The insanity continues in Long Island

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machabby said:

Gagne already signed with the Flyers.

Yes and Clarke waited until after his prize RFA was signed before tendering an offer sheet for another team's RFA - if I ever meet Bobby Clarke in person I hope I am wearing running shoes as I might do something to him that would necessitate running away....

[blny]

He played a dirty brand of hockey. What else would you expect from his style of managing? He's proven more times than not to be be self-serving and lacking class.

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blny said:

He played a dirty brand of hockey. What else would you expect from his style of managing? He's proven more times than not to be be self-serving and lacking class.

Yup.

I really wonder how he and Gainey are close friends? They seem completely opposite of each other.

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skilly said:

Not sure when Wang purchased the team ... but for all Milbury's bad moves he did get some return on his investments. Yashin is/was a good player

But would you trade Chara and Spezza for him?

Dipietro was touted as the next franchise goalie (and the Isles had no goalie), and the Habs have past on their fair share of players in drafts (every team has).

The Isles did have a goalie. His name was Roberto Luongo. They traded Luongo on draft day and then selected Dipietro. Which goalie would you rather have?

And yes, the Habs have passed on their fair share of good players in the draft, but doing it with a pick in the 10-20 range is different than messing up with the 1st overall pick.

[Skilly]

forumghost2 said:

But would you trade Chara and Spezza for him?

Chara maybe ... but not Spezza based on what we know now. But back when the deal occured I might have. Yashin was a known quantity, a player who played well in the regular season and had problems with playoffs ..... the Isles were looking for someone to get them to the playoffs. Milbury didnt have a crystal ball.

Would you have traded Nieuwendyk for Iginla? Many would have and it worked out for Gainey .... but based on what we know now it looks like it was a bad trade, but it wasn't.

The Isles did have a goalie. His name was Roberto Luongo. They traded Luongo on draft day and then selected Dipietro. Which goalie would you rather have?

Neither goalie has done anything. Luongo is better again based on what we now know ... but back then the Isles management must have evaluated Dipietro higher. PLus I haven't heard of Dipietro complaining about his contract everday like Roberto .. Luongo would have been gone from Long Island by now if he stayed. But yes I would rather Luongo in hindsight.

And yes, the Habs have passed on their fair share of good players in the draft, but doing it with a pick in the 10-20 range is different than messing up with the 1st overall pick.

In recent history. But Wickeheiser (1st) over Denis Savard (3rd)? Turner Stevenson (12th) before Keith Tkachuk (19th). We also drafted Mark Hunter (7th) before Grant Fuhr (8th) and Al MacInnis (15th). And Jason Ward (11th)over Marian Hossa. (12th)

Yes most are late in the first round such as Eric Chouinard (16th) over Simon Gagne(22)? Brent Bilodeau (17th) before Glen Murray (18th). But my personal favourite screw up was Terry Ryan (8th) before Jerome Iginla (11th).

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skilly said:

But back when the deal occured I might have. Yashin was a known quantity, a player who played well in the regular season and had problems with playoffs ..... the Isles were looking for someone to get them to the playoffs. Milbury didnt have a crystal ball.

No GM does, but that's when scouting and player evaluation skills come in to play. Based on Milbury's trades, he seriously lacks in both categories.

Would you have traded Nieuwendyk for Iginla? Many would have and it worked out for Gainey .... but based on what we know now it looks like it was a bad trade, but it wasn't.

But Gainey was right. He knew what he was doing and that's why he's a better GM than Milbury.

Neither goalie has done anything. Luongo is better again based on what we now know ... but back then the Isles management must have evaluated Dipietro higher.

Again that goes back to scouting and player evaluation. The Isles thought that Dipietro would be better, but even at the time, most people thought that Luongo had a much higher upside.

Neither goalie has won anything major yet, but Luongo's name is usually mentioned in the same sentence as the Vezina. Can't say the same about Dipietro.

In recent history. But Wickeheiser (1st) over Denis Savard (3rd)? Turner Stevenson (12th) before Keith Tkachuk (19th). We also drafted Mark Hunter (7th) before Grant Fuhr (8th) and Al MacInnis (15th). And Jason Ward (11th)over Marian Hossa. (12th)

Yes most are late in the first round such as Eric Chouinard (16th) over Simon Gagne(22)? Brent Bilodeau (17th) before Glen Murray (18th). But my personal favourite screw up was Terry Ryan (8th) before Jerome Iginla (11th).

I was talking about screwing up the 1st overall pick. And although the Wickenheiser mistake qualifies, I was referring more to recent drafts (ie. in the last ten years). That's why I didn't bring up Wickenheiser in the first place.

Going back to Milbury... taking Dipietro was a risk at #1. Players like Heatley and Gaborik were more highly touted even back then. Milbury took a gamble and, as usual, his gamble was wrong.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Next step, Wang will be signed as a goaltender replacement for the retired Snow. Wang gets Snow to offer him a 25 year contract at $15 million per year, guaranteed. The team will buckle under the salary weight and lack of winning. Wang sells the team and keeps his contract (smart man).
Sounds like a Snow Job!
In the words of Don King, "Only in America!"

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skilly said:

forumghost2 said:

But would you trade Chara and Spezza for him?

Chara maybe ... but not Spezza based on what we know now. But back when the deal occured I might have. Yashin was a known quantity, a player who played well in the regular season and had problems with playoffs ..... the Isles were looking for someone to get them to the playoffs. Milbury didnt have a crystal ball.

Would you have traded Nieuwendyk for Iginla? Many would have and it worked out for Gainey .... but based on what we know now it looks like it was a bad trade, but it wasn't.



Neither goalie has done anything. Luongo is better again based on what we now know ... but back then the Isles management must have evaluated Dipietro higher. PLus I haven't heard of Dipietro complaining about his contract everday like Roberto .. Luongo would have been gone from Long Island by now if he stayed. But yes I would rather Luongo in hindsight.

And yes, the Habs have passed on their fair share of good players in the draft, but doing it with a pick in the 10-20 range is different than messing up with the 1st overall pick.

In recent history. But Wickeheiser (1st) over Denis Savard (3rd)? Turner Stevenson (12th) before Keith Tkachuk (19th). We also drafted Mark Hunter (7th) before Grant Fuhr (8th) and Al MacInnis (15th). And Jason Ward (11th)over Marian Hossa. (12th)

Yes most are late in the first round such as Eric Chouinard (16th) over Simon Gagne(22)? Brent Bilodeau (17th) before Glen Murray (18th). But my personal favourite screw up was Terry Ryan (8th) before Jerome Iginla (11th).

Yashin was a cancer in Ottawa. He contributed nothing sitting out a year, holding out and getting his mother a government directors job for tax purposes. Trade him or get nothing. They got a bundle and the Islanders got stuck with a liability.
Milbury didn't have a crystal ball or any balls! He was worse than Houle! There, I've said it! Somebody is worse than Houle. And now the Islanders have yes man Snow. Somebody may be worse than Milbury.