspended.
"It happens 35 times in a season that you run into a guy and get hurt," Tucker said. "It's nothing. It's one guy's comments.
"It's exactly the reaction (Ruff) wanted — for you (media) guys to come in here today and make this a big deal."
Tucker hit Hecht in the third period in response to being decked by what looked like a legal check from Mike Grier. Tucker retaliated by going after Hecht and brushed Hecht's chin with his elbow while their knees collided.
Ruff was still livid when he spoke after practice yesterday, saying that the league seemingly ignored that Tucker had every intention of injuring Hecht. He was particularly upset that Hecht was penalized for high-sticking Tucker — and the Leafs scored on the ensuing power play — saying the call on Hecht was made only because Tucker dived.
"Intentional blows to the head were deemed something that (the league) wanted to take care of," Ruff said. "Maybe Jochen needed to be knocked out. Maybe he needed to lay down on the ice and get carried off, then that's a suspension. I can slow it down and I can show you an elbow that makes contact with the chin and I can show a knee that a foot turns out and goes knee-on-knee.
"And if you're going to go after the guy's head, I would think (Tucker) is upset enough to stick his leg out or know where his leg is going.
"He just got a free ride on the whole play," Ruff said. "I can't explain it and nobody's going to be able to explain it to me."
Tucker said he wasn't about to get into a war of words with Ruff, but expressed dismay at the fact that Ruff had so publicly complained about the hit.
"You didn't see me crying or complaining when (Alexei) Kovalev elbowed me in the head," Tucker said. "It's part of hockey. Things like that happen and you know what? To complain and get upset about those things, I find it hard to believe."
The league generally only makes a formal announcement when there is supplementary discipline. Phone calls to director of hockey operations Colin Campbell and vice-president, hockey operations Mike Murphy were not returned yesterday.
The Leafs play the Sabres one more time this season, on Easter Sunday in Buffalo. Tucker said that if there is a rude reception waiting for him at the HSBC Arena, he'll be prepared to deal with it.
"I'm going to show up in Buffalo and play the game," he said. "I always look out for my own battles. If there are things that come up within the game that they don't like, obviously I'll stick up for myself.
"I don't need anybody else to stick up for me. I'll fight my own battles — that's the way I've always been."
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 16:38:48 GMT -5
My last post on this matter:
I actually heard an argument today on the radio saying that Tucker doesn't dive....it's just that he's smaller and therefore goes down easier.
Another argument: he plays with grit and heart and emotion...and sometimes he crosses the line.
Now that's not just spin-doctoring...that's spin surgery.
Gotta wonder what Leafs' fans/the NHL would be saying if J.P. Dumont brushed Sundin's face with the elbow and took him out for two weeks with a knee sprain. Dumont would have at least a 3-game unpaid vacation.
How many of these dirty, cheapshot players exist now? I'm talking about punk instigators like Tucker....not the tough guys who clean things up. Matthew Barnaby used to do crap like this, perhaps he still does. Kasparaitis for sure. McCabe's in that camp too IMO. Gary Roberts was outright maniacal when he played for the Leafs, and hardly ever got called for it. Travis Green (ex-Leaf) can be a punk too.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 5, 2006 19:40:02 GMT -5
Add Sean Avery to your list.
I almost choked on my candy-cane reading "you didn't hear me complain when Kovalev elbowed me". Well there are so many things wrong with that statement.
1) Kovalev did not elbow him. He gave him a forearm across his chest.
2) Tucker elbowed Kovalev before Kovalev did anything to him.
3) Tucker tried to go knee-on-knee with Kovalev
4) He would be laughed out of the league if he thought about complaining about a hit from Kovalev. "Oh that great scrapper, that mean guy Kovalev he gave me a boo-boo" .... at the next union meeting I can just see all the "tough guys" pointing and laughing at him.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 5, 2006 21:16:51 GMT -5
And of course, Tucker gets two goals tonight in a 3-2 win over the Islanders.
1st star, no less!
Incredible. Lindy Ruff is right....it's a joke.
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Post by Polarice on Apr 6, 2006 7:13:09 GMT -5
This just in....on TSN last night Bob Mackenzie was saying Colin Campbell could be up for the GM job in Toronto!!! Man, no wonder the Leafs can do no wrong, he's a Freaking homer!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2006 8:42:54 GMT -5
1) Kovalev did not elbow him. He gave him a forearm across his chest. Actually, if you check the replay, it was an elbow to the face. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 6, 2006 9:44:56 GMT -5
This just in....on TSN last night Bob Mackenzie was saying Colin Campbell could be up for the GM job in Toronto!!! Man, no wonder the Leafs can do no wrong, he's a Freaking homer!! If that's not an obvious conflict nothing is. Campbell should address this publicly or resign now! OTOH, good news for the rest of us - the leafs hiring a GM with no experience. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 6, 2006 10:32:54 GMT -5
This just in....on TSN last night Bob Mackenzie was saying Colin Campbell could be up for the GM job in Toronto!!! Won't even have to move his office. Another frugal move by MLSE. |
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Post by HabSolute on Apr 6, 2006 10:44:22 GMT -5
This just in....on TSN last night Bob Mackenzie was saying Colin Campbell could be up for the GM job in Toronto!!! Man, no wonder the Leafs can do no wrong, he's a Freaking homer!! Took the words right out of my mouth.... What's he going to do, bite the hand that might be feeding him next year ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2006 10:45:07 GMT -5
This just in....on TSN last night Bob Mackenzie was saying Colin Campbell could be up for the GM job in Toronto!!! Won't even have to move his office. Another frugal move by MLSE. You know, I don't want to believe that the league is intentionally giving free passes to the Leafs (no suspensions, biased officiating), but this is just too damn suspicious. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 6, 2006 12:09:19 GMT -5
Campbell's office is likely in New York....I'm just being facetious.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 6, 2006 19:36:05 GMT -5
1) Kovalev did not elbow him. He gave him a forearm across his chest. Actually, if you check the replay, it was an elbow to the face.  [/quote] I am going to have to disagree with you. Basic physics. Look at Kovalev's elbow in the picture, it is below Tucker's chin. Are you saying Kovalev swung down with his elbow??? It is obvious he tucked his elbow in and the impact against Tucker's chest pushed his head out and under the forearm, as is clearly shown in the picture. If Kovalev elbowed him then his elbow would be either on his face at the moment in the picture or ABOVE his head after impact. You tell me how a player's elbow gets below the head at or after impact and I will show you how you defied Newton's second law of physics!!! |
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