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Post by habmeister on Apr 25, 2006 16:32:03 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 25, 2006 17:00:22 GMT -5
Just read that too. I find it kind of odd though. The Nucks had some very key injuries to several of their defencemen.
The article said that no replacement has been nominated as yet. Hey, Pat Quinn is looking for work .... and he knows Vancouver ....
Naaaa .... well .... maybe ....
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Post by Pam on Apr 25, 2006 17:29:27 GMT -5
Just read that too. I find it kind of odd though. The Nucks had some very key injuries to several of their defencemen. The article said that no replacement has been nominated as yet. Hey, Pat Quinn is looking for work .... and he knows Vancouver .... Naaaa .... well .... maybe .... I've been reading the rumblings of Crawford being fired. I don't know if that's the media just getting things wrong again, or if it might be happening. If it happens, I don't want him in Toronto. I lost any respect I had for him and the entire Canucks organization after that Bertuzzi incident. I don't think Todd would have ever done what he did if Crawford and the entire organization hadn't egged Todd on. I don't want anyone that eggs on a player to violence coaching my team. We have enough trouble now as it is. When the Leafs signed Quinn, I was still visiting lots of hockey forums. I'm sure you remember when were were all on CF's Forums. Well, Canucks fans wished us their condolences and said we would be sorry Quinn was on the Leafs. Being out in California, I saw more of Quinn than I wanted. I wasn't a happy camper when the Leafs signed him as headcoach. I almost had a meltdown when they made him GM/Coach. Quinn was always outcoached in the Playoffs (when they made it) and he was an absolutely terrible GM. He catered to the has beens and never has beens and he traded for some really terrible players. Steve Sullivan was good and he's excelled on both he Hawks and Preds, but Quinn didn't like smaller players even if they were better than larger players, so we lost Sullivan for nothing. He's famous for keeping boneheads like Belak, Berg, Domi and a zillion other has beens in the lineup and benching good players to play the boneheads and only playing good rookies when he was forced to. I feel sorry for the Canucks fans if Vancouver is dumb enough to take him back. There has to be a reason he's never won a Cup with any team he's run. That reason is the has beens and washed up veterans he's loyal to. I'm glad Quinn's gone!! I wanted him gone 4 years ago. This offseason and next season will show whether or not Ferguson is a good GM. If Ferguson is just a frontman for someone else, my hope is that they eventually get a real GM. I'm just hoping they replace Quinn with a QUALITY Coach. Oh yeah, Ley's gone too!! ;D I think my dead grandmother could teach defense better than Ley could. What the Leafs really need to do is get rid of that bozo Peddie. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 25, 2006 17:42:09 GMT -5
Just read that too. I find it kind of odd though. The Nucks had some very key injuries to several of their defencemen. The article said that no replacement has been nominated as yet. Hey, Pat Quinn is looking for work .... and he knows Vancouver .... Naaaa .... well .... maybe .... I've been reading the rumblings of Crawford being fired. I don't know if that's the media just getting things wrong again, or if it might be happening. If it happens, I don't want him in Toronto. I lost any respect I had for him and the entire Canucks organization after that Bertuzzi incident. I don't think Todd would have ever done what he did if Crawford and the entire organization hadn't egged Todd on. I don't want anyone that eggs on a player to violence coaching my team. We have enough trouble now as it is. When the Leafs signed Quinn, I was still visiting lots of hockey forums. I'm sure you remember when were were all on CF's Forums. Well, Canucks fans wished us their condolences and said we would be sorry Quinn was on the Leafs. Being out in California, I saw more of Quinn than I wanted. I wasn't a happy camper when the Leafs signed him as headcoach. I almost had a meltdown when they made him GM/Coach. Quinn was always outcoached in the Playoffs (when they made it) and he was an absolutely terrible GM. He catered to the has beens and never has beens and he traded for some really terrible players. Steve Sullivan was good and he's excelled on both he Hawks and Preds, but Quinn didn't like smaller players even if they were better than larger players, so we lost Sullivan for nothing. He's famous for keeping boneheads like Belak, Berg, Domi and a zillion other has beens in the lineup and benching good players to play the boneheads and only playing good rookies when he was forced to. I feel sorry for the Canucks fans if Vancouver is dumb enough to take him back. There has to be a reason he's never won a Cup with any team he's run. That reason is the has beens and washed up veterans he's loyal to. I'm glad Quinn's gone!! I wanted him gone 4 years ago. This offseason and next season will show whether or not Ferguson is a good GM. If Ferguson is just a frontman for someone else, my hope is that they eventually get a real GM. I'm just hoping they replace Quinn with a QUALITY Coach. Oh yeah, Ley's gone too!! ;D I think my dead grandmother could teach defense better than Ley could. What the Leafs really need to do is get rid of that bozo Peddie. Hi Pam, Good to see you checking in. I think this is more than media rumblings now. It's being reported by SLAM! Sports as well now. slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Vancouver/2006/04/25/1550159-cp.htmlThe coach always seems to be the guy who is the first to be fired. Crawford is no different. However, with as many injuries as he had to his defence corps it's really hard to blame him. His GM gave him some veteran d-men at the trading deadline, but they never really fit in with the team. However, it would have been hard fitting them in anyway since the team lacked chemistry to begin with. The early skinny has former Habs bench boss, Alain Vigneault, and ... yes ... are you sitting down .... PAT QUINN .... as the early frontrunners for the head coaching job. Have a good one. Cheers. |
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Post by Pam on Apr 25, 2006 18:20:05 GMT -5
Life sort of got in the way and I wasn't straying far from my forum. I have very rarely posted on any other forum other than mine in the last 4 years. But I never forgot my friends on HabsRus even if I wasn't here.
Yeah I have been hearing the rumblings that Pat Quinn was being considered. I feel sorry for the Canucks fans if they get him back. In a couple of years they will be whining about him just like we have been the last few years.
Yep, the Coach is always blamed even if it isn't his fault. That's how Darryl Sutter got the ax in San Jose and how Andy Murray got the ax in Los Angeles. In LA's case it was the players not playing and the huge amount of player injuries. In SJ it was because Lombardi took until December 2002 to resign 6 key players and the players not putting out. In some cases it is the coaches fault, but not in all cases. In some cases it's the GM's fault, but not in all cases. In some cases it's because ownership sticks their nose in it when they don't have a flying fig's idea how to run a team (LA), or they have a Pres that is a bozo (T.O.)
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Post by Pam on Apr 25, 2006 18:27:03 GMT -5
Dis, I think they updated the article from when you posted it to me and when I finally read the article just now. I saw the last few days about the rumblings and now it's official. He's fired.
These are a couple of paragraphs from the official firing from the Slam article:
Nonis said Crawford's firing will put more pressure on the players.
"I think there's a lot of blame to be spread around and I think a lot of that falls on the shoulders of those in that room," said Nonis.
Maybe I should go to a Canucks forum and give them my condolences if Quinn is hired by them again.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 25, 2006 19:13:39 GMT -5
And I wouldn't be surprised if Crawford ends up in Toronto over Paul Maurice.
Just a hunch.
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Post by franko on Apr 25, 2006 21:09:04 GMT -5
Rumblings:
Crawford to Toronto; Vigneault to Vancouver.
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Post by Pam on Apr 26, 2006 1:15:49 GMT -5
And I wouldn't be surprised if Crawford ends up in Toronto over Paul Maurice. Just a hunch. I REALLY hope you are wrong. We (on my forum) don't want Crawford. Q has a better playoff record with the Leafs than Crawford does with the Canucks. With that being the case, it would be better to have Q remain in T.O. and I didn't want Q either. Maurice took the Canes deeper than Q ever did the Leafs, so he might be the best one at least until someone better becomes available. If Maurice was the coach and the Leafs made it OUT of the Conference Finals I would be a happy camper because that would be more than Q did for us. Still, it might be interesting to see what would happen if Q and C traded teams to see which one of them does the best with their new team. |
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Post by Polarice on Apr 26, 2006 6:26:06 GMT -5
Rumour has it that if Philly goes out in the first round, Hitch will be fired and Crawford would take over in Philly, which Hitchcock would take over in Vancouver.
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Post by franko on Apr 26, 2006 6:53:19 GMT -5
Rumour has it that if Philly goes out in the first round, Hitch will be fired and Crawford would take over in Philly, which Hitchcock would take over in Vancouver. And the coaching merry-go-round continues. Once you're in you're in for life. Unless you are Ted Nolan, who has made his way back up to the "Q". Meanwhile, MT has three more years guaranteed in Pittsburg. |
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Post by MC Habber on Apr 26, 2006 12:07:47 GMT -5
Crawford's not a bad coach, but this is long overdue IMO. He's never been able to get any kind of consistency from the Canucks and their team defense has always been lousy. Too many bad decisions and playoff failures - I would have fired him after the previous season, if not before.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 26, 2006 12:21:10 GMT -5
Also interesting to note is how everbody (and I include myself) were impressed with the Nucks trade limit acquisitions but what little positive impact is actually had. Which really goes to show that, if at the trade deadline you're looking to make a big improvement on your team, chances are you should not have waited that long to begin with...
Not sure what to think of Crawford's firing as I definitely don't follow the Nucks much but I don't think he's responsible for the lack of good goaltending on this team, the incredible injury bug that ruined his D corp and the circus that follows Bertuzzi in that uniform. Nonnis sacrificed a good coach to distract the attention from his own sloppy job IMO.
BTW, Hi PAM ! Glad to see you're still around!
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Post by franko on Apr 26, 2006 12:58:28 GMT -5
Not sure what to think of Crawford's firing as I definitely don't follow the Nucks much but I don't think he's responsible for the lack of good goaltending on this team, the incredible injury bug that ruined his D corp and the circus that follows Bertuzzi in that uniform. Nonnis sacrificed a good coach to distract the attention from his own sloppy job IMO. Crawford is definitely the sacrificial lamb . . . but isn't that what coaches are hired for -- to take the fall for upper management (see: NYI; Boston Bruins). |
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Post by Pam on Apr 26, 2006 15:16:28 GMT -5
BTW, Hi PAM ! Glad to see you're still around! Hi Doc. Yeah I'm still around. Thanks.  I've actually missed talking with all of you, but as I said..... |
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Post by Pam on Apr 26, 2006 15:18:53 GMT -5
Not sure what to think of Crawford's firing as I definitely don't follow the Nucks much but I don't think he's responsible for the lack of good goaltending on this team, the incredible injury bug that ruined his D corp and the circus that follows Bertuzzi in that uniform. Nonnis sacrificed a good coach to distract the attention from his own sloppy job IMO. Crawford is definitely the sacrificial lamb . . . but isn't that what coaches are hired for -- to take the fall for upper management (see: NYI; Boston Bruins). Yes. All one has to do is look at Andy Murray, Darryl Sutter (in San Jose), etc., to know they are always the sacrifical lambs. Upper Management always has a story but it isn't always the coach. Sometimes its the players and sometimes it's upper management themselves. |
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I've actually missed talking with all of you, but as I said.....